OpenStreetMap Note Activities of vectorial8192 for the last 12 Months
Overall Activities | 12 Months
Opened: 280 (18%) Commented: 745 (47%) Closed: 493 (31%) Reopened: 60 (4%)
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5424871
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic (where is it?) Note: scheduled for opening in October.
2~ 13 hours agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190617566 . I believe this is the last Family Medicine Clinic to be mapped in urban area. Looking back, I generally feel bad to have accidentally started some sort of map quest, but in terms of exploration and Public Good™, it's still arguably worth it. Would recommend, only if you really have the energy and effort to see it to the end. Closing.
5544825
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 18 days agoopenedmarcolibrary
♦9
Unable to answer "这条人行横道两端有触觉铺装吗?" – 有號誌的行人穿越道 – https://osm.org/node/3141194073 via StreetComplete 63.4: One side only
2~ 1 day agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We have "=partial" (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tactile_paving ) but that doesn't specify which side has tactiles. While we review existing documentation, do you know which side has tactile paving and which side does not?
3~ 1 day agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
1. For the status quo, I prefer adding `sidewalk:left:tactile_paving=yes` + `sidewalk:right:tactile_paving=no` 2. North https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HK_HV_跑馬地_Happy_Valley_黃泥涌道_Wong_Nai_Chung_Road_Shan_Kwong_Road_July_2020_SS2_03.jpg
4~ 15 hours agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
An agent suggested having separate kerbs with tactile_pacing = yes/no. This seems significantly more manageable.
5~ 15 hours agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190613700 ; closing.
5296571
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: bridge has bollard separation; draw as two ways
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
There are no bus relations here, which is nice. One challenge is to align this correctly along the hillside.
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Actually, if we also check the nearby roads, then the changeset would also involve bus relations.
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We will start with the physical separation itself, with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185268030
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It seems there are blocking issues that I am entirely unable to deduce/guess.
6~ 7 days agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
I see this mapping has largely been improved. The discussions about `bridge=` can happen elsewhere. Closing.
7~ 5 days agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
8~ 5 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The bridge issue indeed concludes itself. Not closeable yet. The scheduled next step is to confirm that the bus relations are not ruined due to the changes. Holding open until (hopefully quick) inspection of related bus relations reveal no changeset-caused problems. Given that it was me who started work on this note, it makes sense for me to see it to completion, which I haven't done so yet.
9~ 3 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I think @Patrickov has already done that?
10~ 15 hours agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It sounds grand, but it's just a quick visual inspection in iD to ensure nothing is broken.
11~ 15 hours agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Visual inspection: no broken bus relations. Closing.
5575090
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 days agoopened1F616EMO
♦9
Here should be a platform_exit_only for all routes, and the two platforms ahead should both be platform_entry_only.
2~ 18 hours agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Questionable. It seems when traffic is light, shuttles may just reach the proper position and do standard boarding/alighting. Standard (franchised) buses may perform alighting outside of the proper position when not for "Alighting Stop" (similar to here), but we do not mark those positions as platform_exit_only. Similar arguments may apply here. We may see if the "light traffic" hypothesis is correct.
5583304
Category: Unknown
1~ 19 hours agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/33412221 was closed due to construction works. Now that construction has completed, is this now open for usage?
2~ 17 hours agocommented1F616EMO
♦9
I did not see any construction signs earlier today when I visit the segment between node/2386574557 and node/378038282, between Pommerenke and CC Chapel.
3~ 16 hours agoclosed1F616EMO
♦9
5566899
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 days agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I think there is a charging station here?
2~ 3 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Future reference: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=22.320344873045016&lng=114.20624455633003&z=19.9&pKey=2688531754897558&focus=photo&x=0.3666195147661605&y=0.7311911627040021&zoom=1.0002068871324479
3~ 22 hours agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190591256 ; closing.
5508504
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 1 month agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
"In Kwun Tong https://www.flowerdeliveryhongkong.com" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI name: Flower Delivery Hong Kong POI types: shop-florist #organicmaps ios 2026.09.05-5-ios
2~ 1 day agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Two parts: make a new node at Kwun Tong, and then clean up here.
3~ 1 day agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
New node placed https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190552010
4~ 1 day agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Indoor shop space is generally unstable, so we just delete it https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190552070
5~ 1 day agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
All done; closing.
5351891
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
concern: messy hotels (nodes)
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The concern is primarily on the 3 nodes: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13138061902 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5301835321 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13138066901 Online info suggests that there is one "Kingland Apartments" building which then contains several guesthouses, much like how Chungking Mansions etc work. This "Kingland Apartments" has the address right about here.
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Note that Chungking Mansions https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/39315991 is currently tagged as: - commercial landuse - retail building - apartment-style residences
4~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, this turns out to be another Chungking-style building. There are a lot of guesthouses listed here.
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We will start with the building itself, done by https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185996585 . Exact guesthouse list, they will be checked / typed in at a later date.
6~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
There are 16 levels * 8 slices = 128 units. Hopefully there are enough space for all of them.
7~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
With a closer look, among these 128 slots, some are unoccupied/unlisted, while some are merged together,, so it's not too bad after all. There should be enough space. Do it by parts I guess.
8~ 1 day agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
1/F to 4/F https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190551718
5540564
Category: Unknown
1~ 20 days agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Situation: Edit War @kingkingHK is unable to accept that a small segment of Sha Tin Road is highway=secondary . The main issue is that there is a small section of Sha Tin Road that provides access to IVE (Sha Tin). This does not satisfy the community consensus that roads of motorway class (entering) must only reach the motorway and nowhere else.
2~ 15 days agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
We can discuss at changeset discussion. No need for a note.
3~ 6 days agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 6 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Well, the existence of an edit war does justify an open note, at least until the situation is actually resolved. Closing the note without really addressing the allegation of edit war does not sound like "situation resolved".
5~ 6 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Note isn't for discussion. Linking to the changeset in `note=` on them is enough.
6~ 3 days agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Purposes of notes aside, pragmatically, basically no one reviews notes in HK other than us (me vectorial kovoschiz). When we all know about this ongoing conflict, creating a note does not seem have any purpose.
7~ 2 days agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
8~ 2 days agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
9~ 1 day agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
10~ 1 day agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This does not seem like a "resolved situation" to me.
11~ 1 day agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
But does it warrant a note??????????? What benefit does this note bring????????????????????????????
5476355
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopened---Tam Wing Fan Innovation Center is opposite this building
2~ 5 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I believe we generally do not map university internal facilities. Closing.
3~ 4 days agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
4~ 4 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Publicly accessible, publicly joinable, and public interest ones are fine. This is a prominent facility.
5~ 2 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Alright, we can try to figure out HKU access rights and then perhaps do this note.
5567814
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 5 days agoopenedmarcolibrary
♦9
Unable to answer "它在建筑物内部吗?" – 自動外置式心臟去纖顫器 – https://osm.org/node/9051018281 via StreetComplete 63.4: 在戶外,市民可直接拿取的位置
2~ 2 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190535692 ; closing.
4922350
Category: unknown
1~ 1 year agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo: review / update Lee Garden Eight
2~ 1 year agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Could you please elaborate on what needs reviewing/updating?
3~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
eg, old demolished buildings from 2019 still exists here, and we can kinda see the shapes of new future buildings from satellite images, and also to determine what exactly will be built here (e.g. new district court?)
4~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
* as in exists in the OSM map data
5~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
A very trivial first step to make progress in this note and also to declutter the data in the area is to delete the demolished buildings, which is done in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184008897 .
6~ 2 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The objective of this note was to really look at what was supposed to be happening here. The motivation was the confusion caused by past buildings intersecting with future buildings. By survey, this site is near completion. We may then give this back to the general stream, so we no longer need a note to track this. Closing.
5434515
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedRobin J
♦3
"Restaurant is now closed and occupied by Corks wine bar" OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI name: 曼谷食堂 Bangkok Canteen POI types: amenity-restaurant cuisine-thai #organicmaps android 2026.07.23-6-Google
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We are eventually led to the page https://inline.app/booking/-NvUr_9Yso5kLiFC505r:inline-live-3?language=en , which agrees with this note.
3~ 2 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190534967 ; closing.
5034438
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic (it seems OSM doesn't have this?)
2~ 2 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190534902 ; closing.
8611051~ 9 years agoopenedBattlealvin2009There should be a footway in this area.
2~ 1 year agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct, feature exists IRL.
3~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
May you clarify how this footway is aligned? eg connects Stadium Path to somewhere else?
4~ 1 year agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Sorry for the uninformative comment earlier - honestly I'm not sure either, there's a very twisty and turny stair starting from the south-west end of Stadium Path, and most of it is behind a locked gate (slope maintenance path iirc), making it harder to survey. Also I'm pretty sure there's a whole unmapped footway network in this area that's much more extensive than the one I was talking about. Another factor is that I was simply tired on the day I surveyed this and didn't want to climb steps. Re-survey recommended.
5~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Well understandable; if it's a slope maintenance path, might as well pretend it doesn't exist at the moment. It wouldn't affect general map usage.
6~ 9 months agoclosedbpaz709394
7~ 9 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
8~ 9 months agocommentedkmpoppe
♦3,729
This note was part of a mass-closure without any comment. It was subsequently reopened, as it's unclear if the problem mentioned still persists.
9~ 2 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, we do have a staircase here, but indeed it quickly leads to a slope maintenance path. We will just do simple and finish.
10~ 2 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190534630 ; closing.
5544783
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 18 days agoopenedmarcolibrary
♦9
Unable to answer "这条街有人行道吗?" – 桂芳街 Kwai Fong Street (住宅區道路) – https://osm.org/way/735263716 via StreetComplete 63.4: 兩旁有行人路
2~ 2 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Collectively resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190534506 ; closing.
5544781
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 18 days agoopenedmarcolibrary
♦9
Unable to answer "这条街有人行道吗?" – 梅馨街 Mui Hing Street (住宅區道路) – https://osm.org/way/85485968 via StreetComplete 63.4: 兩旁有行人路
2~ 2 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Collectively resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190534506 ; closing.
5544752
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 18 days agoopenedmarcolibrary
♦9
Unable to answer "这条街有人行道吗?" – 藍塘道 Blue Pool Road (住宅區道路) – https://osm.org/way/149397180 via StreetComplete 63.4: 兩旁有行人路
2~ 2 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190515119 ; closing.
5501354
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedlzy030513
♦0
Relatively spacious area, transportation hub, with some conflicts between pedestrians and vehicles (lack of barrier measures), and no facilities for rest and relaxation
2~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
No, you are supposed to wait in the lounge inside Times Square
3~ 2 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
So, what are we supposed to do here (in terms of OSM mapping)?
5058584
Category: Unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Should Tai Hang Sai Estate still retain landuse=residential? afaik judicial processes are withholding reconstruction, which means this estate is technically still inhabitable.
2~ 10 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Have they not lost all the cases?
3~ 10 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This is the part which I am out of the loop. The verdicts and the judicial arguments are convoluting. afaik the Company convinced a significant majority of tenants to leave, but the few remaining made a JR/appeal, which "pins" this estate as `landuse=residential` despite "obviously a construction yard".
4~ 10 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OK, I read the news. Basically, the Company eventually got all the flats back after some verdicts + arbitration. de jure the Estate is still `landuse=residential` until (I think) Dec 2025, but me discovering this situation this late to the story, it would just be a technicality issue, and can't justify an OSM edit. I will just hold this note open until later with no action to take.
5~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Hi there, we are long into December, I guess that means we can close this note with no actions to take?
6~ 9 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I have no idea why, but I seem to keep reading about new judicial resolutions way into December. I do not know whether there are more ongoing judicial cases.
7~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Any updates on this note?
8~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No updates, but I am very afraid to close this. Last time (December) I thought all cases were closed already, and then a few days later I read about a few of them freshly closed. Best bet would be to wait for the Company to do work. I think the news was that the Company would start partial work on this site as it waits for the several remaining cases to close, instead of doing work on the entire site at once. This should be a good indicator of what's up.
9~ 7 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
the sidewalk along wai chi street now has beams along it in preparation for demolition
10~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Apparently, legal process is still going. See below May 2026. Again, "I am very afraid to close this". https://thewitnesshk.com/%E5%B9%B3%E5%B1%8B%E6%8E%A7%E5%A4%A7%E5%9D%91%E8%A5%BF%E9%82%A8%E6%8B%92%E9%81%B7%E5%B1%85%E6%B0%91%E5%8B%9D%E8%A8%B4-%E5%B1%85%E6%B0%91%E9%9D%A2%E8%87%A8%E5%9F%B7%E9%81%94%E5%90%8F%E6%94%B6%E6%A8%93/
11~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Yes, but if you are "discovering this situation this late to the story, it would just be a technicality issue, and can't justify an OSM edit", what is this note for?
12~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This is an extremely shitty residential area. The reason why no changes are possible is because OSM is for long term usage, but we know this residential area will become a construction area soon, just that we don't know when, so it doesn't justify an OSM edit. This does not stop this area from being an extremely shitty residential area, which is different from OSM data, so this note is also not closeable.
13~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
The purpose of notes is to "assist others in mapping/editing". If no action can be taken, how is it not closable? Cf. e.g. we have previously closed notes from maps.me placed at the centre of large polygons, making the location inaccurate, on the basis that it is impossible to know where the action is needed, even though the text of the note is perfectly fine.
14~ 4 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
well man tai house is currently being demolished
15~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
On top of tracking demolition progress, I rather keep this note open than to have someone update the Estate to be a residential area, which is technically correct but contextually very inappropriate. We can keep this note open until we are sure the last of the JR processes are complete; the Company will likely make press releases when that happens, and then we will know.
16~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
New JR: https://hkcourtnews.com/%E5%A4%A7%E5%9D%91%E8%A5%BF%E9%82%A8%E6%B8%85%E6%8B%86%E7%88%AD%E8%AD%B0%EF%BD%9C%E5%B1%85%E6%B0%91%E7%94%B3%E5%8F%B8%E6%B3%95%E8%A6%86%E6%A0%B8%E3%80%80%E7%A8%B1%E3%80%8C%E6%94%9E%E5%9B%9E%E5%90%88/ Apparently the estate is still mail-able. Like, we are frustrated, the residents (plaintiff) are frustrated, the residents (unsued) are frustrated, the Company is frustrated, and the Judges are also frustrated. The spiciness is justified, need not feel bad.
17~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
man lee, man shun and man hong house have been demolished
18~ 6 days agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
man on and man tai house have been demolished
19~ 6 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@HenryEK if you know about the situation, you may create a changeset yourself.
20~ 3 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I believe all residents were evicted some time ago? Then we may make a changeset. Remember this note was created by me to keep track of demolition status, and also determine whether the estate is finally a de jure construction site rather than a de jure housing estate.
5539576
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 21 days agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-08-26T01:30:29Z POI name: 朗思國際學校 Think International School POI types: amenity-kindergarten #organicmaps ios 2026.09.05-5-ios
2~ 3 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Seems this specific campus closed. https://zh.think.edu.hk/contact
3~ 3 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Amendment: https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E/60252458/%E6%9C%97%E6%80%9D%E5%9C%8B%E9%9A%9B%E5%AD%B8%E6%A0%A1%E5%81%9C%E8%BE%A6-%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2%E5%B1%80%E4%BF%83%E6%A0%A1%E6%96%B9%E7%9B%A1%E5%BF%AB%E9%80%80%E9%82%84%E5%BB%BA%E6%A0%A1%E5%82%B5%E5%88%B8-%E6%9C%AA%E6%8E%A5%E8%BD%89%E6%A0%A1%E6%9F%A5%E8%A9%A2 The primary school closed, but the kindergartens remained.
5527233
Category: Unknown
1~ 27 days agoopened1F616EMO
♦9
Needs further verification, but as construction of CC Project E is going on and spans over the path, the path probably no longer exist.
2~ 3 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Armchair: it's most probably gone. OSM mostly runs on volunteer efforts, so if you happen to pass by this area, you may have a look, and then update the map. After completing a relevant changeset, you may close this note.
3~ 3 days agoclosed1F616EMO
♦9
The bottom part is definitely gone. I am removing the whole path BOLD'ly, as it cannot function in the way it's mapped anyways.
5557665
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 10 days agoopenedSpaci
♦7
Unable to answer "Welches Material hat die Oberfläche hier?" – Pfad – https://osm.org/way/1250748778 via StreetComplete 63.4: This bridge seems to no longer exist. Attached photo(s): https://streetcomplete.app/p/375782.jpg
2~ 3 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
That's not even a proper ford. Good that they sealed it.
3~ 3 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190458777 ; closing.
5539575
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 21 days agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-08-26T01:30:29Z POI name: 中國銀行(香港) Bank of China (Hong Kong) POI types: amenity-bank #organicmaps ios 2026.09.05-5-ios
2~ 4 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190431853 ; closing.
5561687
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 days agoopened---New building has been completed and opened. I forgot what's the name though.
2~ 4 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Number should be "33 Hung To Road"
3~ 4 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
See https://www.qifengcapital.com/projects?lang=zh
5449549
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedHenryEK
♦42
missing service road for car park entry and exit
2~ 5 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/601518018 this is not what you are looking for?
3~ 1 day agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
no, theres a small strip of road for the parking lot below the hkia community building
5523601
Category: Unknown
1~ 29 days agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo / issue: Link website says there is a 7-11 here, but 7-11 website doesn't. What is going on?
2~ 24 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
There are no references to 7-eleven in this neighbourhood in OSM. There is literally nothing to do. Dubious identity of this "link website", but not important, because there's nothing to do. Closing.
3~ 24 days agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
4~ 24 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
1. If it exists, there's something to do 2. It's Link REIT
5~ 24 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
> Link website says there is a 7-11 here > There are no references to 7-eleven ??????????????????
6~ 24 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.linkhk.com/tc/shop/22000
7~ 23 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It's not shown in the map, but listed below https://www.7-eleven.com.hk/zh/store https://www.7-eleven.com.hk/sites/default/files/2025-05/5.2-5.5 StoreList.pdf
8~ 21 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Can't blame me for misunderstanding this; "link" is a generic English word.
9~ 21 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OK, but with this, we can establish that the map component is faulty. I shall automatically believe that the text list is legit, per "website = irl" principle.
10~ 21 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Also, it didn't help that, when OSM Carto was showing a "7 eleven" red text (some sort of commercial/retail feature), and then I tried to open iD to have a look, I found no references of "7 eleven" in OSM. @kingkingHK
11~ 21 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
"Common" sense: Link is a well-known company; public housing shopping centres are run by Link; Link runs a website. Shouldn't be difficult to understand. "Common" sense: if you don't understand, don't instant-close it.
12~ 21 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Someone tagged the entire shopping mall as 7-11, which is obviously wrong: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185020744 But I didn't know whether I should create a 7-11 node, because I am not even sure if it exists, hence this note. @vectorial8192 given your level of experience in osm I somewhat expect you to be able to look up object histories and understand what happened.
13~ 20 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Taking the simplest interpretation, I could not help but wonder what it means by some sort of HTTP web link website. Of course that counts as "spam" and can be instantly closed with no emotional attachment. (e.g. see protectkhnames) @kingkingHK the lack of any OSM information hinting towards "7 eleven" does not help your cause. At minimum you should leave a placeholder node with like "note=xxx" or "fixme=xxx", and then I will instantly know. This feels like you are deliberately setting me up for some mistake.
14~ 20 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Imo this note is extremely simple to understand. But for preservation of mental sanity, I will not continue arguing on this.
15~ 7 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
@kingkingHK retaining the information on OSM as some sort of live accessible data object would have greatly reduced followup efforts. Now you have made this an ordinary "start from scratch" note. Once again, I am disappointed.
16~ 7 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Anyhow, it must be incorrect to tag information about a shop on the shopping centre building way. There was no meaningful previous data. This is a "start from scratch" note because this is a "start from scratch" situation.
17~ 5 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Disappointing. While it is definitely wrong to attach shop info onto buildings, this configuration still provides some hints as to where the shop may be located. Past guy might have misunderstood something, then it is easier to followup. @kingkingHK your past actions have wastefully converted this note into a "start from scratch" note when it could have been a "wrong understanding" note that requires minimal effort to fix.
18~ 3 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@vectorial8192 Can you please explain in simple and concise terms what you think I should have done, and how it would be an improvement compared to what I actually did?
5128944
Category: Unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---清深洗衣專門店 Oceanic Laundry Shop 灣仔晏頓街1號安定大廈
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct
3~ 6 months agoclosedフーヴァー リー
♦230
4~ 6 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
5~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
6~ 20 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We have https://www.facebook.com/p/Oceanic-Laundry-SHOP-61565660343314/ , which mentions Shop 1B, but then unlikely to be true when we already have Coco Espresso at this area. Also, website is dead. Do provide more info, or I am closing this.
7~ 20 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Coco espresso is next door. Laundry shop is between https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12189929101 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4796214521 . I have no further info to provide other than a pic of the shopfronts.
8~ 7 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It's unusual, but OK, in OSM we trust.
9~ 7 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/190279967 ; closing.
5128947
Category: Unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---Missing Location: 天天洗衣 Daily Laundry 灣仔莊士敦道36-42號聯發大廈地下36A1舖
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct
3~ 6 months agoclosedフーヴァー リー
♦230
4~ 6 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
5~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
6~ 20 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
In OSM we trust.
7~ 20 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189595659 ; closing.
5128950
Category: Unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---Missing Location: 保仕 乾洗公司 地舖, Shun Pont Commercial Building, 9號 Thomson Rd, Wan Chai
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct
3~ 6 months agoclosedフーヴァー リー
♦230
4~ 6 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
5~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
6~ 20 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
In OSM we trust.
7~ 20 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189595469 ; closing.
5128949
Category: Unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---Missing Location: 保美洗衣 灣仔盧押道11-13號修頓商業大廈
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct
3~ 6 months agoclosedフーヴァー リー
♦230
4~ 6 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
5~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
6~ 20 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Website https://sammydryclean.com/ disagrees. Do provide more info, or I will close this.
7~ 20 days agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Seems like I have made a mistake. POI doesn't exist, according to my survey on 1 March. But, rest assured, I have checked again, and the other laundry notes in this area do indeed exist irl as of 1 March.
5128946
Category: Unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---Missing Location: Sunshine Laundry Convenience Store 自助洗衣店 http://www.sunshinelaundry.com.hk/
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct
3~ 6 months agoclosedフーヴァー リー
♦230
4~ 6 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
5~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
6~ 20 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189594988 ; closing.
5128943
Category: Unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---Missing Location: British Dry Cleaners 英商乾洗 灣仔月街7號 http://www.britishdrycleaners.com/
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct
3~ 6 months agoclosedフーヴァー リー
♦230
4~ 6 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
5~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
6~ 20 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189594415 ; closing.
5515909
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 1 month agoopenedShing Wong
♦1
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-02-16T20:35:12Z POI name: 裕滿人家 Honorary Family POI types: cuisine-chinese amenity-restaurant #organicmaps ios 2026.09.05-5-ios
2~ 20 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We are eventually led to this website https://shop.price.com.hk/HONORARY_KC/contact_us/ which agrees with this note.
3~ 20 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189592654 ; closing.
5493225
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedM15k_one7 eleven shop
2~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Store finder https://www.7-eleven.com.hk/zh-hant/store_locator disagrees. Closing.
3~ 1 month agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
4~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
There's always the possibility of it not being up-to-date. A previous Guru 24 was closed. However, there's indeed no recent info.
5~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Guru 24 store list https://guruguruhk.com/article/stores does not list Soho West. The event of a large corporation (7 eleven) not having an up-to-date store list is improbable. Closing.
6~ 1 month agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
7~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
How are you so sure?
8~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
@vectorial8192 I already said Guru 24 was closed
9~ 29 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Another possible case of 7-11 not having an up-to-date store list: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5523601
10~ 28 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
If you have their app, you could check it. Sometimes apps are more developed and therefore updated than websites, as I have found for OK.
11~ 24 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I think it was me, but visiting the website is equivalent to visiting the place IRL. Apps are part of the "closed web" and are therefore not eligible for referencing. Closing, hopefully for real this time.
12~ 24 days agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
13~ 24 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
There's no such restriction
14~ 23 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It's listed https://7-eleven.hk/sites/default/files/2026-07/7CAFE%20Mango%20&%20Ccoconut%20Frappe%20Cup_Store%20Allocation.pdf https://7-eleven.hk/sites/default/files/2026-09/7CAFE%20X%20niko%20and...%20Coupon%20Booklet%20Redemption_Store%20List_20260921.pdf
15~ 20 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No comment from me. We can review this some time later. Text lists are generally unintuitive and messy compared to map views.
16~ 1 day agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
I forgot to check and mention it's shown in the map from "Select a store" on the right of the search bar. They must have some consistency or sync problems.
5304280
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: why suddenly highway=secondary ? seems can be just highway=tertiary all the way through.
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Connaught Road W -> QRW?
3~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
If say this, then I presume is actually Route 3 -> Queens Road. Mapillary is difficult to click in this area, but it seems Whitty Street is just a generic internal road and might be highway=unclassified instead. Also/Then, consider "[...] -> Western Street -> Queens Road", which seems to be planning-intended path. No matter what happens, having a free-standing highway=secondary among highway=tertiary segment does not fit into the overall "coherent hierarchy" principle. Low-resolution rendering would show this segment of highway=secondary with no obvious reason of existence.
4~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
What does mapillary have to do with this? Highway classification is functional, not physical. Don't understand why you mentioned Western Street, when it doesn't even connect to Route 3. This is also clearly not free-standing or violating highway continuity rule. The highway continuity rule only says highway classification shouldn't change without a junction, and here the `=secondary` is between two junctions.
5~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
If no further discussion after a week or two I will close this note.
6~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Western St: `=secondary` (incidentally) Whitty St: `=tertiary` What's the problem? And for leaving, Hill Rd is `=tertiary` , while there's Water St `=secondary`
7~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
To refocus the discussion, the core concern is: this section of Des Voeux Road West somehow got highway=secondary , which seems like a mistake, or somehow doesn't fit OSM Global standards. Either I missed something, or this is a real mistake. Disregarding my doubts on the "functional only" doctrine, it seems no problem if we demote this section (back) to tertiary level. Alternatively, which means I missed why this section should be secondary, do we have some elaboration on why this section is secondary? Hopefully this is not because "two tertiary roads join together to become secondary" which is just a very flimsy reason; tertiary roads can join together to form a wide network of tertiary-only roads, no reason why not.
8~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
"two tertiary roads join together to become secondary" is not necessarily true, but can act as a rule of thumb.
9~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
The 2 `=tertiary` have different functionalities. DVRW westbound is a roadway across the part of an area. Whitty St is connecting QRW.
10~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Question answered with no more activity; propose closing.
11~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I intend to survey this a bit (Mapillary is difficult to click). Granted, I haven't done HKI notes for a long while so I may not immediately do this.
12~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
What needs to be checked?
13~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Echoing @Kovoschiz; what point can you not make without a survey?
14~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Whitty Street seems too generic to be highway=tertiary , but Mapillary imagery is incomplete.
15~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
What is "generic"?
16~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
A better word is "unremarkable". Maybe I should just check the street by myself, seeing that I can't justify the case well. We did have an answer for "why we have tertiary roads here", but the core issue "why we have a single segment of secondary road here" remains unresolved. To me, ignoring the situation at Whitty Street, it seems the secondary segment can be tertiary and it's still OK.
17~ 29 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
No more activity; propose closing.
18~ 22 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Yeah I am starting to think this could have been a private study, and then I can decide what to do next. Closing.
19~ 22 days agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
20~ 22 days agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It's connecting the `=primary` to `=secondary` , which could be promoted
5129081
Category: Unknown
1~ 9 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/889581234 construction probably finished, according to aerial imagery.
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Construction finished, but somehow I couldn't find the entrance irl.
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Not sure which side you went, but aerial imagery suggests the opening could be at "22.438334,114.182104". It does not seem likely for the site to have an entrance next to the CLP site.
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
However, per https://www.landsd.gov.hk/doc/tc/consent/monthly/t2c_2405.pdf , the provisional address does hint towards the entrance being next to the CLP site, contrary to what aerial imagery would suggest.
5~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
If I remember correctly I went near your coordinates, but failed to find any entrances. Although maybe I just missed it.
6~ 27 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, it does open to the other side with an unusual geometry.
7~ 27 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189245610 ; closing.
5521708
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopened1F616EMO
♦9
This is a roundabout, not a triangle.
2~ 27 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Can confirm from both aerial imagery and street imagery (Mapillary). Would have been left untouched if no street imagery exists, though I personally should have known more about this.
3~ 27 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We will start with the roundabout shape, done with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189244315
4~ 27 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Then, relations cleaned up with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189245199
5~ 27 days agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
All done; closing.
5519924
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 1 month agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI name: 又一堂 101 Learning Mall POI types: amenity-kindergarten #organicmaps ios 2026.09.05-5-ios
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We see the company was (to be) dissolved https://www.stheadline.com/society/3272362/%E9%80%A3%E9%8E%96%E6%99%AE%E9%80%9A%E8%A9%B1%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83101%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2%E9%9B%86%E5%9C%98%E9%81%AD%E7%94%B3%E6%B8%85%E7%9B%A4-1115%E6%8F%90%E8%A8%8A
5215003
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 6 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
"Shop A. Shop name is CHI Tachinomi." OSM snapshot date: 2026-03-10T00:09:11Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-bbq #organicmaps ios 2026.03.11-12-ios
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct
3~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Whatever happens, this is definitely not a "grill spot / picnic site".
4~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189074201 ; closing.
5451713
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/746368284 suspicious placement/existence
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
From street imagery, at least we can see there is some sort of shop space over here. Very unexpected, but OK.
3~ 1 month agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
"Obviously" no problem here. Closing.
4~ 1 month agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
5~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No wait, what?!
6~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The fact that there apparently exists a corporate office which is not listed in the website https://www.bachy-soletanche.com.hk/ remains unaddressed.
7~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The key is that, a fancy MNC cannot possibly have a corporate office located at such a cramped lowly place just to do paperwork. Something must be wrong.
8~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/189045571 ; closing.
5493239
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedM15k_oneArabica coffee shop
2~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Store finder https://arabicacoffee.hk/locations/locations disagrees. Closing.
3~ 1 month agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
4~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
@vectorial8192 ? https://arabicacoffee.hk/locations/hong-kong-soho-west
5~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
My bad. The map somehow does not show all pins.
6~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/188954823 ; closing.
5493233
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedM15k_oneWatsons
2~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Collectively resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/188912978 ; closing.
5493236
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedM15k_one24/7 gym
2~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Collectively resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/188912978 ; closing.
5493229
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedM15k_oneYamazaki bakery
2~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Collectively resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/188912978 ; closing.
5513925
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedpeterltn
♦1
博康村759阿信屋早已結業多年,請移除標記,謝謝。
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM 依靠志願人士提供/更新資料。如你知道有關的最新消息,你可經註記提供(例:新店舖的資料)。
3~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/188919599
4~ 25 days agoclosedyungyung123
5~ 25 days agoreopenedyungyung123
6~ 25 days agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
5493829
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
I think this is closed/repurposed?
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
So far I see this is downgraded.
3~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/188820483 ; closing.
5501347
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedlzy030513
♦0
Despite the gloomy area beneath the overpass, it offers good accessibility.
2~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No idea what this is supposed to mean in OSM context. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes > For example never create notes such as "I was here on Saturday" or "There was a crime at this location".
3~ 1 month agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
4~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
`covered=yes` is not yet added
5~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Bridge area and then infer it.
6~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/188808892 ; closing.
5486474
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopened---潤利廣生船舶維修有限公司
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We have https://www.yunlee.com.hk/ but it does not mention any of its maintenance facilities.
5417944
Category: CoMaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedJohn Nevzer Avrung
♦28
"Some small hinduistic or budhist temple." OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T04:20:21Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-place_of_worship #CoMaps android 2026.07.16-10-FDroid
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Rural location, it's basically some Chinese folklore statues.
3~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Improved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187972750 ; closing.
4~ 1 month agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
5~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I don't see how adding a `note=` which by definition is only used by other osm users is any sort of improvement.
6~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
osm contributors* not end users
7~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Also, government maps agree. Survey recommended.
8~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Call me armchair, but I find "Hinduistic" generally inconsistent with the Chinese settlements in this area. Unsubscribing.
9~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
1. How do you know the note creator got the "Hinduistic" part correct? 2. If you don't know, why do you still close the note with a useless changeset?
5417923
Category: CoMaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedJohn Nevzer Avrung
♦28
This place does not exist: "On this place is only concrete ramp with flags and some street food / fish sellers" A CoMaps user reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T04:20:21Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-toilets #CoMaps android 2026.07.16-10-FDroid
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Just by looking at aerial imagery, it's just not possible to have a toilet here. Probable mistake of https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1777084780
3~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187973178 ; closing.
4~ 1 month agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
5~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Might be inaccurate positioning? Shouldn't look at the exact coords only. Need to double verify. Not only trusting reporting user. Was added by an active user https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Wright%20One
6~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I'm gonna maintain my stance of "armchair contextually impossible" but I am open to let someone else look at this. Could be "rural informal/temporary toilet" but I still think this is contextually unlikely. Unsubscribing.
5360205
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: online info says this bridge has been restored https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/209631718
2~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
future reference: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/14fnVEzksaz/
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It seems they took the bridge away and placed a new one back at the same spot? Either we need a survey, or we find a usable source and armchair this.
4~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186697823 ; closing.
5417943
Category: CoMaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedJohn Nevzer Avrung
♦28
"This is a fish market with some restorans along. The restorans is usualy closed - I been in the sunday, I dont know how it showes in diferent days." OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T04:20:21Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-marketplace #CoMaps android 2026.07.16-10-FDroid
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It's basically an area for fish sales/eat dual functionality. Some restaurants may not open on Sunday, not sure how they decide to open. Still, the area is not just for commercial uses; it mixes with residential houses. We can keep the node, but the node should not be here anyway. afaik this outer area is for fish/boat handling,
3~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187973771 ; closing.
5346823
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: bus terminus will be opened on 21 June, according to online info
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
concern: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184412298
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I was about to ask the changeset for more details, but it declaring YouTube as a source could be a problem.
4~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Ok, as as start, the quoted changeset needs to be reverted for ToS and/or copyright violation.
5~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
See https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184417534
6~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Someone did something: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184487035
7~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
At least the scope is limited. Like, we can just look at the relevant TD announcements and then we know the bus terminus is open. We don't need YouTube videos for that. That said, we can use this opportunity to confirm the shape of the terminus, and also the situation surrounding the station (e.g. marketplace? old terminus? etc).
8~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, I'm gonna do it.
9~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Btw see also https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184730262
10~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
:( Ideally, we should confirm the roads before we add in the bus relations, but this time we were not fast enough. irl is different from OSM.
11~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
You can still correct the roads to match real life first. I can redo the bus relations Later™
12~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
concern x2: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184730262 The node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13971781917 etc irl positions are wrong, not at OSM declared positions. Hmmm... same guy btw
13~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This is unusual. Perhaps more information is needed.
14~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon further review, the situation is acceptable, though thanks to efforts by https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/samho1234567 it seems there is no need for any extra rerouting. If no extra thing to clarify, then will close soon.
15~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Should be OK now. Closing.
39806861~ 2 years agoopened---粉嶺沙頭角公路DD39, Lot 2645
2~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Is this information useful for OSM?
3~ 9 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I mean, we can't really just say "this is useless" (this note hints towards a brownfield and therefore can be added to OSM), but obviously it seems we don't know how to "properly" use this information.
4~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
This doesn't feel any more useful than the spam/private notes typing in an address. Imo the most we can do is mapping/improving features in this area.
5~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Back then I would instant-close notes that only contain addresses. However imo a plot name/ID is stronger than an address, so these cannot be instant-closed.
6~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Imo a plot name is just a fancier/more formal address.
7~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@vectorial8192 If you don't think this can be instant-closed, what actions do you propose to take here?
8~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@vectorial8192 I might visit this location in a few days; let me know if you think I should look out for anything in order to resolve this note.
9~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Well, at minimum we should try to see if this is somehow signposted (probably not). We can then see which irl area(s) correspond to this plot of land; at minimum we can clarify the industrial areas into several distinct plots, likely partitioned along the roads. Ultimately it's sometimes not possible to very clearly and precisely state beforehand what we want. Sometimes we just hold a feeling and then go there *and after that* we will then know what we want.
10~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Then, seeing I have no such feeling and still don't really know what to do with this note (imo clarification/partitioning of the land belongs in "general stream"), I will just leave this note to you, or someone who knows how to deal with this (might be future me).
11~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I have decided to at least validate what we are looking at. The Land Registry has a free (money) online address lookup system https://www.landreg.gov.hk/tc/services/services_b_9.htm . According to this system, there is no such "Sha Tau Kok Road DD39L 2645" plot. This note is fake news. Factual references (especially for debunking purposes) should be copyright-waivable. Note is invalid; closing.
12~ 3 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
13~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
But we can find it on geoinfo map though.
14~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
To clarify, the registry has "Sha Tau Kok Road DD39L" but doesn't list specific "2645" plot. But, looking at the registry list, the whole neighbourhood has building name set to null. Technically because NT is leased, the lack of records is insufficient to prove the lack of land mastery (by government or by private entities), but administratively these "unclaimed" plots are just "greenfields with extra steps" (see Lands Resumption Ordinance). So far I believe, in OSM, it is perfectly OK to omit greenfields because for well-mapped areas (e.g. HK) every unmapped area can be safely assumed to be greenfields. This updated explanation should work. Leaving open for now, but will close soon-ish.
15~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No-op for greenfields should be OK. Closing.
5361744
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedJon Wang
♦40
Messed up Border Label. Make sure to be careful when updating.
2~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Are you trying to point out any issues in osm data?
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Opening the map in this area reveals an unrendered, free-hanging point: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13895856702 The node seems to indicate a data error, where (based on the existing border areas) features are wrongly delegated to the HK OSM Group for maintenance. As members of the HK OSM Group. we should review the relevant PRC docs and determine the best course of action. ------------- Beyond the vague texts, given the advisory/notification nature of the message, "this could have been an email", or at least a Discord message sent to the HK OSM Discord Server.
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Referenced by cross-border duplicate https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5361745 , which explains the border control situation in this area.
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Special note: Because Sha Tau Kok border crossing is being rebuilt, and I don't think any HK mapper here has STK Border Area permit, we will have to fully armchair this. We should give this to Discord for discussion.
6~ 3 months agocommentedJon Wang
♦40
some of the areas are only accessible from mainland side And there could be some trobule referencing/editing that,plus Not much mainland were contact with hk mapper on this issue.I think this worth a note anyway.
7~ 3 months agocommentedJon Wang
♦40
i meant mainlander(i'm one of them)But you guys can get that idea.
8~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Understandable. We use OSM notes to point out data problems. The OSM platform allows global communication, so CN-HK both sides can detect and know there is this data problem.
9~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
So far I can see the problem is that the legal boundaries and the actual lines-of-control seems to be different; some places are outside HK border control, suggesting CN direct control.
10~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
An effective international example is found: the River Moselle, running along Germany and Luxembourg, is a condominium of both. We can see that overlapping boundary relations is an acceptable mapping style.
11~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon further review, this is actually not a condominium. For example, the Hong Kong government does not pay for the upkeep of the Sha Tau Kok neighbourhood east of the defined borders. A more appropriate understanding of this border situation is "Schengen area with extra steps". While EU citizens may freely move between Schengen countries, this doesn't mean the relevant country borders are automatically extended to reach the frontiers of the Schengen area. Access control should be mapped per the usual access=* tags. Still, the Sha Tau Kok neighbourhood (both CN and HK) can be clarified to indicate the special access statuses.
12~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Because both sides (CN and HK) require readily-available special travel documents to access the respective sides of the open-borders Sha Tau Kok / Shatoujiao neighbourhood, all relevant streets are given access=permit . Note that HK Sha Tau Kok was previously closed off to the HK public (therefore should have been access=private ), but this policy was updated around 2025-2026 to allow for tourism purpose access grants, thus resulting in access=permit . This however still does not permit CN-HK border crossing, which normally should be done at the northwest-side checkpoint, the action which is currently unavailable pending checkpoint renovation works. All is done. Closing.
13~ 3 months agoreopenedJon Wang
♦40
14~ 3 months agocommentedJon Wang
♦40
wait wait what about the narrow space located southern than the second stone?the area between 新楼街 and south 中英街 wasn't opened for security reasons And were separated by walls,Which doesn't feels like the northern part where you can sure make it equal as the europe circumstances?
15~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I am not sure if I am understanding this correctly. Having walls at borders is "default settings". If you are referring to the line formed between (22.545253, 114.225428) and (22.544153, 114.226184), then the PRC documents have very clearly stated what is HK and what is not HK. If you are instead referring to the line formed between the 2nd stone and (22.545285, 114.225457), and you are trying to say the buildings can be entered from CN side, then you have discovered a very lucrative position (?) where the buildings legally are located in HK (follows HK laws) but serve primarily CN customers. There seems to have no issues here, though from business money-making perspective, this may be a uniquely valuable location. Please see whether I am understanding this correctly.
16~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Hello? Am I understanding this correctly?
17~ 2 months agocommentedJon Wang
♦40
um so Mainland customers could not enter 海山楼 from northern part of 边界管理区 Because it was blocked by the local check point.From my knowledge of the mainland tourist,they'd had to request foe visitor permit(禁区纸) To enter such area(海山楼&新楼街)And they couldn't just visit 中英街 at the same time so nope.The part between the both 新楼街警岗 (I'd be curious if one of them would be called 环城路警岗btw)Wasn't Accessible by both sides And under maintain For undocumented reasons So it miss-aligned with your explanation.(A bit more like Baarle-Nassau/Buffer zone examples perhaps?)
18~ 2 months agocommentedJon Wang
♦40
also The graph from wikipedia It's a bit outdated,It seems that 海山楼 Is accessible From the Mainland side for a decades ago(If referencing the old picture from Wikipedia)But now encountering an Administrative change
19~ 2 months agocommentedJon Wang
♦40
the uh,Post Pandemic border Has been changed a lot compared to this old Photograph from common wiki(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shenzhen_&_Hong_Kong_Bianjie_1.JPG)
20~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I will use several posts to respond to these new points. ------------ Legally speaking, it's crystal clear which side is HK and which side is CN, so the border boundary line has no need for changing. Enforcement (overwhelmingly usually) does not change legal status. In the past, maybe enforcement is more lax, and CN person may "freely" visit 海山樓. However, this is not guaranteed because legally the building is indeed in HK. Following post-pandemic attention from both HK and CN, we can be sure all these ambiguous situations are being addressed one by one. For example, notice HK side now has a new checkpoint building/facility at Chung Ying Street. Older photos largely only shows a tent. This is increased government attention.
21~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The trend is "increased government attention". Both HK side and CN Shenzhen side has already implemented some sort of tourist permit system (access=private becomes access=permit). Naturally, the next step is to "funnel the people" into the pre-approved facilities, e.g. the new HK-side border checkpoint. This means the existing (?) informal checkpoints at Tsoi Yuen Kok and San Lau Street are very likely to have been closed and discontinued. Specifically for San Lau Street checkpoint, with the quoted photo, I can only say, that's very unsafe, because that is still a river channel, albeit "usually dry". These are reasonable deductions. We can later review the walls etc and then close this.
22~ 2 months agocommentedJon Wang
♦40
……mmm ok,after all since I'm a bit unfamiliar with the current status or how the gaps between(river itself) were reinforced,and there would be some upcoming policy update in foreseeable time,i'll put aside some unnecessary problems for now.may be lablein' wall is examine-able for now. if this problem would be transferred/archived in other bulletin boards,there'll be no issues and we can leave & close this note then.
23~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
For the walls, I can find e.g. https://www.archsd.gov.hk/archsd/html/report2025/tc/case-study/3.html , which describes the (new) walls as part of the Sha Tau Kok improvement works.
24~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Should be OK now. Closing.
5474772
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
question: By street imagery, the kerb is actually slightly raised. Does this count as an actual roundabout? Or should we follow markings and still classify this as a mini-roundabout?
2~ 1 month agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
This doesn't affect it. The definition is it's traversable. Other `=mini_roundabout` would have a slight raised dome.
3~ 1 month agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
4~ 1 month agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It's the same regardless of whether there's a `kerb=lowered`
5472313
Category: CoMaps
1~ 1 month agoopenedjau4
♦2
"Wrong Icon. Currently the Shenzhen metro icon is used but this station belongs to Hong Kong metro." OSM snapshot date: 2026-08-18T16:49:24Z POI name: 羅湖 Lo Wu POI types: railway-station-subway-shenzhen #CoMaps android 2026.08.07-3-Google
2~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM data already correctly indicates KCR (MTR) control. OSM "Core" itself doesn't deal with rendering complaints; rendering complaints are "Peripheral". Contact your app developer/author (should be CoMaps, judging from the note text). Closing.
3~ 1 month agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
PS: Another possibility is inaccurate low-resolution boundary relations giving the area to Shenzhen. But this is still "Peripheral", and is still not handled by "Core".
5257117
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: Wo Yi Hop Road: physical separation
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We will first start with the junction separation, done in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187498105
3~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Relations cleaned up with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187830251 . All done; closing.
5455547
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI name: 日本城 JHC POI types: shop-houseware #organicmaps ios 2026.07.23-6-ios
2~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Node was already marked as "was:shop" last month. Check your updates.
5456929
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopened---New street naming Hong Kong government gazette No. 5070 “Ka Yin Street” 2026-8-14
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Not good enough; you also need the department name!
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This is the *Lands Department* 2026 GN 5070. If it weren't for community crosschecking I would have instant-closed this for "spam".
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187488879 ; closing.
5380549
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: CTB 41A https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8161675 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8161682 Validator warning: route scheme is unspecified; clarify "public_transport:version"
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We got a tool to track that. Closing.
5440622
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: pipe works (?); road closure scope?
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I leave to PT mappers to determine whether this needs relation updating. Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187301529 ; closing.
5443429
Category: CoMaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedJohn Nevzer Avrung
♦28
Incorect display layers concrete road and water when scale measurment line display 2- 5km. #CoMaps android 2026.07.16-10-FDroid
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
While rendering issues are normally not entertained by OSM, it should be noted that the current pier is mapped as a "no hole multipolygon", which makes it equivalent to a standard polygon and defeats the "multipolygon" classification. This does not seem like the proper mapping method, and should be reviewed.
3~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
This is not a problem technically. Large areas are commonly drawn as `=mutlipolygon`
4~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I must admit I forgot the "large multipolygon" practice. However, for "industrial area" https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10507292 , seems like it should be "two separate areas which constitute the facility" rather than "a single piece of land that covers open water (?!)". This is the questionable mapping method that I mentioned.
5~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It means a facility, not land. This is caused by a lack of a feature as `man_made=works` is for factories. `=marina` covers both land and water too.
6~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
And `landuse=aquaculture`
7~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Marina is about using the water to park boats. Aquaculture is about using the water to farm fish. Harbour is about using the land to pack cargo (analogous to train cargo terminal) to/from trucks, which happens to interface with cargo ships, thus the most common implementation is to build the harbour at the coast to allow easy access. The legal/practical scope of the harbour is appropriately documented by the seamark relation https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10599236 . The facility should remain dry and stay on land. Will make changeset.
8~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
No, that's not the terminology Port: Authority Harbour: Waters Terminal: Land facility `=harbour` is furthermore flawed as I noted there
9~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Seamarks is an independent data system. It doesn't replace others.
10~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Will leave seamark aside because that does seem like very technical and separate maritime system data. However, again, I have strong doubts that the port area must include the water. e.g. look at Yantian Port https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261283912 , Xinsha Port https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13348421 , Taipei Port https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/377915546, Liaoluo Port https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1003279723 , Tuas Mega Port https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1004233257 , Busan Port https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6997580 , and possibly many others. They do not include the water. So far I can only find the port at Kua Lumpur https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/17814676 being mapped as an "industrial land" that covers the water, just like the one we have here at Hong Kong, but for Kua Lumpur (aerial imagery) we can see the area is a shallow water area and a large manmade pier is added to extend to deeper water to allow for docking, and the left over water area is therefore unreachable/unnavigable, which makes it permissible to be allocated "industrial land" despite technical inaccuracy. Aside from the fact that the overwhelming amount of ports that I find are "single-sided ports", ports that only has one side touching the water (which strongly suggests/hints not including the water area to begin with), are you really sure the mapping schema intends us to also include the water?
11~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
There's no "must", but it can. Wiki documents "Draw the outline of the harbour area", and it's even combined with `seamark:type=harbour` which can include waters. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261283912 : Doesn't include other side? https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261283912 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13348421 : A gap in the middle for some reason https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/377915546 : One of the CT only. Another `landuse=harbour` for the waters is a `industrial=port` synonym. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1003279723/ : Missing `name=` , someone simply drew `landuse=` on land at first. Waters is `=marina` wrongly. https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/19694664 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1004233257 : There's a `boundary=administartive` for land https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/19910302 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6997580 : Reusing only the `=coastline` lines
12~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Ps: Many of them either don't have a feature for the waters at all, or no another feautre enclosing both land and water. I'm guess users have not thought about spatially related them.
5257118
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: Wo Yi Hop Road: physical separation
2~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
One issue is that the admin bounds is defined to be along the road, which means iD can't deal with this, and JOSM must be used.
3~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I would out point out that it is highly discouraged to glue boundaries to other features.
4~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Then, in this case, after we detach the features, should we somehow move the boundaries to the east side or the west side? My near-future action is to split the ways somehow but keep the boundaries attached, for lack of good/obvious solution.
5~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Imo keep it at the centreline. OSM's ways are an abstraction anyway. For the single carriageway section, I would put the boundary very close to but not attached to the highway. (If I am wrong @Kovoschiz can correct me)
6~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
If the border is really defined by the road throughout time, attaching along the latter is passable. But HK isn't. If the road has been widened (it has in some sections), it won't follow.
7~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
(for the non-widened section, it's still toleratable)
8~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We notice that we naturally arrive at the same question again: how/where do we check for 18-District boundaries? When we know how those are defined, we will know whether we need to disconnect the ways.
9~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Ignoring the boundary definition, one practical blocker was/is that iD cannot easily disambiguate/select features when they perfectly overlap each other. However, later I found that iD has option to hide admin-bounds. Then, roads become selectable. JOSM situation notwithstanding, this means we now have a friendlier entrance to at least tackle the physical separation issue.
10~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
As it turns out, iD becomes very restrictive when there are hidden features, so we are unfortunately back at the first step.
11~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not too sure what blocker you are facing, but can't you just disconnect the nodes, or use ctrl+up arrow to select the correct way?
12~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
"This can't be disconnected because it connects members of a relation". It just so happens that both sides (bus relations and boundary relations) use the same nodes. Ctrl+down only selects all points of the way (which still disallows disconnecting). Ctrl+up doesn't seem to do anything.
13~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Admin bounds unglued using JOSM. Very messy. Hopefully basic connectivity is still fine.
14~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Finally, we will start with the junction separation, done in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187275533
15~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Then, relations are cleaned up https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187277034 All done; finally, closing.
5435587
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI name: 吃吧 Chiba POI types: amenity-restaurant #organicmaps ios 2026.07.23-6-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Believable; we can see the FB/IG pages have ceased activity since last year.
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187173599 ; closing.
5433653
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI name: Label Bakery POI types: shop-bakery #organicmaps ios 2026.07.23-6-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
At least the bakery node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4862706645 was placed appropriately, as seen in https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=22.31686178798101&lng=114.17387870030007&z=17&pKey=740691226587846&focus=photo . We can confirm lineage.
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187173395 ; closing.
5370720
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopened---Fame Limpid Design
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Seems like this one https://www.famelimpid.com/
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Feature already exists, but is probably mistagged
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187166519 ; closing.
5034435
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 9 months agoclosedbpaz709394
3~ 9 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 9 months agocommentedkmpoppe
♦3,729
This note was part of a mass-closure without any comment. It was subsequently reopened, as it's unclear if the problem mentioned still persists.
5~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187166124 ; closing.
5439394
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopened1F616EMO
♦9
lift
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I personally do not recommend it. Closing.
5380551
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: CTB 1M https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/14134677 Validator warning: route scheme is unspecified; clarify "public_transport:version"
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We got a tool to track that. Closing.
5259315
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: KMB 36B: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13901595 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13901594 Validator warning: route scheme is unspecified; clarify "public_transport:version"
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Imo this doesn't need a note for tracking. Just do it.
3~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Correct in principle, but I simply don't know what this v1/v2 thing means. You can do it if you know this.
4~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Basically, there are two schemas for mapping public transport routes, v1 and v2. The tag `public_transport:version=` is for specifying which one is used. For these two specific relations, they are actually broken (missing/no stops), so (iirc) they fit neither of the schemas. So no `public_transport:version=`. The way to fix it is to map it properly (i.e. add stops, also check if the route is correct), and add back `public_transport:version=2`. Which I will not be doing anytime soon because bus route mapping is painful.
5~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
ooof, then this can be classified as a large edit, and we will need to track this.
6~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We got a tool to track that. Closing.
5440378
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue/fixme: (assorted relations) Validator warning: you cannot have "abandoned stops" and "abandoned platforms".
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We got a tool to track that. Closing.
5440318
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: CTB 81A https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9447656 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9447657 Validator warning: route scheme is unspecified; clarify "public_transport:version"
2~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
You really don't need to make a note for every validator warning, you know.
3~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
"Also avoid noting lots of data bugs which are already reported by automated Quality Assurance tools." https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes
4~ 2 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
5~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I see there is no community interest to keep track of those. Alright then.
6~ 2 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
7~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
There's interest, but not here. Tools are already dedicated to it.
5440321
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: CTB 85 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3505395 Validator warning: route scheme is unspecified; clarify "public_transport:version"
2~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
"Also avoid noting lots of data bugs which are already reported by automated Quality Assurance tools." https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes
5034434
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 9 months agoclosedbpaz709394
3~ 9 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 9 months agocommentedkmpoppe
♦3,729
This note was part of a mass-closure without any comment. It was subsequently reopened, as it's unclear if the problem mentioned still persists.
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Interesting usage of "amenity=doctors". Not sure if this was previously mentioned, but should bring to discussion regardless.
6~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/187032128 ; closing.
5296607
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: bridge has physical separation; draw as two ways
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Distinct from (but is also highly relevant to) https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5296561 . For management convenience, progress is to be recorded over there.
5437430
Category: CoMaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedJohn Nevzer Avrung
♦28
"Mess on beach, mostly plastic" OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-28T06:39:58Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-waste_disposal #CoMaps android 2026.07.16-10-FDroid
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
From what I understand, OSM does not care about environmental pollution. Call your local volunteering/advocacy group instead. Also, quoting website https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes > For example never create notes such as "I was here on Saturday" or "There was a crime at this location". Other notes in this neighbourhood e.g. describing dangerous seaside paths are relevant to OSM, and may/will be reviewed in detail later. Closing.
5432688
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopened---Shenmo Education HK - Abacus & Mental Math Classes Address: Room 533B, Star House, 3 Salisbury Road, Tsim Sha Tsui, Kowloon, Hong Kong Phone: +852 4423 7445 Website: https://abacus-hk.com WhatsApp: +85244237445 Description: Abacus and mental math classes for kids ages 4-12. Certified instructor Teacher Mak, 15 years experience. Small classes 4-6. Hours: Tuesday, Sunday Category: Education / Training / Children's Classes Suggested tags: amenity=training, name=Shenmo Education HK, website=https://abacus-hk.com
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Spam. This is the ocean. Closing.
3~ 2 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
4~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
The address is valid though. This is actionable.
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Address may be valid, but website vibes do not feel legit. We have two notes that point to two "distinct" webpages that are 90% same. Cannot be explained by DNS redirect. I am strongly inclined to no-action close this.
6~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Extremely suspicious conceptual duplicate of https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5432689
7~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
The address is extremely convenient to get to though. I see no reason to not survey this first.
8~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Indeed well-accessible, but this feels like a waste of time; my instincts say the business is a fake.
5416311
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedHenryEK
♦42
closed september 2024(?) building should still exist
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186931673 ; closing.
5384946
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: long term cycleway closure expected due to drainage works
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Government website has this https://www.dsd.gov.hk/TC/Our_Projects/All_Projects/4200CD.html though it doesn't mention the exact closure dates.
3~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Iirc it's 23 Jul. Don't count on me though.
4~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, I have info.
5~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186927516 ; closing.
5425960
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: construction completed?
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Website https://www.hksh-emc.com/en/contact-us/index.php says construction is completed. We may see this is a multi-building / multi-plot facility.
40258461~ 2 years agoopened---盛水式加水機 2部 [飲用水] 洗手間下一層
2~ 9 months agoclosedbpaz709394
3~ 9 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 9 months agocommentedkmpoppe
♦3,729
This note was part of a mass-closure without any comment. It was subsequently reopened, as it's unclear if the problem mentioned still persists.
5~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct
6~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
In OSM we trust. In practice there could be multiple fountains at the same location (expecting many people? wheelchair compatibility?), but to indicate that we have a fountain here, one fountain would be enough. People would clarify it when they pass by.
7~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186921482 ; closing.
5433652
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-cafe cuisine-ice_cream #organicmaps ios 2026.07.23-6-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Node is https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4962599422 "HeSheEat" IG page self-lists as "at The Forest", which is next block. But then notice we already have https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12038023830 . Clean up and finish.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Destination updated with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186878454
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Origin updated with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186879808 All done; closing.
5433651
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI has no name POI types: shop-bakery #organicmaps ios 2026.07.23-6-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Refers to node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4577538894 "Pheronome". In OSM we trust. However, lacking any "anchoring info" and also current info on this ancient feature, will have to delete. No idea which shop space it is referring to.
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186879808 ; closing.
5433431
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI name: 香積廚素食館 Amazing Kitchen POI types: amenity-restaurant cuisine-vegetarian #organicmaps ios 2026.07.23-6-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Dead page. Instant delete/deprecate.
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186878075 ; closing.
5432689
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopened---Shenmo Education HK - World's Largest Abacus Education Brand Address: Room 533B, Star House, 3 Salisbury Road, Tsim Sha Tsui, Kowloon, Hong Kong Phone: +852 4423 7445 Website: https://shenmo-hk.com Description: World's largest abacus education brand since 1998. Operating in 100+ countries with 2M+ students. Hong Kong branch offering abacus and mental math education. Hours: Tuesday, Sunday Category: Education / Training Suggested tags: amenity=training, name=Shenmo Education HK, website=https://shenmo-hk.com, brand=Shenmo
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Spam. This is the ocean. Closing.
3~ 2 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
4~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
The address is valid though. This is actionable.
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Conceptual duplicate; spiritual redirect https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5432688
5034471
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed there is a family medicine clinic here.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Seeing the lack of activity on this note, I'm gonna do an armchair edit. There should be an FMC here, though the way the address is written implies other unknown/undocumented facilities. We will just leave space for these unknown facilities.
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186802575 ; closing.
5079402
Category: Unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8742956918 should probably be deleted
2~ 10 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Normally "movie scenic location" can be a tourist attraction, but to be frank I have no idea what is being referred to here.
3~ 10 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Seeing that it was created by maps.me, I don't have very high expectations (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MAPS.ME#Questionable_edits). Ideally we should also review his other edits (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Steven%20Lam%20Hiker/history), I just don't have time yet.
4~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Afaik if there's something physical (e.g. a monument) saying that it is a movie filming location, it might pass at a tourist attraction. However, I could not find anything here, so I think we can simply delete it.
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I believe we have something to show that, this feature is legit: https://www.hkallshan.com/bruce-lee_taitam1/ Triangulation matches the view from west side to the houses on the east side in the background. We can clean/improve this, and then finish.
6~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
If it's a `=viewpoint` for the scenery itself, it's acceptable. It happens to be used for movie. `description=` should be used first.
7~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We will just start with using the description field first. Exact situation can be left for future mappers in the general stream. This being an interesting place should mean some mappers would stumble upon this in the future, and then we will have clarification.
8~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186801928 ; closing.
5164334
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
name seems unsubstantiated
2~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/thread-2229220-1-1.html ?
3~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
; https://www.hb.gov.hk/tc/publications/housing/public/phpf/Attachment1tc.pdf : no results.
4~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I vaguely remember they later thought the name was too bad and retracted it, I guess that's why we can't find it anymore. If that's the case, perhaps we can move the name to `proposed:name=` or even `was:proposed:name=`.
5~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No. Do not do `was:proposed:name=*`. How do you even prove to me (I just came here today) that there was such a name other than via "trust me bro"? The baby doesn't have a name simply because of the trivial fact that said baby was aborted. We can at most give the baby a descriptive name. For example, OSM contains curves for a hypothetical North Island Line because that line itself was mentioned several times in several non-retracted public transport strategy documents. We can prove this NIL concept exists. Operationally, the name "Wah Yat Estate" never existed. <rant>That's why I have been trying to raise awareness on "working names". Those names aren't real!, Just [redacted]</rant>
6~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
See http://web.archive.org/web/20250926192231/https://www.hb.gov.hk/tc/publications/housing/public/phpf/Attachment1tc.pdf Also, isn't `source=local knowledge` essentially just "trust me bro"?
7~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@vectorial8192 please see if you are satisfied with the quoted page.
8~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I was scheduling to eventually reply to this note in the coming weeks, but ok. --------------- Re "local knowledge", at least in theory there is a real person behind the account that made the change, so a bad edit is still blamable and/or bannable. Re the Wayback Machine link, nope, it's fundamentally still "trust me bro" but more glorious and sounds much nicer. Plus some other possible issues. On the surface level, that document only explains the Chinese name, and doesn't mention any English names. The name is still (partially) unsubstantiated. Normally this is salvageable, but there's more. I think Internet Archive is an US entity of some sort. I am unfamiliar with US laws (US Fair Use might permit this usage), but by quoting upon the Wayback Machine, this really feels like infringing upon the database rights of the IA, which OSM really tries to avoid. Then, this document came from the HK-gov (allegedly so), but the original was retracted/updated after it was submitted to the Machine, so normally we shouldn't even be able to see this version of the document. That time I read through the Cap 528 (Copyright Ordinance) several times over, and then seeing this situation, I really feel like this copy is an unauthorized copy of government documents, and we literally can't use it. And then, if we need to quote upon the Machine, we will now need to trust an extra organization that that they are "clean", so to speak. Recent governance records of the IA is frankly not good (you are telling me, the Archive was hacked and then stayed broke for 2 whole weeks with no actions?!). Also see ongoing citation crisis at Wikipedia, also involving a supposedly "clean" archive. Way too dangerous; just don't do it.
9~ 7 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
1. Facts are not copyrighted, only creative expressions and arrangements. You should look at the ToS only. The list of properties might be trivially assembled in their working, not protected by database rights either. 2. I don't see how the past record of Wayback Machine has to do with this
10~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Then, I quote the Help Page https://help.archive.org/help/rights/ , esp: > The Internet Archive does not make guarantees as to the copyright status of items [...] When the PDF is no longer current, my opinion is that the government has basically retracted the copyright, and the document is now some sort of "government internal document leak". We really should not use it, and we should revert the change. Again, this is different from say "past government publication" because here the docs never went past the publication stage. It does not deserve even "was:proposed:name" (can you prove that it was renamed, when it has never gotten any names to begin with?). I am open to calling the DWG on this.
11~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
> here the docs never went past the publication stage ...it did? That's exactly what the Wayback Machine shows? > never gotten any names to begin with ??????
12~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
As it turns out, before we even get to review the unsubstantiated name, the plot is nearing completion, and the plot has been officially allocated into the new "Wah Fu North Estate". No more unsubstantiated estate names now. Closing.
5034469
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed there is a family medicine clinic here.
3~ 5 months agoclosedCrystaltszz
4~ 5 months agoreopenedCrystaltszz
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Seeing the lack of activity on this note, I'm gonna make an educated guess that this is a single-purpose facility.
6~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186800181 ; closing.
5034468
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed there is a family medicine clinic here.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Seeing the lack of activity on this note, I'm gonna make an educated guess that this is a single-purpose facility.
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186799678 ; closing.
33041471~ 4 years agoopenedti-lo
♦618
Which parameters for museum and subject ? "showcasing information about the Solar System, cosmology, and spaceflight" as of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Space_Museum https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=spaceflight#values https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=astronomy#values https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=aerospace#values Probably multiple ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semi-colon_value_separator "space" may be misinterpreted https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=space#values "science" values should correlate with "faculty" https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/faculty#values
2~ 1 year agoclosedseewhyso
♦189
Amended to science. However "subject" should be sufficient to describe without the use of "faculty"
3~ 1 year agoreopenedti-lo
♦618
4~ 1 year agocommentedti-lo
♦618
Seems to generic to me. The question was (also) whether several values could apply besides https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/museum=spaceflight
5~ 1 year agocommentedti-lo
♦618
"faculty" only applies to universities but similar values are used, such as https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/faculty=astronomy | https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/museum=astronomy
6~ 1 year agocommentedti-lo
♦618
The correct value might be museum=spaceflight;astronomy, also see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Amuseum, should also cover "Solar System, cosmology" ?
7~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
There are only 3+1 `spaceflight` , and 4 `astronomy` . Neither seems dominant. I would suspect some `=aerospace` may be mainly space-related, and obviously many aviation ones don't have a spaceflight showcase. So it doesn't perfect fit either. `=aerospace` has been mass added before https://taghistory.raifer.tech/?#***/museum/aerospace I don't understand how "space" would be misunderstood?
8~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
`museum=science` could yet be fine if `museum=` is treated as a generic category. But it doesn't have enough work done on it. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:museum#Untitled_1 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:tourism=museum#On_subtypes_and_topics_/_museum_subjects
9~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Both https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/faculty#values and https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/department#values aren't widely agreed on, and are being polluted by the faculty and department names. `department=` has further issue with `=store_section` for `=department_store` and `=supermarket` . There's no definite reason to match with `museum=` .
10~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:museum_type#Not_very_clear
11~ 1 year agocommentedti-lo
♦618
Please try whether this description works for you : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:museum:type%3Dscience
12~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
No. `*type` never works. It's a meaningless suffix.
13~ 1 year agocommentedti-lo
♦618
Seems to work in a bunch of cases https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:*:type
14~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I am thinking perhaps `museum=science` with `subject=astronomy` or `museum:subject=astronomy`. Cosmology is a subset of astronomy. Astronomy should automatically imply "spaceflight"; can't have serious (space) observations without rocket-delivered satellites and telescopes.
15~ 7 months agoclosedar_on_hk
16~ 7 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
17~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Some extra thoughts: Museum tag should be "museum=science" because this museum does demonstrate some science theories. The museum tag should "converge" to the fields of study at universities. Subject tag should be "subject=astronomy". Taginfo shows a lot of country names for this tag, which we can infer as "clarification of history museums". In particular, there is no usage of "subject=cosmology". We should still converge into the wider "subject=astrology", because e.g. this museum iirc demonstrates Doppler effects, gravity, and black holes, and these are general astronomical phenomena. Museum "type" should be avoided. It is ambiguous whether we intend to describe the subject of the museum (e.g. astronomy), the way the knowledge is presented (e.g. interactive displays, room-size demos, theatrical performances, ...), or the governance/funding structure (e.g. municipal, private, ...). As such, having "museum=science" with "subject=astronomy" is sufficient.
18~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
(continuation) In particular, the subject should not be "space science". Wikipedia describes "space science" as astronomy and astronautics. For this museum, looking at the astronautics topic, other than human spaceflight (which likely exists in all astronomy museum in the world anyway as general adjacent topic), iirc this museum does not talk about extraterrestrial colonization, life support systems, or cosmo-agri stuff. There is no (or just not much) astronautics in this museum; it still largely is just astronomy.
19~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186391412 ; closing.
20~ 2 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
21~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Can you not instant close a debated note? Space Exploration is its own Hall. `subject=` is used for the exact topic. At least it can be semicolon. `museum=` as you discussed is for the broadest categorization of museums. `museum:subject=` can be used for categorizing the topic. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Subject#Examples
22~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
`=astronomy` alone makes it seem it's focused on `planetarium` only. It has other panels and exhibits.
23~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It does seem like there is no *extra* debate, given the general inactivity, and no additional responses on my museum/subject interpretation. For me, following the Wiki definition, astronomy should simply "contain everything" which naturally includes "planetarium" and other stuff. Holding open for now to collect more info; but imo we should be pretty close to the true solution / tagging method.
24~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
You said "I am thinking perhaps", which seems you are undecided. And it needs progress on defining the use of `musuem=` , `subject=` , and `museum:subject=`
25~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
That was 6 months ago. It was definitely not final back then, but now I have some more (concrete) ideas, which was written down in this note. Still, pretty sure we are almost there.
5267124
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo/issue: some parts of Heung Yip Road should be bridges
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
For future reference: This is a "bridge-over-culvert" area. Similar examples and tagging practice can be found at e.g. Tai Chung Road, Tsuen Wan.
5419502
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
concern: I heard there is fallen scaffolding in this neighbouhood? Does this count as medium term closure?
2~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Does it take that long? Reassess after a week
3~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Common sense: fallen scaffolding doesn't take 6 months to clean up. Propose closing.
4~ 2 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
I quote https://programme.rthk.hk/channel/radio/trafficnews/index.php?d=20260727 > 長沙灣道危險棚架已清理:來回方向,介乎大南西街與興華街之間的全線現解封。2026-07-27 HKT 06:38 Closing.
5~ 2 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
6~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Let's clarify this "common sense", at least from my perspective: - Short term: around 3 days, top 1 week max - Medium term: at least 1 week, probably for until 1 month - Long term: at least 1 month It was not immediately clear how bad the situation was. It's pointless to invoke "common sense" as a talking point. For example, an effective clean up would take 1 day, while if the structure is messy, this could take a few days, and would warrant "medium term closure". @kingkingHK while you are confusingly fixated on this notion of "common sense", I raised this note because obstruction to Cheung Sha Wan Road can be locally significant, at least in terms of general neighbourhood accessibility. It's more than just the duration of the situation.
7~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Can see the situation is resolved IRL. Closing.
8~ 2 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
9~ 2 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
OSM require changes to last for at least 6 months to warrant a changeset. "could take a few days" still fails to justify an osm changeset/note. I genuinely cannot comprehend how fallen scaffolding can cause any sort of damage that cannot be cleaned up in 6 months.
10~ 2 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
11~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Jacking this back to "open". I fail to find this 6-month "requirement", but can find a similarly-worded "guideline". We at best can only offer guidelines since we won't always know everything before we offer these info, and we are supposed to digest the guidelines based on the local situation. Estimations are often based on personal experience, so not much to elaborate/converge on that. @kingkingHK maybe I am just too dumb. Can you find this 6-month "requirement" for me?
12~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
For example, I can find this forum post, which states a guideline of 6-month unavailability https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/mapping-temporary-road-closure-based-on-government-announcement-copyright-and-data-reliability-issues/136704/3 Coming from the DWG, because they can never always know everything, it is only a general guideline, and not a hard requirement. My personal take is that, given HK is a very dense city-centric place, we can do it much more frequently e.g. 1-month closure can also be considered long-term. Again, the above DWG post and my interpretation above are still guidelines, and not hard requirements. @kingkingHK where may your quoted requirements be found?
13~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Please don't discuss general questions in Notes. It isn't specific to here.
5381910
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedlecolibri258
♦73
"2 floor of the building" OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI name: EC Color POI types: shop-copyshop #organicmaps android 2026.06.29-3-Google
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Hi there, you may use semicolon ";" to indicate multiple floors of the same building. For example, "1;2" indicates "1/F and 2/F". Do you remember/know which floors for this shop?
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No response. imo unlikely for shop to exist in 2 levels, but it being Admiralty neighbourhood is somewhat believable.
4~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
They exist. In the same venue, shops can occupy non-adjacent store spaces, or even different floors.
5~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
But you misunderstood this one. It's 2th floor, not 2 floors. https://www.facebook.com/printing.eccolor/
6~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I somehow could not correctly explain that I am aware that shops in general can span over multiple floors (albeit rare), but I see in this case there was simply a misinterpretation.
7~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186709679 ; closing.
5416561
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue/concern: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12995394372 Should probably be marked as "demolished peak"; can't have a peak inside a (flat) football field.
2~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Protecthkname's work again. I would have fixed it immediately without making a note.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I'm here to see whether it's allowed to use natural=peak to indicate a flattened elevation level. Sounds weird, but I am somewhat open to suggestions and guidance for this topic.
4~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I am aware natural=plateau exists, but what if we need to indicate the "highest point" in the plateau (if exists)?
5~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Afaik OSM does not map elevation.
6~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Flattened summit would be fine. But this is not the summit, not higher than Sau Ming Rd.
7~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
protecthknames aside, this still points towards being a "demolished peak", just like how e.g. Kong Nga Po Sheung Shui gets a demolished peak as part of the training center flattening. Kong Nga Po is a legit hill name, and (hopefully) this ancient name is/was also legit.
8~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186705995 ; closing.
5376017
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy昂船洲西炮台(昂船洲炮台群)
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Active military area; cannot confirm/deny. Closing.
5376013
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy昂船洲南海岸炮台(昂船洲炮台群)
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Active military area; cannot confirm/deny. Closing.
5376008
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy昂船洲中央炮台(昂船洲炮台群)
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Active military area; cannot confirm/deny. Closing.
5375990
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy百夫长炮台(昂船洲炮台群)
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Active military area; cannot confirm/deny. Closing.
5375999
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy昂船洲东炮台(昂船洲炮台群)
2~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Active military area; cannot confirm/deny. Closing.
5375969
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy亚比安炮台(昂船洲炮台群)
2~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
isnt stonecutters albion already dismantled and built over? i know the other batteries are still present although ruined, but im pretty sure this one was demolished
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I do not think we are supposed to touch or clarify the Chinese barracks inside HK. This would likely violate CN mapping or national security regulations.
4~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
this seems to just be part of a mass note creation related to hong kongs historical batteries, regardless of if they exist, or are already present on the map for this particular note, im sure albion battery no longer exists, so it can simply be resolved without change however the other stonecutters island batteries are indeed there, but due to what youve brought up, id say to leave it up to discussion before anything is done
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By Gwulo https://gwulo.com/node/21091 it says the status is unknown. It is not definitely clear that the battery is really demolished. Granted we can't fully rely on Gwulo for decision-making, but given that the site is inside a continuously-active military area, there is no realistic way to even confirm/deny this note anyway. Might as well just close this directly.
6~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
from what i understand, way/449189871 is in place of the albion batteries. comparing aerial from the past, it was demolished to make way for previously stated building
7~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Active military area; cannot confirm/deny. Closing.
36543021~ 3 years agoopened---Number of storeys: 22 Units per floor: 10 Population: 589
2~ 2 years agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Number of storeys already in OSM data. We don't store population; it is too volatile. We do not have "units per floor"; however, we do have "total units in building". But is it a good idea to store the total?
3~ 2 years agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
What do you mean? `building:flats=` is a standard, and I haven't seen any question about its usefuleness. Not having units per floor now doesn't mean it can't be created. Also it would be useful to have an `addr:flats=` per floor to show how they are numbered on each floor, as the format is not scalable to list all reliably.
4~ 1 year agoclosedhersonsl
5~ 1 year agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
6~ 1 year agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Will there be any further discussion on this note? Discussions regarding units per floor and address format notation isn't very relevant to this note and is probably better suited elsewhere.
7~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
imo population should not be stored in osm, but I am not too familiar with how that works. can use this opportunity to recheck Tsui Chuk Garden building level/unit correctness, I guess.
8~ 1 year agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
why is this note still active
9~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
`population=` exists, and the 2021 census gives Tsui Chuk Garden population as 10071. However, the wiki says `population=` should only be used on `place=`.
10~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
General blunder by past self for suggesting to recheck level/unit correctness. I can't seem to find any usable sources for this, but supposedly there should be ancient sales brochures which should contain these info. Unsubscribing for now.
5424877
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic Note: scheduled for opening in August.
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Reference: https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202607/28/P2026072700287.htm
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
End of day reached; let's do this.
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186705155 ; closing.
5034400
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 11 months agoclosedZuborg2012
♦1
3~ 11 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
4~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed there is a Family Medicine Clinic here.
5~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186704782 ; closing.
5309379
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
What's the purpose of closing a note only to reopen an identical one a few meters away? (Tbf one could blame me for still not mapping it months after surveying...)
3~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
At least we are making sure we know the FMC is at a separate building not affected by the reconstruction.
4~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Fine, although I still disagree, this issue is so trivial and nonconsequential I don't even want to spend my energy debating, so whatever.
5~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186704228 ; closing.
5426200
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T00:42:02Z POI name: Kwan Ying Bakery POI types: shop-bakery #organicmaps ios 2026.07.23-6-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No idea whether the bakery is intended for #175 or #177, but by 2025 street imagery, definitely cannot find this.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Also, cross-checking older (2017 Kaart) imagery, still cannot find the bakery, despite being claimed as "from Kaart". I will just delete and remake.
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186643358 ; closing.
5~ 2 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
6~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
As usual this is simply inaccurately positioned. Please don't delete for this reason alone. https://hongkongsignboardcalligraphy.com/君盈麵包-kwan-ying-bakery/ https://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/whatsnew_fst/files/Traders_who_imported_distributed_the_lard_produced_by_Chang_Guann.pdf
5294906
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/100824558 "Eco" is not a known fuel company; oudated data?
2~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Can you update your description template, already explained in last https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5286430
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186591855 ; closing.
5374730
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy白沙湾炮台
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
According to online info, this area is not open to public. We may want to confirm this and then e.g. update the access tags.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I have read that the park is unavailable until October: https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E/60349826/%E9%AF%89%E9%AD%9A%E9%96%80%E5%85%AC%E5%9C%92-%E6%B8%AF%E7%89%88%E7%81%AB%E7%A5%9E%E5%B1%B1-%E9%9A%94%E9%9B%A2%E8%A8%AD%E6%96%BD%E6%8B%86%E8%B5%B0-%E5%85%AC%E5%9C%926-1%E8%B5%B7%E6%9A%AB%E5%81%9C%E9%96%8B%E6%94%BE4%E5%80%8B%E6%9C%88 Therefore, unsubscribing.
5374702
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第十三座
2~ 3 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
osm.wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps osm.wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
3~ 3 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Nah. We cannot find the "Block 13" in the map. This note is valid.
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I have read that the park is unavailable until October: https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E/60349826/%E9%AF%89%E9%AD%9A%E9%96%80%E5%85%AC%E5%9C%92-%E6%B8%AF%E7%89%88%E7%81%AB%E7%A5%9E%E5%B1%B1-%E9%9A%94%E9%9B%A2%E8%A8%AD%E6%96%BD%E6%8B%86%E8%B5%B0-%E5%85%AC%E5%9C%926-1%E8%B5%B7%E6%9A%AB%E5%81%9C%E9%96%8B%E6%94%BE4%E5%80%8B%E6%9C%88 Therefore, unsubscribing.
5356623
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI name: 屈臣氏 Watsons POI types: shop-chemist amenity-pharmacy #organicmaps ios 2026.06.01-1-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
From Mapillary imagery, we can see the shop space is gone, and replaced by something else.
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Collectively resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186382854 ; closing.
5356624
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI name: 萬寧 Mannings POI types: shop-chemist amenity-pharmacy #organicmaps ios 2026.06.01-1-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Can't really confirm how this was originally mapped, but from latest Mapillary imagery we can see the shop space is gone.
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Collectively resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186382854 ; closing.
5366383
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-06-24T00:53:17Z POI name: 粵廚點心專門店 Canton's Kitchen Dim Sum Exper POI types: amenity-restaurant #organicmaps ios 2026.06.24-17-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Strangely, while the website exists as https://cantonkitchen.hk/ , the shop is actually closed.
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186381979 ; closing.
5391327
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
"Closed." The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-06-24T00:53:17Z POI name: Casa Hotel POI types: building tourism-hotel #organicmaps ios 2026.06.24-17-ios
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We have website http://casa487.com.hk/en_chi/ but also news report https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E/60355351/%E7%B5%90%E6%A5%AD%E6%BD%AE-%E6%B2%B9%E9%BA%BB%E5%9C%B0casa-hotel%E5%AE%A3%E5%B8%835-31%E7%B5%90%E6%A5%AD-%E5%8E%BB%E5%B9%B4%E6%9B%BE%E5%85%A8%E5%B9%A2%E6%94%BE%E5%94%AE
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186381806 ; closing.
5417979
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedJohn Nevzer Avrung
♦28
Hi, the metro/underground/MTR lines are not exactly aglin with real routs, especialy in the cases where is rote determined as bridges, tunnels - not under groud, railway paths. This high schematics presentation is confused and not represent reality. As second in some cases is the railway sa light train or tram showed as metro. For example the norden west district of Hong Kong, where is light trains and also MTR(metro), booth of this transports is marked as metro lines. They are independent in operation but they have same owener stock company with goverment majority. Because in othr city (Prague) is not tram line marked as metro.
2~ 2 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Underground railway tracks being imprecise is a known limitation. Light rail is not tagged as metro.
3~ 2 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We try to ensure good accuracy of railway lines, but there's a limit to that. I see CoMaps has a "railway layer" which contains self-interpreted railway lines rendering that does not match irl shape. Still, how CoMaps etc decide to render the irl railway tracks are up to their discretion, and has nothing to do with main OSM. At least on OSM those tracks are already correctly tagged (e.g. Northwestern Railway is already railway=light_rail).
5~ 2 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
6~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Transit layers are schematic, for conceptual understanding to ride the lines as passengers. Therefore they would deviate into straight segments, and stick to each other at interchange stations.
5417954
Category: CoMaps
1~ 2 months agoopenedJohn Nevzer Avrung
♦28
"In the comaps is this point shown as one metro/MTR station but it is two separated location, you cannot walk betwen Kowloon and Austin station as on one station building - no corridor or direct conection." OSM snapshot date: 2026-07-14T04:20:21Z POI name: 九龍 Kowloon POI types: railway-station-subway-hongkong internet_access-wlan #CoMaps android 2026.07.16-10-FDroid
2~ 2 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Austin is at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6610744414 though?
3~ 2 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
To slightly add to this: Currently on CoMaps, Austin Station is displayed as a train station. This makes sense in local context, but when Kowloon Station has an MTR icon but Austin Station doesn't (and HSR also doesn't), this may be confusing ("station extension"). In addition, it seems at some point in the past, CoMaps and etc can't update their Hong Kong maps (why?). Maybe this issue is already fixed at data level, just that CoMaps etc can't obtain updated info.
5399215
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 3 months agoopenedjau4
♦2
Unable to answer "橋の下の車高制限はいくつですか?" – 耀興道 Yiu Hing Road (一般道(2車線以上)) – https://osm.org/way/264757497 via StreetComplete 63.2: no height limit
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Overall translation: what is the height limit (below the bridge)? No height limit.
3~ 2 months agocommentedNglee
♦1
這座天橋為雙層設計,連接興東邨與東熹苑,橋面距離地面的高度約等同於一般大廈 4 至 5 層樓的高度。
4~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Is this not a normal bridge? What "雙層設計" is there?
5~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Honestly this note can be instant-closed imo. Not every bridge has a signposted height limit. No idea what action this note is looking for.
6~ 2 months agoclosedjau4
♦2
7~ 2 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
8~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Let's clarify the situation before we close this note, lest some time later someone (e.g. me) reopen this for "closing with no comment". @jau4 (who created this note via app) has already edited the bridge to have "maxheight:signed=no". This is consistent with "no height limit"; no signposted height limit exists at this location. @Nglee speaks of "double layered bridge". By street imagery (e.g. https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=22.281019516748017&lng=114.21913074529994&z=18.336078076486757&pKey=379614576696593&focus=photo&x=0.5274136125678327&y=0.34184435178209843&zoom=0.04978463073287828 ) we can see the bridge does have two walkable layers, though this information does not seem too useful in understanding the height limit below the bridge. Legally speaking, HK should have building regulation where all bridges must be built with approx 5 meters above ground. If we want some value of "height limit", we can use the building regulation as a starting point. Closing.
5408243
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedHenryEK
♦42
this is a bridge
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The context is "integrated bridges", ie "bridges that do not have bridge joints". The current convention is "these do not get bridge=yes" but I semi-disagree with this convention.
3~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Where do you get that "current convention"? (Box) culverts should be distinguished by whether there's a continuous structure all around the thing it's crossing.
4~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It has joints. Is visible from remote imagery.
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I observe and deduce conventions, but in this case I have missed the bridge joints. I partially blame the iD polygon rendering obscuring the joint lines. If have bridge joints, then should get "bridge=yes". I believe @Kovoschiz you would also agree?
6~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/849477115/history/6
5362130
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI name: Jabbok Piano Co. POI types: shop-musical_instrument #organicmaps ios 2026.06.01-1-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, no such shop. Can't determine/establish previous correct shop space, so we will just delete the node.
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185995963 ; closing.
4~ 2 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
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5~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
> Can't determine/establish previous correct shop space Try harder? https://music852.com/shop_view.php?shop_id=261
6~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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@kingkingHK very ambiguous for phrase "try harder". Generally a bad idea to use these "aggregation sites" to justify edits. These have copyright concerns (esp database rights) and we really can't guarantee their timely accuracy. By survey, doesn't exist. Now that Mapillary is seemingly back online (why unreachable?), can see music shop was right next to the congee shop (still exists), which then establishes shop space. The key has always been the physical placement in OSM in relation to other features. Again, very ambiguous for phrase "try harder", but previous changeset can be remade.
7~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186007921 ; closing.
5368150
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-06-24T00:53:17Z POI name: Le Petit Prince POI types: amenity-restaurant #organicmaps ios 2026.06.24-17-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, shop is gone. I am heavily suspecting there is some sort of partial internet outage. For example, as of writing, I am unable to view Mapillary imagery, which has something in this neighbourhood.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Now that the internet connectivity is resumed, we can continue.
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/186002051 ; closing.
5130601
Category: Unknown
1~ 9 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
Todo: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1419082513 descriptive name, etc
2~ 9 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It mentions McDonald's. This https://mcdonalds.com.hk/en/find-a-restaurant/ says they have a McDonald's here but it isn't open 24/7. It then becomes "how should we map non-24/7 foot paths".
3~ 3 months agoclosedxingshu
4~ 3 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
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5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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By survey, we do have a McDonald's here (bruh), but then given the popularity of the shop (read: very crowded), it's a bad idea to have this path in OSM, even for inappropriate rat-running. Moreover, the "proper" entrance is just right around the corner. This rat-running path really need not exist.
6~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185997359 ; closing.
5396453
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedicepelican
♦11
fuel=Gold and fuel=Platinum? is it that expensive here?
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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lol Obvious inappropriate tagging. Caltex should have fuel classes that are branded as "Gold" / "Platinum". Honestly if Caltex could pump liquid gold, then your car would have disappeared because the liquid gold would have evaporated your car.
3~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185995680 ; closing.
4744567
Category: unknown
1~ 1 year agoopened---官方路牌警告有山泥傾瀉風險,仍可通過
2~ 1 year agoclosed楊展博
3~ 1 year agoreopenedKovoschiz
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4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
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Controversial but highly practical opinion: OSM does have "hazard=landslide" for this. The wiki page even has an example from Hong Kong. However, OSM is simply ill-suited for hike planning. In the foreseeable future, hikers will still be buying specialized maps printed by authoritative mapping agencies to properly plan their hikes (e.g. elevation, resupply, etc). Even if not using specialized maps, hikers should still pay attention to their surroundings during their hikes, as situations may have greatly changed in short notice, or no notice at all. This naturally includes landslide hazard warnings, which if truly exists irl, would be in visual range for hikers to notice. Be always prepared when hiking. There is therefore no outstanding value to add this into OSM, even if this really exists irl. This would be a different story if the signage is near/adjacent to urban areas. (Hong Kong is urban-centric after all). Closing.
5~ 3 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
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6~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
How so? Just because something should be expected to be seen irl, doesn't mean we can't map it. If it exists, it can be mapped. OSM does not have a notability requirement. No "outstanding value" is needed. I can't believe I have to say this for, like, the third time?
7~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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Why did you mention `hazard=landslide` but conclude it's "no outstanding value"?
8~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Us inside Hong Kong and it being in rural area does not really sound like "outstanding". The notability non-requirement is to encourage people to make edits (i.e., "don't be afraid to make small/neighbourhood edits"). It does not seem to mean we can let these kind of rural notes clutter the notes view. Imagine there were 1000 notes scattered around saying "there is a missing rural feature here". If sticking faithfully to "notability non-requirement" and refusing to close them, then the notes interface is gonna be very unusable. I did clearly state this is controversial.
9~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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"common" sense: It has never been a goal to close notes. The only goal is to resolve mapping errors as indicated by that note. Cure illnesses, not symptoms.
10~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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Why is `hazard=` not "outstanding"?
11~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Rural area is not outstanding. > This would be a different story if the signage is near/adjacent to urban areas. It is also common sense to keep the table clean and tidy.
12~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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1. This makes no sense. The info gap there should be filled. 2. Can you stop repeating this meaningless line?
13~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Very disappointing. Unsubscribing.
14~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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You are free to ignore, or unsubscribe on commented ones. But you shouldn't close them yourself.
15~ 8 days agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
No such sign found irl. Closing.
27767281~ 5 years agoopenedWhcohi
♦239
Small temple
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Highly doubt this; can't see anything on aerial imagery or government maps.
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
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OP has largely gone offline. Trusting existing OSM data, it still does not make sense to have a temple right at a stream intersection far from existing (possibly informal) paths. A reasonable interpretation is that OP tried to describe informal small "offering tablets" sometimes found in HK wilderness. In principle OSM welcomes factual map data, but this small feature in the wilderness does not seem to justify having an open note for itself, especially when the placement is awkward and treacherous to survey, and drone usage in HK is heavily regulated. Unverified feature has negligible impact. Closing.
4~ 3 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
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5~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Difficulty in surveying is not a valid reason to close a note without action. This should be "common" sense.
6~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Correct. Is common sense. However, not gonna be good when things are starting to clutter the list/interface. There is a bit of managerial perspective when it comes to OSM notes, or maybe this is (unfortunately) only my opinion.
7~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
"common" sense: It has never been a goal to close notes. The only goal is to resolve mapping errors as indicated by that note. Cure illnesses, not symptoms.
8~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I don't know what others think about this, but I (unfortunately?) don't share your opinion on decluttering.
9~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Closing Note doesn't solve anything https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/the-osm-notes-ecosystem-possible-changes/145324/4 Having many tasks to do isn't cluttering. This is a UI problem if anything.
10~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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It is also common sense to keep the table clean and tidy. I was about to quote the same post mentioned by @Kovoschiz . You cannot just claim "UI problem" and then ignore the problem. It is a problem, and I am gonna solve it.
11~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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1. What is "keep the table clean and tidy"? You are simply throwing the info outside the window. 2. You should complain to OSM frontend Github, not closing Note. This doesn't solve it.
12~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Very disappointing direction. Individual users should not be responsible for bearing the brunt of systemic (UI) design blunder. But I will just check the linked post in more detail.
13~ 6 days agoclosedQqqhdhdjz
14~ 6 days agoreopenedQqqhdhdjz
14991781~ 8 years agoopened---The route is ambushed and almost vanished up
2~ 11 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
There is already `trail_visibility=bad` after https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/96255409 , which should be enough to describe the "ambushed and almost vanished" situation. Then, resolved, closing.
3~ 11 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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4~ 11 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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`=bad` can be on empty land. Should check the `obstacle=vegetation`, and decide whether it's `disused=yes` or even `abandoned:highway=`
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Observation/question: Look at the mountain ridge. The ridge-top path show very clearly on satellite imagery (brown ground contrasts strongly with green shrubbery etc). However, the path mentioned in this note cannot be observed from satellite imagery. Perhaps the path has been reclaimed by nature. Does this path even exist? Are we mapping hiking trails "because I successfully walked through the area like this" or "because the path can be clearly observed from the outside/entrance area"?
6~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Yes, correct, the purpose of this note is to check "does this path even exist?" Don't tell me you are going to close this note for being difficult to survey.
7~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
There is managerial interest to keep the notes list/interface clean, which may sometimes involve closing very difficult / non-outstanding notes. The impact is expected to be minimal.
8~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
"common" sense: It has never been a goal to close notes. The only goal is to resolve mapping errors as indicated by that note. Cure illnesses, not symptoms.
9~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It is also common sense to keep the table clean and tidy.
10~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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I am forced to refer to a recent post https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/the-osm-notes-ecosystem-possible-changes/145324 > There are frequent disputes in the community over the closing of notes. "It has never been a goal to close notes" is not an effective defense against "keeping the table clean". Do we wish to reiterate the findings of that post or are we gonna focus on dealing with urban data issues? Human attention is always limited; what good are there to keep "very difficult" notes open?
11~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Difficult doesn't mean they shouldn't be done. Difficult is valuable. What bad is keeping them open besides your particular use of the website?
12~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Very disappointing. I believe I should further elaborate my "very difficult" point at Discord. Unsubscribing.
5357832
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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concern: from https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/180536189 , re https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1493588817 Is this path actually usable? @kingkingHK states they could verify the path was reachable from Lung Cheong Road, but only verified for halfway length. We should verify that the lower half is reachable from Beacon Hill Road, and therefore whether this path actually exists, is usable, and its actual conditions.
2~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
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was here a few months ago (around march) its just a slope maintanence stairway. gate is closed at the top. never used it. i assumed i would be tresspassing
3~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
that was from lung cheung road though, never seen if it actually leads down to bhr
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Slop maintenance would be immediately access=private and then case closed. Still, we can see what is going on at the lower side.
5~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Actually I think we should check the laws for slope maintenance paths first. I don't know if there are laws specifically prohibiting unauthorised access to slope maintenance paths, but if not it feels very wrong to apply `access=private`, especially as the gates of some are rarely locked, or simply useless (e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/laapsaaptung/comments/1u5g0k9 )
6~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
theres one path i know about (way/602397676) that is for slope maintanence but the gate is tied open and a lot of people including myself use
7~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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While I cannot immediately provide examples, some slope maintenance paths are green signposted as roughly "no unauthorized entry", which means instant access=private and case closed, which doesn't care about whether the gates are physically open or not. It is unclear whether this case is one of them.
8~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, the lower half is indeed slope maintenance paths. Excluding those, no paths were identified to be going uphill. We will just split these paths up.
9~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Rethinking of access values is still in progress, but access=private or access=no will work here.
10~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
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Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185844215 ; closing.
11~ 3 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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12~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Why did you delete it?
13~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Sorry, I really do not understand. Previous OSM data says "there is a very visible informal path from the low side to the high side. By survey, no path matching these descriptions were found. The changeset does not seem to have any problems. The changeset simply disconnects the aforementioned path from the lower side.
14~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Didn't you say there's slope maintenance walkway? Is there no `informal=yes` between that and above?
15~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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OK, this can be confusing. At first we have https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1493588817 which claims to be a very visible informal path that extends to 22.341001, 114.173138 . However, it turns out at that location it is just a maintenance staircase. You would expect to perhaps see a very cleanly-cut mud path that leads uphill at the quoted coordinates, but it's only a maintenance staircase built onto concrete-reinforced slope. I now heavily lean towards w1493588817 being "it doesn't exist" but then we have two people confirming that it exists (from top-side). The least we can do is to disconnect it from the low-side, because we definitely cannot see this from the low-side, and for navigation purposes this is good enough.
16~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
The stairs could be connected. Or as it has existed before, this should be `abandoned:highway=`
5394365
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 3 months agoopenedMonsterTank
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Unable to answer "Which direction leads upwards here?" – Steps – https://osm.org/way/255289396 via StreetComplete 63.2: This section is closed now
2~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
towards the left is upwards
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Honestly this question is just way too technical to be made available to gamified mapping apps. I don't know where to begin complaining.
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Aside from the technicality, @HenryEK notice the remarks are saying that perhaps the entire staircase is closed/demolished. Contextually this makes sense because we know there are / will be some construction works to improve Po Shek Wu Road. We should proceed by checking whether this staircase really is gone.
5~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
my weekly commute passes through, i can check within a few days the surrounding area has construction barriers for a while and po shek wu has had the central dividing barrier replaced iirc, the barriers obscure the staircase so it will probably be hard to check, but i am just going off what i vaguely remember i dont think the staircase has been demolished but rather just closed and will reopen some time later. i can find if they have an info sign with the planned completion date too
6~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Checking whether the staircase is open to the public is a valid todo. Can be tagged with `access=private` if not.
7~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I would do "access=no" if the staircase is closed due to the ongoing construction works.
8~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
staircase and subway seem to be blocked off with metal panels
9~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
If it is simply closed, then it should be `access=private` because construction workers can still use it. If it is being actively demolished and reconstructed then just make it `highway=construction` and let data consumers imply the rest.
10~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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The access tag topic (pending) is leaking. I will just no-explain re-recommend "access=no" and finish. The explain part is pending at Discord.
11~ 29 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@HenryEK any updates on this note?
12~ 27 days agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
i havent paid much attention but the surrounding is mostly unchanged so id assume that applies to the staircase too
5357794
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-restaurant #organicmaps ios 2026.06.01-1-ios
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Probably for "Angus Steak and Wine" https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9408983817
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, note is correct. Interestingly there does not seem to have any online info of any resembling steakhouse at this neighbourhood.
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Collectively resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185954852 ; closing.
5357793
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI name: Fu Wing Property Agency POI types: office-estate_agent #organicmaps ios 2026.06.01-1-ios
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, this still exists. Perhaps clustering click wrong, but whatever.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Because positioning is bad, and details are incomplete, there is still something to be done.
4~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Collectively resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185954852 ; closing.
24649981~ 5 years agoopenedDixon313Caution on degrading trail type: Joining an easy shaded mid-level concrete path (1Km, coming from Tsing Shan Monastery for CLP pylon maintenance) is a bare mud trail (400m, southbound downhill to Sun Tuen Mun Center). Unprepared leisure hikers may have to turn back here.
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
By survey, indeed.
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Then, perhaps we just need to clarify the trail feasibility, and then we can finish.
4~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed. But for a few hiking-related notes (including this), the mapping could be made much easier with 1996 government maps, which is why I procrastinate a bit and wait until permission to use pre-1997 maps. But honestly I haven't wrote to LWG, and I am pessimistic about a response, seeing that the LWG apparently hasn't met for nearly half a year.
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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iirc Crown Copyright (Colonial Office) is the usual 50 years. Ignoring the LWG, per the Joint Declaration, the Crown Copyright is still in effect. That would put us to 2046. To be honest with you, a clean notes list is much better than just waiting to 2046. I can't be sure sure whether I would be around at OSM till 2046. Same applies to you. Just do a simple changeset and close this. A clean table is better than a 20 year wait.
6~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
In other words: If you are trying to write to the LWG in the hopes of them printing a response saying "British Hong Kong copyright can be automatically invalidated before reaching the natural lifespan by using some obscure technical trick" then I am gonna tell you, this is an extremely unlikely outcome.
7~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
...? Crown Copyright is Open Government License, which I reasonably suspect to be compatible with OSM. This is not an invalidation or technical trick of any sort.
8~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OK, now that you are getting into the details, let's briefly dive in. Who made those maps? (HK or UK?) If UK, then yes Crown Copyright (the OG one), and Open Government Licence. Proceed. If HK, then while it largely "starts off" from UK Crown Copyright, it notably has diverged post-1997. Legal reading is required, but I have some quick findings: Cap 528, para 182 ("Government copyright"). Was the map buyable? Other than that, no obvious trick to use. Seems to follow standard copyright restrictions, as previously deep-dived at Discord. (e.g. "no copying maps" vs "non-resemblance of derivative works").
5304217
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopened---198
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Possibly incomplete work of https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1491526318 ?
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Correction : possibly incomplete work of https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/180258566 ?
4~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@vectorial8192 It's entire possible OP just doesn't know about the house number. I don't know why you have to write a changeset comment to him.
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I don't know why you have that conclusion. Given that the same changeset freshly provided the many houses in the area (with housenumbers!) but missed out housenumber for only a few houses, it is not possible to rule out editing mistakes. Editors will sometimes forget about something when doing long changesets; e.g. happens to me sometimes.
6~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
It does not sound implausible that OP only knew some of the housenumbers.
7~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It seems improbable that only a small percent is unknown.
8~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This is getting nowhere. What I am suggesting is that the probability of OP forgetting the housenumbers is much larger than the probability that the OP simply did not know the housenumbers. Then @kingkingHK how can you be sure that OP definitely didn't know? That it is definitely not human error? I gave example of how human error can contribute to this. How can you be sure that OP definitely didn't know?
5396809
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedHenryEK
♦42
missing english name (?)
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I can see this "rehabilitation garden" is a common hospital facility across multiple hospitals. Multiple references at various websites over many years.
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185827111 ; closing.
5383053
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo: new highway bridge to be opened soon (what is the scope of Route 5?)
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Aside from the (new) scope of Route 5, what would be the (new) scope of the expressway area?
3~ 3 months agocommentedawhchk
♦8
According to video footage, the expressway ends right at the fork at the start of the new bridge section. There does not seem to be any chainage markers for Route 5 on the bridge and the in-between section of Kwai Chung Rd (there is one (14.0 E) on the right side of Tsuen Wan Road right under the MTR tracks). No signs indicating the start or end of Route 5 either. The destination sign still has the Route 5 shield for the rightmost lane but that is not authoritative.
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Videos are not usable on OSM (copyright concerns), but maybe existing traffic notices by the TD can explain the scope of expressway. Still, We can do a site visit to try to see if we have any effective hints on the actual Route 5 scope.
28650341~ 5 years agoopened---This portion of route is blocked.
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
It is covered in dense vegetation, but definitely not covered by anything.
3~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
not blocked* sorry
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We do have "informal=yes" here. We can add in extra "visibility=bad" but given that it is illegal to chop trees (?), it seems like this path will eventually be reclaimed by nature, and then we can just delete it in the future. PS: perhaps the chop-tree laws only concern the country park area, which does contain this path section.
5~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185580534 ; closing.
5379154
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
"Closed on June 30, 2026 (Tue)." The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-06-24T00:53:17Z POI name: 偉晴軒 West Hotel POI types: building tourism-hotel #organicmaps ios 2026.06.24-17-ios
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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we do have e.g. https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E/60367207/%E4%BD%90%E6%95%A628%E5%B9%B4%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2%E9%85%92%E5%BA%97-%E5%81%89%E6%99%B4%E8%BB%92-6-30%E7%B5%90%E6%A5%AD-%E9%96%80%E5%8F%A3%E8%B2%BC%E5%91%8A%E7%A4%BA%E6%84%9F%E8%AC%9D%E9%A1%A7%E5%AE%A2%E6%94%AF%E6%8C%81
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185542711 ; closing.
5189634
Category: Unknown
1~ 7 months agoopened---High
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
(Tooling somehow assigns this to HK; this often happens due to low border resolution, and that's excusable.) Meaning of note is unclear; closing.
5370649
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-06-24T00:53:17Z POI has no name POI types: shop-bakery #organicmaps ios 2026.06.24-17-ios
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Refers to node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4777909123 , which has no name.
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon review, the data is inconsistent. The building is at number 68, but the bakery self-claims to be at number 80. That's not how addressing works. Instant delete.
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185542117 ; closing.
5~ 2 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
6~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
1. It's obviously inaccurate positioning 2. That's not how addressing works. Buildings are commonly addressed with a single number in a range, here 80 in 70--84. 3. Please fix it. Don't delete directly shops directly, especially when it contains an address. It still represents a store space. This makes tracking and updating them more difficult later, wasting previous user's work, and increasing next's effort.
5343890
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 4 months agoopenedcrossrowlatebrain
♦33
"Closed permanently" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI name: Spring Deer POI types: cuisine-chinese amenity-restaurant #organicmaps android 2026.05.27-11-FDroid
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
General online vibes do agree the restaurant is closed/gone. Also, a valid replacement feature is mapped as cafe "Reaction Coffee Roasters" (though self-duplicated). I will just clean these up and finish.
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185541909 ; closing.
5078374
Category: Unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11620433869 What is this? Does this actually exist?
2~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Thinking about this in further detail, I can recall that the somewhat well-known "banner place" originating from the 2019 protests is located somewhere around here. We may try to do some long-distance trigonometry to see if this is a reasonable hypothesis.
3~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
The quoted node was created in 2024 when everything from 2019 should have vanished. But you can try.
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
You never know. To some foreigners, the protests never stopped. We can do trigo.
5~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
By survey, can't find any artwork here. But I won't stop you from doing whatever trigo you wants, so I won't touch the node or resolve this notefor now.
6~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By looking at the 2019 past photos (this gotta be copyright-waivable for being well-known and recurring facts / historic events), the banner trigo actually points towards the lion head at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3965148556 , which is clearly not here. Also, the viewing direction is from the east side. Then yes we can delete this.
7~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185540786 ; closing.
5078375
Category: Unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11620433769 What is this? Does this actually exist?
2~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
By survey, nothing here.
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185540282 ; closing.
4~ 3 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
5~ 3 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Sometimes someone may put some excercise equipment in the wild, then it becomes gone. Could happen.
6~ 3 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
7~ 3 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
But it's indeed low confidence from spammy Organic Maps together with the other `=artwork`
5270671
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo/issue: verify physical separation
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Aerial imagery clearly shows "no physical separation". It's the "chain of laziness". Road expansion works, draw new WIP road (correct). WIP complete, change tags (correct). But then it turns out there are some sections with no physical separation. We can either focus only on this spot, or we do a sectional scan from Sam Shing to Aegean Coast.
3~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not too sure what you mean by "sectional scan", but future reference: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=22.374573389378966&lng=113.98710550320993&z=18.736745870469665&pKey=1016588394374034&focus=photo and other images in the same capture.
5360200
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: LRT stop will be renamed on 5 July, according to online info
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185117821 ; closing.
4434946
Category: unknown
1~ 2 years agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Prepare to reactivate the old platforms (irl construction nearing completion)
2~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Worst case this will wait for YOHO WEST Phase 2 to complete, which is expected to be in 2026.
3~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Online info says YOHO WEST Phase 2 will be complete by March 2026, but by survey the old platforms are still not open yet.
4~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Online info says platform 1, 3, and 4 has reopened today whereas platform 2 and 5 will reopen in July.
5~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
While we are here, given that the rails were destroyed and then remade, I think we should have e.g. `start_date=2026` and `was:start_date=19XX`?
6~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Sure, something like `railway=light_rail` + `start_date=2026-04-24` + `demolished:railway light_rail` + `demolished:start_date=1995-03-26` + `demolished:end_date=2017` + `was:railway=construction` + `was:construction=light_rail` + `was:construction:railway=light_rail` + `was:start_date=2017` + `was:end_date=2026-04-24`?
7~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
(imo too verbose, but OK) Main issue is that we can't possibly have railway=X and then at the same time demolished:railway=X when X is same both sides. (troll-tagging?) imo at some point we simply do not need to keep "was:*=*"; the "was" prefix is to prevent unintended remapping when e.g. aerial imagery doesn't match irl. Here with the lack of aerial imagery (fully covered) I think we can omit "was:*=*". --------- Broader vibes, if as per @Kovoschiz OSM is not a real estate software, then we can consider these rails "brand new", since those really were indeed fully destroyed at some point. My ancient original plan was to place the note, then later hand-draw the new rails. It just turns out Kovoschiz decided to undelete the relevant segments, and here we are,
8~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Yeah, I also find it too verbose, I only wrote that because you mentioned it. Imo all the `demolished:*=` `was:*=` can go to OHM. And then, Theseus's Ship, if the platforms and rails were completely demolished and rebuilt, it might not be totally appropriate to keep using the same element. I haven't checked if the geometry changed meanwhile.
9~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The station is "Theseus' Ship"; "Theseus' Ship" is more about the entire thing rather than the individual parts. At first glance it's not possible to have a different geometry/size, but we can always irl check this.
10~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Ok maybe I fumbled my words, but yeah that's basically what I was trying to say. If the geometry has really changed, it would be a very strong case to delete and redraw.
11~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
If it's only slightly changed and not moved significantly, no need to redraw. Simply adjust it.
12~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Given how the west side has space for a multi-level driveway https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1351494329 I strongly armchair-believe the rails cannot be located at any other place. It's several days now, so the least we could do is to enable the new rails, and then give it to later irl survey to confirm the rails really have the correct dimensions.
13~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
By survey, seems like the station dimension is kinda wrong, which tbh is expected. I will probably summarise my findings in Discord first (Soon™).
14~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Seeing no updates to this note, perhaps I may ask some extra questions. Given that the observed dimensions are different from the OSM mapped dimensions, how different are both measurements? Is it because e.g. the platforms are shifted along some direction, which is not in OSM?
5220076
Category: Unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1104518518 ancient todo
2~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
New towns don't have well-defined boundaries either. Not sure what can be done here.
3~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Yes they have, according to OZP, Census, PDD/PPU, etc. However, this needs to be distinguished from addresses.
4~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I can see this polygon largely coincides with the Town Planning "Tin Shui Wai" definition, but there are copyright concerns on whether we may directly make use of the graphical definition.
5~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@Kovoschiz May you provide more info so that we know what action should be done in order to close this note?
6~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
But what do you want to know?
7~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
E.g. which definition should be used? How to find the boundary according to that definition? Is Is the copyright compatible? How to tag it?
8~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
@Kovoschiz I think the hardest question is whether annex diagrams in legal texts can be used for OSM mapping. Do those count as regular diagrams (not for OSM) or extensions of legal documents (OK for OSM)? When we know the legality, things like checking the correct OSM tag should then be trivial.
9~ 29 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@Kovoschiz any updates on this note?
10~ 24 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Waiting for the geocoder to refresh
5208863
Category: Unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedMateusz Konieczny
♦41,576
唐人茶居 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1566866228/history is it really amenity=restaurant and shop=kiosk at the same time?
2~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I mean, this is not completely unbelievable...
3~ 6 months agocommentedMateusz Konieczny
♦41,576
oh definitely - turns out that sometimes really unexpected matches are real but it looks really suspect if such things are known to exist here, please close the note
4~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Deja vu I may have replied to a note that looks like this before. Basically, in rural places like here, there could be places that double as both a restaurant and a kiosk. The "outside" is the kiosk, and then the "inside" is a restaurant. I would guess the guy decided it was more convenient to describe both of them as a single feature.
5~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
You are probably thinking of https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4745192 ? Anyway, the current mapping seems correct. However, as there are some open notes nearby that cannot be resolved without a survey, it may be fine to leave this open and wait for someone to survey this alongside.
6~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
By survey, it seems like there is a store inside the restaurant. I'm not sure how to map this. (Also, I am not sure if `shop=kiosk` is correctly for mapping 士多, feels like `shop=convenience` more?
7~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It's `=general`
8~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
From what I can remember/imagine, "士多" can sell anything from food (e.g. wheat), newspaper, to magazines and other misc stuff. It does seem to be a general shop. If no big disagreements, then we can proceed with that.
9~ 5 months agocommentedMateusz Konieczny
♦41,576
And for shop in shop - I would map both as separate objects. Maybe outer one as an area?
10~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
That sounds like a swamp. We (or at least just myself) do not know how large the "outside shop" is, esp the back part. I rather keep them both as a single node.
11~ 5 months agocommentedMateusz Konieczny
♦41,576
well, note can remain open until someone can survey this location
12~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
pinging with no notification @kingkingHK
13~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I went there a while ago, and the situation is that, the entrance to the 士多 is inside the restaurant. Or, from another perspective, part of the restaurant has been repurposed to be a 士多. And I think mapping both as nodes just fails to represent this.
14~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This is indeed a swamp. Either we keep it to the single node (current situation), or we do full indoor mapping to properly describe which part of the building is the restaurant-proper and which part is the storefront. The latter option seems like poor use of resources. I will just summarize this thread and add a "note=*" to the restaurant node, to at least document this unusual irl situation.
15~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185534412 ; closing.
4895339
Category: unknown
1~ 1 year agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
Most of the village is unmapped
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This note was created a long time ago. Eventually, one would start to understand/accept that, in OSM, incomplete data is a daily occurrence. For example, the village next door Tai Kiu Tsuen is also currently only mapped as a single (rural) residential area. And we are fine with it. The point of "general stream" is that, if someone can and want to clarify this area, they will/should do it by themselves. We do not need OSM notes to indicate so; at a glance it's still very easy to know this area is poorly mapped. This area doesn't seem to hold any outstanding value or have any emergent situation to warrant an OSM note. Just the "general stream" should be sufficient. Therefore, closing.
31453281~ 4 years agoopenedckyuthere is a gate which is locked by villaget
2~ 1 year agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
At least when I attempted to visit the location of this note today, there was a guard dog stopping people from getting close. Might be difficult to verify this note if the situation persists.
3~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
@kingkingHK do you vaguely remember where you encountered dogs? This may hint towards an area where everything within is `access=private`.
4~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Ok, I actually didn't see the dogs, only heard loud aggressive barking at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3741053486 , and I was too scared to go inside further (have previously been chased by dogs in indigenous villages while surveying before). I have recently tried to visit again via the other side (entering from Nam Sang Wai Road instead of Ho Chau Road), and encountered a gate at around https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5043794717 . Not sure if this is the one this note is referring to.
5~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
They don't call it the Autonomous Region of Yuen Long for lulz and giggles. Re your 2nd paragraph, when you see a gate on the eastern side that's not on OSM, that alone is enough to motivate a changeset. The fact that the (new) changeset is not directly related to this note is not a problem, that's still a good contribution.
6~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
However, upon closer look, aerial imagery doesn't show any gate-like structure on the NE side as described. It seems not enough info to affirm or deny this note.
7~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I mean, a gate practically has negligible depth. I don't know why you expect to see in aerial imagery. But still, my finding of a gate seems to be unrelated to this note.
8~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Depending on the gate material/construction, I would expect a shadow line on the aerial imagery, but I could not find this.
9~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Ultimately, in OSM we trust. Seeing this is in Yuen Long, this note is believable. There are definitely rural areas that belong to villagers. Contextually this area is built for (private) aquaculture though it seems recent years the villagers want houses more than ponds.
10~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185530110 ; closing.
5034335
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed there is a Family Medicine Clinic here.
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Seeing the lack of updates, I'm gonna make an educated guess, that this clinic is a single-purpose facility just like the TSW-N clinic.
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185521230 ; closing.
5386225
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/802069339 descriptive name (?????)
2~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
It's just a dead end footpath source: survey
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Mapillary imagery exist for this area, but some do not reflect reality (nudge). Dead end footpaths are still valid footpaths when easily observable from aerial imagery. Isolated inaccessible paths may be given access=no to better guide navigation software. I will just clean this up. Is simple.
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185490481 ; closing.
5374781
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy舂坎角炮台
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185489793 ; closing.
5374774
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy赤柱炮台
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
There are no batteries here. Closing.
24340081~ 5 years agoopened---Dogistic Limited 一寵愛有限公司
2~ 1 year agoclosed楊展博
3~ 1 year agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
5~ 1 year agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
According to the Company Registry, a company with the same name has been dissolved in October 2020.
6~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Then, it seems we may close this?
7~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Depends on your attitude towards closing notes without surveying. Although I know you might be leaning towards armchair-closing notes from previous discussions elsewhere, there are notes nearby that cannot be armchair-mapped e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5128521 , so if someone decides to visit there they can visit this place too to check if the named feature exists.
8~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The armchair thought is, if the company is closed, then it can't possibly have any in-use features irl. What remains would be e.g. abandoned:building=yes Then, if we don't already have their info on OSM, then we might as well don't do it, and e.g. close the relevant notes. I rather add in-use features in urban areas than to add possibly abandoned features in extra rural areas.
9~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I mean, there's a chance the company that closed has nothing to do with the POI at this location and just coincidentally shares a name. Although this might be too unlikely.
10~ 4 months agoclosedTimmy Wong HK
11~ 4 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
12~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
13~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon further review, we have this https://www.facebook.com/dogistic/ This is evidence of "company activity" but doesn't say much about the company location. Then, a good interpretation of the situation is that the organization "dissolved" and is no longer a registered company, but is still around for dynamic on-call services. Thus, it no longer has an HQ. (The "HQ" is probably a car anyway.) Then, this note is invalid/just an ad. Closing.
5128521
Category: Unknown
1~ 9 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
Todo: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/813803780 name
2~ 3 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
typo needs fixing and requires chinese name only? or is there more to do here
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Name referenced in https://www.lcsd.gov.hk/clpss/en/webApp/ContactAccessDetails.do?lsb=ND&type=lsb&value=ND , which I believe is copyright-usable. At least I see we need to repair the name and also provide the Chinese name. Minimal HK mapping requirements regarding names.
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185418889 ; closing.
5150364
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1213995468 construction finished?
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No idea what's going on, but aerial imagery very consistently show a car park at this location. This is very likely a car park in an "unused land", just the usual mismapping.
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185417079 ; closing.
5188738
Category: Unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6330287444 I doubt this exists anymore.
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
The entire university is still `access=private`; I think it is more likely removed than not so can delete first.
3~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
theoretical possibility of loc_name
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185416384 ; closing.
5188736
Category: Unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: descriptive name https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6309742344
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The feature type is also wrong.
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185415845 ; closing.
5188594
Category: Unknown
1~ 7 months agoopened---There is a new building on construction and will be finished by next season
2~ 7 months agoclosedLarry_marcon
3~ 7 months agoreopenedLarry_marcon
4~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Apparently, the entire university is still `access=private`. I guess we would have to wait until aerial imagery updates this.
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Cross-checking with EdUHK website, we do have this https://www.eduhk.hk/eo/our-projects/new-academic-building-tai-po-campus Anon is probably really bad at geography/mapping because we definitely can see a WIP building at the ESE of this note. We will just leave the "building is completed" event to the relevant access=private mappers, per "general stream".
6~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185415153 ; closing.
5037695
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
Has this construction https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/767852603 been finished? It was last modified almost six years ago, and aerial imagery does not seem to show any signs of construction.
2~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Seems like it has.
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
These houses are marked as "completed" in OSM many years ago. However, somehow the area was not changed to be a rural residential area.
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185413050 ; closing.
5034341
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic (it seems OSM doesn't have this?)
2~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed there is a Family Medicine Clinic here.
3~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Any updates to this note? (semi regular regional note review, to try to close low-hanging notes and declutter the map)
4~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I will make a changeset soon. You might have noticed I am making less changesets recently, mainly due to exhaustion from real life. There are around 30 notes which I have surveyed and can make a changeset to resolve it anytime I wanted to, but haven't.
5~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I mean, I have also slowed down. I now convince myself to don't look at new notes until the previous batch is cleared. Or just create short-lived notes.
6~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Seeing the lack of updates, I'm gonna make an educated guess and armchair-place the clinic at the unnamed building on the north side.
7~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185411542 ; closing.
5214756
Category: Unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
concern: I don't think these are cycling crossings. Or, there is a mapping mistake.
2~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I vaguely remember this is one of the very few "semi-bicycle crossings" in Hong Kong where the cycleway ends right at the road, not a few meters before it as is usual. So simply turning the cycleways to footways like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1418886075 would be fine.
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Given that Hong Kong does not define "cycle crossings", I will just refactor these to be regular crossings.
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185410079 ; closing.
5175576
Category: Unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: new u-turn lane?
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed.
3~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Feature already exists as https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1481293106 ...??? What's the plan here?
4~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
...ok somehow I didn't notice it was added a few hours before I made this note. But its alignment seems wrong; I will make a changeset soon.
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, we do have this u-turn, but the u-turn is very short, I do not think there is much alignment to speak of. Propose closing.
6~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This is a minor issue, and the current data is passable. Someone will naturally review this when doing Pak Shek Kok station in the future. This is in vision range. Therefore, closing.
5366384
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 3 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-06-24T00:53:17Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-restaurant #organicmaps ios 2026.06.24-17-ios
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Referring to node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11395656769 Absolutely no extra info, instant delete.
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185385463 ; closing.
5213335
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 6 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
"Correct place name is SP_CE but the app doesn’t allow _." OSM snapshot date: 2026-03-10T00:09:11Z POI name: SP CE POI types: amenity-cafe internet_access-wlan #organicmaps ios 2026.03.11-12-ios
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Yes
3~ 5 months agoclosedpauline6luk
4~ 5 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
5~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
6~ 4 months agoclosedYogicat
♦13
7~ 3 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
8~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This slipped past our notifications. Is this really done yet?
9~ 3 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Yes https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183597599 I can testify that my survey 2.5 months ago agree with the quoted changeset
5347052
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: closed
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185261476 ; closing.
5376347
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy域多利炮台遗址
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I do not believe HKU has ever researched or deployed artillery systems. Closing.
5376335
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy的撒大
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Meaning is unclear; closing.
5379723
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopened香港注冊會計香港注冊會計
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Meaning is unclear; closing.
5286453
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: review petrol station (duplicate mapping?)
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185260718 ; closing.
5292908
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 5 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
"Relocated." The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-03T01:52:52Z POI name: 大家樂 Café de Coral POI types: amenity-fast_food #organicmaps ios 2026.05.12-1-ios
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.eatcdc.com/eng/main/terms.jsp?id=B2D0P2M0R0Y891E8L1D18188M4G0A802 agrees (Also, you can just update the map yourself if you know about the situation.)
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Remember that not every OSM member is an OSM mapper. Some are advocates (e.g. Google Maps hater), some others are just "friendly neighbours" that uses the gamified OSM mapping apps. Though, from operations standpoint, if a guy can produce a lot of notes via OrganicMaps, then the guy probably should learn e.g. how to use iD to streamline the update/deletion process.
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185260447 ; closing.
5292909
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 5 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
"Closed." The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-03T01:52:52Z POI name: 薩莉亞 Saizeriya POI types: cuisine-italian amenity-restaurant #organicmaps ios 2026.05.12-1-ios
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.saizeriya.com.hk/shop-info/?lang=en agrees
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185260079 ; closing.
5152477
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedHenryEK
♦42
node 5745603464 seems to no longer exist and is just a blank mount where the attraction once was as of yesterday https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5745603464
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Don't know what it looked like originally, but indeed can't find any "railway models" here so this is believable.
3~ 7 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
it was like those minature railways that went around and around from what i remember years ago but now its just a flat surface much like a table with nothing on it from what i found when i went like twenty days ago the area is locked behind a gate
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185260005 ; closing.
5286451
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5286446 "EXXO" is not a known fuel company; did you mean "Esso"?
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
By survey, indeed this is an Esso.
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185259536 ; closing.
5294038
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1505900060 descriptive name
2~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
probable motivation https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5276301
3~ 4 months agocommentedJon Wang
♦40
could www.map.gov.hk provide a potential solution & description to the area nearby? It doesn't seem very precise and i just don't know how to deal with it
4~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
No https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2024-05-13#Ticket#2024040710000103_–_Database_for_importing_license_question
5~ 4 months agocommentedJon Wang
♦40
Fine,but i'll keep that name for reference only(since it's likely havin'a same name to the 岗下 parking area nearby yet i couldn't confirm it online so i'll assume it had an independent name as that anyways)
6~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Outside of the copyright concerns, it's actually ok for car parks to have no names. Either it really doesn't have a name (rural informal parking area), or it really does have a name but that it's too unobvious (e.g. urban area "unnamed" parking area in unused land). Alternatively, we could put the "name" into description, which may be more appropriate than a descriptive name.
7~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed. Further reading: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Name_is_the_name_only
8~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185256327 ; closing.
5327315
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedclsunny
♦1
海下應在此位置,不應在啟才學校附近。
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Refers to https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11009757918
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Makes sense. "isolated_dwelling" should be placed at houses, not at schools.
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185211089 ; closing.
5378014
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: street distortion
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
offender: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185172923
3~ 3 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Why don't you revert it then? https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/185216672
5377884
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: The boundary-crossing facility is not inside Frontier Closed Area?
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
-> access tag review
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Correction: this is its own type of Closed Area. Closing.
5374564
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy鲤鱼门炮台
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Feature already exists as https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5040215422 ; closing.
5374725
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第三座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
3~ 3 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
4~ 3 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Already added `historic=fort` (which can be improved) https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/557930264
5374728
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第五座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
5374717
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第十七座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
5374691
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第十八座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
5374695
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第二十座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
5374701
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第二十一座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
5374708
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第三十一座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
5374712
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第三十二座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
5374722
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第三十三座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
5374724
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedRosy-xzy旧鲤鱼门军营第三十四座
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM in general does not process historical map data; these data should be redirected to OpenHistoricalMap. OSM 一般而言並不處理歷史地圖資料;這些資料應被轉移至 OpenHistoricalMap 。
5366682
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo: it seems this bus terminus is now open?
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We do have this https://www.td.gov.hk/tc/traffic_notices/index_id_87349.html
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184907400 ; closing.
5361745
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedJon Wang
♦40
pedestrian walking zone without border control layers(!) for reference 'cause this place has a messy border structure like the West Bank no matter how you check it from both sides.multi-polygon label shall be kept if no significant construction 's occurred
2~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Are you trying to point out any issues in osm data?
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
West Bank? Jordan River and Israel????? From what I can understand, Sha Tau Kok actually has "open border" policy where approved HK persons may freely move between the HK and the CN side, for neighbourhood cohesion. However this is limited to HK persons that already have the Border Permit, so a random guy from Mong Kok will likely fail to move through this by virtue of "no Border Permit". Not sure how Palestine can help us in this case.
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon further review, this is a cross-border duplicate of https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5361744 . This hints towards a HK-side data problem. As such, I am crossing the line to close this note in favor of the HK-side note, which has a more practical explanation of the situation.
5360199
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: road closure on 28 June
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Armchair time. We will start by marking the affected roads as "unusable" since these are still observable on the ground. Then, when the time comes, we can mark them as "demolished".
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Desync. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184704033
4~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Then, the next step would be to migrate the bus relations. We may survey this to really take a deeper look into the situation to improve the mapping, but it might not be the most important, as per "OSM is not a worksite management software".
5~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Someone did something: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184731579
5300387
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo: physical separation / traffic island ------------- While we are here, an experimental junction tagging method may be considered. The proposed method involves drawing two oneway=alternating ways to form a triangular junction area, with appropriate turn restrictions. This preserves junction topology while maintaining reasonable GPS accuracy for navigation / mapmatching purposes involving Hang Shun Street (west side).
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by your experimental tagging method. Can you discuss this on e.g. Discord first?
3~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
As a heads-up, if you don't clarify what your experiment tagging is by the time I/we resolves all actionable notes (could be in a month or two at the quickest), I will just map this junction the normal way and resolves this note. You say you have 10+ pending discussions and that you have to do it one by one to prevent overload, but seeing you haven't started even one of them, and it appears that you are never going online on Discord, I/we can't wait indefinitely.
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Don't worry, I will just force-revive this when that happens.
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Beyond this specific note, given that new notes are submitted at random interval, it may not be reasonable to expect that we can achieve "all notes are closed" situation.
6~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
97% closed should be top among cities. Germany is 95%.
7~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We are probably looking at the neis-one statistics. For fair comparison we should be looking at city-states (or equivalent), which I can list as Macau, Singapore, Gibraltar, and Liechtenstein; we should not be looking at "full countries", though the German 95% is very impressive. As of writing, LI 98%, HK 97%, SG 89%, MO 87%, GI 80%. LI has best "efficiency" here, but activity is also significantly lower there. Metric has limited ref value. Still, back to topic, give to Discord. The vibe is to ensure the notes side is stable, and then do Discord.
5339859
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/659032301 dead sources, irl mismatch (Dedicated Rehousing Estate); what's going on here?
2~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
By survey, they are really building a dedicated rehousing estate here. I mean, on Esri imagery, we can see the foundations.
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OK, upon review, my big eyes have missed the following: https://www.hkhs.com/tc/our-business/dedicated-rehousing-estates > 其他項目則位於土瓜灣馬頭角及市區寮屋區,目前正在規劃中。
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
My apologies for the false alarm. Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184479435 ; closing.
5346712
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 4 months agoopenedcrossrowlatebrain
♦33
"duplicate" OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI name: N1 Coffee and Co. POI types: amenity-cafe #organicmaps android 2026.05.27-11-FDroid
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Basically, duplicate between nodes https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3771427619 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5182609990 . @crossrowlatebrain can you confirm whether the cafe is streetside or internal?
3~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@vectorial8192 It doesn't really matter. Geometry doesn't need to be exact if the address tags are correct. <rant>What's the deal with mobile editors and low-quality changesets???</rant>
4~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
By survey, it's streetside.
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I was about to say, the positioning of the feature can help with navigation ("should I enter through this mall door?"), but I see you have already surveyed this.
6~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184478978 ; closing.
5323246
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
concern: What does the e.g. land deed say about the access rights/conditions of O King Road? Why not make it highway=tertiary for giving access to Tiu Keng Leng?
2~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
(Note: looking up land deed etc does not seem trivial, and should be tracked as longer-term discussion.)
3~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not too sure about the land deed stuff, but iirc non-residents of Ocean Shores are not allowed to use https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/914594331 , making O King Road a dead-end.
4~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
A very simple proof is that if O King Road can be used as a through-road, then the traffic levels obviously won't be so low.
5~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The tricky part is that, because O King Road is the first car-usable road into TKO, I feel like the land deed etc should have something which grants some limited public access to it. Or that the guys at Ocean Shores has to pay for road upkeep, or sth. Details are unclear. It interacts with the hypothetical Yau Tong - Tiu Keng Leng tunnel project. This is kind of the forgotten historical remnants that can really influence what tags to give to O King Road. What if the enforcement guys at Ocean Shores got it wrong and in fact O King Road should be highway=tertiary ? On-the-ground principle would use the as-is situation, but we can indicate the legal access level somehow.
6~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
You didn't respond to the question. Regardless of how's O King Rd, vehicles aren't allowed between it and Chui Ling Rd, making it a cul-de-sac. At most `=residential` in general, might be `=unclassified`
7~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Question answered with no more activity; propose closing.
8~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Me neutral. The key is the status of the "private road" section, but that could be reviewed as some sort of private interest study.
9~ 3 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
At least, `highway=tertiary` is clearly wrong. Other reviewing/discussion is then unrelated to this note, and you may open another note if you notice a separate issue. Closing.
5346713
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 4 months agoopenedcrossrowlatebrain
♦33
"Duplicate" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI name: N1 Coffee and Co. POI types: amenity-cafe #organicmaps android 2026.05.27-11-FDroid
2~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Dupe https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5346713 Duplicate note complaining about duplicate data. Ironic.
3~ 4 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
4~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Correction: dupe https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5346712
5~ 3 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
6~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Minor comment: Bad network connectivity can cause innocent resends and duplicates.
7~ 3 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
8~ 3 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Correct in principle (I have known this since https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5286293 ), but for this specific case I find it unlikely to be a network problem as the note text is different.
5346741
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 4 months agoopenedcrossrowlatebrain
♦33
"Duplicate" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-cafe #organicmaps android 2026.05.27-11-FDroid
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184393498 ; closing.
5348355
Category: CoMaps
1~ 4 months agoopenedbyhg
♦39
This place does not exist: "Sorry, I made a mistake in editing" A CoMaps user reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-03-21T17:13:14Z POI name: 皇后街 POI types: highway-bus_stop #CoMaps android 2026.03.23-5
2~ 4 months agoclosedbyhg
♦39
3~ 3 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
"Resolve" means the issue (described by the map note) is fixed. Perhaps you clicked the wrong button. In terms of OSM website, the note will just disappear some time later and then we will not notice this issue unless we scan for map notes.
5~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184393265 ; closing.
5351130
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: Shell does not have a location here; new operator?
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, disused and boarded up.
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184390032 ; closing.
5351135
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo: clarify fuel
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184387602 ; closing.
5286443
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4851750173 extremely unlikely petrol station
2~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Obvious Lying to Validator https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4851750173/history
3~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
From https://www.shell.com.hk/en_hk/motorists/shell-station-locator.html we can see there is a legit fuel station down the block. A theory for this is that someone placed the right node at the wrong place (a shop in the fuel station?), and then other people blind-trusted the validator.
4~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
No, there was a bottled gas `shop=` https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=779127392786721 https://www.hongkongssa.com/index.php/Home/Index/CharacteristicMerchant.html https://www.eeb.gov.hk/food/download/committees/fcab/c_SW0150_SW0152.pdf They moved to inner street (map not updated) https://dsg-energy.com/cylinder-shell-gas/
5~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, the "outer side" is now all generic shops. In OSM we trust; very believable the (new) fuel shop is at the "inner side" now. Perhaps the Shell gas sales agreement expired so the underlying seller had to start a new shop.
6~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Granted, I made the mistake of not checking the inner street, but in the grand scheme of things, having a correct feature at the approx position is better than having a wrong feature.
7~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184387156 ; closing.
5352458
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopened---邓氏宗祠
2~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Feature already exists as https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/114392703 ; closing.
3~ 3 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
4~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OSM by default uses OSMCarto for basic map rendering, which may sometimes cause "missing names" due to lack of map space. Explore the large and diverse OSM ecosystem to find a specialized app/website that can render names appropriately. OSM 預設使用 OSMCarto 作基本展示用途,這有時候會因為地圖位置不足而出現「沒有名稱」的情況。 探索龐大而多樣的 OSM 生態系統,即可找到能夠恰當展示名稱的 app / 網頁。
5~ 3 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,284
6~ 3 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Please try other raster tilesets eg with higher zoom, if not different labeling engine, or using monolingual `name:*=` only https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/22.445092/114.009156&layers=PN Or vector https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/22.445092/114.009156&layers=VN
5264909
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: Foot path(s) cutting into a construction area?
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I guess simply a case of mapper mapping new stuff without caring about the existing features. By survey, yeah some construction work going on here, the entire park has been demolished besides a few trees.
3~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The original plan was to armchair this by searching whether there are any publicly announced construction works for this address, and then clarify the area; but OK with the survey.
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon closer look, not enough information. How does this intersect with the parking area on the south side?
5~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, the polygon is just misleading.
6~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184091140 ; closing.
5342638
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: KMB 41M: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/14193642 Validator warning: route scheme is unspecified; clarify "public_transport:version"
2~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184082286 ; closing.
5034355
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed there is a Family Medicine Clinic here.
3~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We do have an FMC here, plus some other stuff.
4~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184053278 ; closing.
5034356
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic (it seems OSM doesn't have this?)
2~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed there is a Family Medicine Clinic here.
3~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We do have an FMC here, plus some other stuff. There are 3 blocks here (A, B, C). Focusing on the FMC, we will just fill in the facilities located at the same block as the FMC. Other features can just be mapped in the general stream.
4~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184052937 ; closing.
4607075
Category: unknown
1~ 1 year agoopened---Sewage Treatment Plant
2~ 1 year agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
There are no evidence supporting this claim. Closing.
3~ 4 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
4~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Government maps label this area as a sewage treatment plant. Aerial imagery also looks like one. We may survey this to try to see if there any signs/names, or just make a changeset if we trust the aerial imagery.
5~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
There is no evidence to support this claim, unless you are saying this site is managed by AA, which means the site is not publicly known and it may be reasonable to omit this.
6~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
If hypothetically there is a sign there saying it is a sewage treatment plant, would that be enough evidence? And if the sign can be found with a survey, why shouldn't we keep this note open to track progress?
7~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
@vectorial8192 1. Evidence can be found for it 2. It had `name=` as something else (which I simply changed to `description=` and correct attributes) 3. The road is publicly accessible
8~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
It's very rare to have absolutely no remotely-related online info for this feature. Unsubscribing.
9~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Exactly, because there's no online info, so this is not armchairrable, so I reopened the note.
10~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
And, whatever this plot of land is, it's so tiny I would not expect any online info.
11~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
https://www.hongkongairport.com/en/sustainability/environment/water.page https://www.hidropolitikakademi.org/en/article/31251/hong-kong-airports-triple-water-system
5341908
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 4 months agoopenedAngus Lee
♦45
"Wrong location. It’s on opposite street." The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-05-27T00:05:23Z POI has no name POI types: tourism-hotel #organicmaps ios 2026.06.01-1-ios
2~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
name:en=Bridal Tea House Hotel There are multiple items right here...
3~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184044550 ; closing.
5286462
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: review petrol station (duplicate mapping?)
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183976581 ; closing.
5296568
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: physical separation; draw as two ways
2~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Aerial imagery is showing something that looks like concrete slabs/kerbs.
3~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Yes, which is physical separation.
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
First, we split ways with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183973843
5~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Then, we clean up relations with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183973916
6~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
All done; closing.
5326149
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
concern: By survey and recent bus videos, the border control area is signposted as "Airport Control Area". Then, what do? Give to aerodrome?
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I haven't looked into the details yet, but first thought: airport control area =/= airport?
3~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
@vectorial8192 Only the part in between belongs to AA (previously quarantine facility)
4~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
@kingkingHK I did use `designation=` https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/30774625
5~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1209353389
6~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The latest situation is that even this https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/639679829 is already AA. That's clearly not the quarantine area. Or maybe I got something wrong again. It feels natural that everything controlled by AA is part of the airport. Then again, I do not recall any airport in the world other than this one that handles both air and land clearance (and possibly sea clearance re SkyPier), so we may need to figure this one out ourselves without asking at the global level. I am leaning towards giving the Bridge (and possibly the SkyPier) to the aerodrome.
7~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Meant the part in between centered around the quarantine facility, not only it. The elevated section is out of Airport Area. Is the indoors and vehicles check plaza included though?
8~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I can't find exact details, but the vibe is that part of the Bridge Area is to be given / has already been given to the AA for future dev and maintenance purposes. As of writing we can see some works going on e.g. the enclosed bridge between the Bridge and SkyPier, but we can potentially wait for future opening to look into this in more detail. Or maybe we have immediately usable information that we are not aware of.
9~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Is it not for Airport City Link only, and SkyPier only? The area around quarantine was for supporting Airport, Airport City, and Expo.
10~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Quoting District Council https://www.districtcouncils.gov.hk/island/doc/2024_2027/tc/committee_meetings_doc/DIDPC/29830/DIDPC_2025_2_TC.pdf para 9, 11, 12, 14; annex 1. Do those count as "attached to the airport" (me think yes)? For example, the Changi airport mall is still counted as "attached to the airport" and is therefore part of the aerodrome, assuming no "in/out multipolygon" laziness.
11~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Skytopia only includes the quarantine facility, and waters. Doesn't say the Clearance Building belongs to AA.
4760944
Category: unknown
1~ 1 year agoopened---Replace the Brazilian term "Ônibus" with "Autocarros"
2~ 4 months agoclosedtengtiao
♦151
3~ 4 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
5324037
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopened---Cheung Tung Estate Bus Terminus https://www.districtcouncils.gov.hk/island/doc/2024_2027/en/committee_meetings_doc/TTC/31505/TTC_2026_9_EN.pdf
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183639194 ; closing.
5324843
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo: physical separation along median (check Mapillary)
2~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183777664 ; closing.
5240345
Category: Unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: Where are the station exits?
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183557235 ; closing.
5034361
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic
2~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, this is a poorly-mapped single-purpose facility.
3~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183548943 ; closing.
4957095
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 year agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By pure coincidence, it is discovered that MTR is quite possibly using "vibe routing" here: TKL LOHAS branch LOHAS bound takes distinct paths per the vibes of the signaling system. Some instances may take the upper path while remaining instances take the lower path. This is highly unusual. Then, would the current mapping be correct? How should we map this situation in OSM?
2~ 10 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Sorry I am not too sure what you mean, could you please elaborate? Specifically, which paths does the trains take? Which paths are the "upper path" and "lower path"?
3~ 10 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
So basically, one day in September I was irl-reviewing some stuff and noted that the train took the upper path https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/485648069/history/8 Later, something else happened irl and I decided to visit this area again, but this time, the train took the lower path https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1428978599/history/1 This is highly unusual/unexpected.
4~ 10 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I want to add that the OSM track layout near LOHAS Park has been confusing/wrong for a long time until the fateful 2-visits discovery that finally resulted in the current OSM track layout.
5~ 10 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Disclaimer: I am not very familiar with railway tagging It seems like the direction of travel of railways is tagged with `railway:preferred_direction` and `oneway=reversible` (only on tracks with a clear normal direction of travel. Then, based on what you said, it seems like www.openstreetmap.org/way/32226078 is used for both train to and from LOHAS Park station, in which case it should get `railway:preferred_direction=both`, which you have already done in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/171679335 (although it also has `oneway=reversible` which should probably be removed). Add that with https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/485648065 having `railway:preferred_direction=forward` and `oneway=reversible`, it seems like the current mapping can express the situation well.
6~ 10 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
See https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/175614946
7~ 10 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Not too familiar with railway mapping myself, but it seems almost all segments implicitly have `oneway=reversible`; why this needs to be stated clearly idk. The idea is that at this moment, `oneway=?` is some value, but for another moment, `oneway=?` becomes another value, therefore `=reversible`. Trains may use "the opposite rail" depending on deployments and blockages. The concern is not on the physical rails themselves, but the logical "MTR service" relations. How do we even describe which rail is which direction when the pathway(s) is/are vibe-based?
8~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I think we can map the relations if we can somehow identify a more commonly used route/main route.
9~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Cf. island platform termini with reversing tracks before the station
10~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The rails were updated some time after my edits. I have a feeling the immediate sections outside of the x-rail is wrong, but that's way too long ago I cannot compare it from memory. What I can claim as "from memory" is that (from TKO) the train "switches to right side lane" without using any railway switch (ie the rails are curving like a proper x-rail), and then reach the real x-rail as entering on the west side. This does not seem to match what is currently depicted, which shows the curve as entering on the east side. aka memory says https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/22.298182/114.272152 should have the rail continue and merge into https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/22.297435/114.271097
11~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Anyway, it does hint towards a possible fact that LOHAS Park station rails are not built in the "usual" symmetric way. We should (re)survey this.
12~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Support a resurvey, but probably wait until we figure out how to properly measure railway curves (see e.g. Tuen Ma Line Hin Keng <-> Diamond Hill remeasurement; have you forgotten about that?)
13~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I still remember the Tuen Ma Line thingy, though admittedly with these many stuff going on (both on OSM and irl), that one simply doesn't "float back up" the task queue. For railway curves we can once again give to the ol-reliable Discord.
14~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Re too many stuff, understandable. I am certainly not immune from it either. But not sure what you mean by "ol-reliable Discord". What does giving to Discord do, when the OSM HK Discord server is largely just an echo chamber of me, you, and Kovoschiz?
15~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Discord is great for in-depth exploration e.g. images and long message chains and topic organization, which unfortunately OSM website / wiki is not too good at. I have general reservations against Discord ("closed web") but I have no effective alternative proposals. One mitigation would be we debate it to the very base level very intensely at Discord (so we cover almost all the possible cases and discover the relevant principles), and then post executive summaries to the OSM wiki for the wider OSM mappers to look at. Now hopefully people are not the kind of "intuition" guy like me and will therefore read the wiki...
16~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
A Discourse forum category requires 3 moderators. That doesn't make sense if all 3 are the main active members. It doesn't have a chat for short questions either.
17~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It's possible to regularly make public Discord content, and Matrix should be possible, but can't see whether threads and posts are supported. May not be the best either. https://yui-kitamura.github.io/Discord2Html/index.html
18~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
In terms of FOSS: Matrix somewhat works (but no threads and posts)
19~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I worded it poorly. Matrix is well-meaning but still "closed web". What I care is that e.g. Google Search can see our discussions and conclusions, for efficient info dissemination. Again, the mitigation / workaround is to discuss intensely at Discord, and then expand the HK OSM wiki page(s) with summaries.
20~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Agree with your workaround, but the HK OSM wiki pages look kinda abandoned. We might want to clean them up first, before adding any new info.
5322545
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopened---Tung Chung East 21st Century Business Hub (aka Tung Chung East Business Hub) https://www.som.com/news/tung-chung-groundbreaking/
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Unfortunately, this is only a descriptive name. As per usual real estate procedure, the real name is revealed very late into the construction work, basically right before completion. Nothing to do here. Closing.
5322199
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopened---2
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Meaning is unclear; closing.
5322197
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopened---1
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Meaning is unclear; closing.
5146803
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Duplicate funicular station "Garden Road". What is the standard for mapping funicular stations?
2~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I think the station was moved recently?
3~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Not sure if "moved" is the correct word. It be like this: For a long time the facility and the tram stop is co-located at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636324517 . Then, afaik around 2020, the tram was closed for a major upgrade, which involved majorly extending the train formation for increased capacity. They found out the historic facility couldn't handle the extra length, and so the stop position was moved uphill to https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2525250101 . However, all other stuff (e.g. ticketing) still takes place at the downhill building. Then, how should we describe this situation?
4~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Then, sounds like this stop has simply expanded, and the platform moved.
5~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon further review, I am half-unsure how to deal with this. It seems the structures on both ends are tagged as "station" while midway locations are simply marked as "request stops"?
6~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
But the midway stations really are request stops though. I don't see the problem, or how it relates to this note.
7~ 8 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Having 2 `=station` is obviously wrong. `railway=stop` should be used on the `railway=` track. The polygon should be enlarged as `area:railway=station` , and a `railway=station` point recreated.
8~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Please see if https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183154394 works.
9~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Late resume; several days have passed. Right now I see 2x Garden Road railway stations on the default renderer. The stopping position mapping seems right (I don't know how that works). The changeset almost got it right. I forgot where I read this, but basically, if we have an area for the feature, then we don't need a node for it. e.g. if we have a polygon for the bus terminus, we don't need to keep a single node alongside the (new) polygon. And most of the time we prefer the polygon because it shows the scope/extent of the feature, so what usually happens is e.g. I draw the bus terminus polygon and then transfer all the data from the bus terminus node to the polygon and then delete the node.
10~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
I vaguely remember a similar discussion about MTR stations, and I think the conclusion is that railway stations can stay as
11~ 4 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
12~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Sorry misclick. ...and I think the conclusion is that railway stations can stay as a node.
13~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Anyway, adopted Kovoschiz's suggestion of `area:railway=station`. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183397689
14~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Now it works. There is now explicitly a single railway station node alongside a single station area. (I am essentially using the default renderer for validation, but eyyy.) But it does seem like tradition to keep railway stations as single nodes. Thanks for the help. Me being generally uninvolved in public transport mapping has made progress slow. Closing.
5179032
Category: Unknown
1~ 7 months agoopened---Learning Habitat Kindergarten (PSLP)
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183436619 ; closing.
5091914
Category: Unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo: bus stop placeholders, etc.?
2~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Someone else dealt with the bus stops in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/176007230 , but I guess we can also reroute the bus relations.
3~ 9 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Community guides suggest doing it in JOSM, not in iD editor. I will leave this to the public transport mappers.
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Recheck: So far OSM only has CTB 793 and KMB 298E, so we will only check them. Unmapped relations give to general stream. Common issue is that the relations don't use the correct refuge island road. This seems like an omission mistake, but should only require minor work to fix.
5~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Bus paths fixed via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183434646 ; general issues (e.g. unmapped relation, outdated details, etc) give to general stream. Closing.
13855161~ 8 years agoopened---King Nga Court Playground
2~ 2 years agoclosedseewhyso
♦189
Location should be at 22.44032,114.16609 and marked already, resolved
3~ 8 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
4~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
The aforementioned coordinates point to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/545203291 , which is "Tak Nga Court Playground", not "King Nga Court Playground" as mentioned in this note. There is probably really an unmapped playground/park here.
5~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Seeing it isn't open to the public (King Nga Court is probably walled with access=private ), I am leaning towards closing this note without survey.
6~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I doubt it is walled with `access=private`; "gated communities" are rare in Hong Kong other than a few posh low-density estates.
7~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Newer HOS estates (e.g. this) are not posh but are walled off and access=private . Try it yourself.
8~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I didn't know about that. But this is built in the 1990s, no? I wouldn't call this a "newer estate". Anyway, survey recommended, especially as this place is not "extra rural".
9~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This is already new in the grander scheme of things. Look at older designs e.g. Wang Fuk Court next door, that one is old because it has a semi-open access control, which allows surveying and therefore has public interest.
10~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Anyhow, this location is easy to get to. I see no reason to not survey this to make sure.
11~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Someone seems to be implying King Nga Court has no gates: https://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=2268280&pid=5395094
12~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, as it turns out, King Nga Court is actually semi-open. Still, newer HOS Estates are indeed walled. There is indeed an unnamed park at this location, but of course it would have access=private here. Given the remote location of the park, are there any public interest in mapping this?
13~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I don't understand. What is "semi-open"? If it is open, how is it `access=private`? And how is an urban estate "remote"? Also, osm doesn't have a notability requirement, why can't one map it if one has the data?
14~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I invented this term "semi-open" to describe a place that is physically open (as in you can find a way in without crossing barriers etc), but have obvious indications that the place is `access=private`. This is different from `access=permissive` because fundamentally a semi-open place is not for the general public. In this case the playground is signposted to be `access=private`. imo this is quite remote; remoteness is a subjective measure, and my remoteness scale is heavily urban-favored. I do not recall OSM having any notability requirements for mapping, but I for one won't be mapping this. A concern is the possible wrong signal to the general public that the park is open for general public. -------- To explain this in advance, my personal policy is to never map private stuff unless I can clearly see them from aerial imagery.
15~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
> A concern is the possible wrong signal to the general public that the park is open for general public. Then tag it as `access=private`? If data consumers can't comprehend such a basic tag then it's their fault. OSM runs on verifiability; if the feature can be viewed from a public space then I see no problem in mapping it, even if not visible from aerial imagery. Also, I might be misunderstanding, but I thought `access=permissive` is used for "private area without physical barriers"?
16~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
`access=permissive` requires "is open for general public use" (OSM Wiki) but this Estate is obviously not for general public use, and is "residents only", so it doesn't satisfy "for general public use". (I call this "semi-open".) My understanding of example of "permissive" are the many universities in HK where it's indeed for general public use, but the guards there can kick you out anytime at their discretion. Things may have changed after 2019, but afaik CUHK requires registration/logging at entry so is still "permissive", while PolyU requires pre-approval so becomes "private". Physical constraints can motivate OSM access tag, but imo it's dangerous to think about OSM access tag only using physical constraints. -------- To clarify "wrong signal", a concern is that the many renderers (e.g. OSM Carto) doesn't render non-path features differently when it is `access=private`.
17~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
`access=` is only about whether you can use it legally, not physically. `=permissive` is publicly allowed/tolerated now, but no enshrined rights guaranteed. @vectorial8192 Carto renders at least some icons semi-transparently with different `access=`
18~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Without physical gates or guards, it is impossible to tell a visitor from a resident, so a visitor can't be kicked out unless a guard confronts him and finds out that he is a visitor, which satisfies `=permissive`. Don't tag (or not tag) for the renderer; make a PR if you want renderers to show `access=private` differently.
19~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
If no further comments I will map the playground and tag it as `access=permissive`.
20~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I am leaning towards access=private ("semi-open") but other than this point, I have no more effective comment.
21~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I have gave my points for making it `access=permissive`, if you have no more comments to justify `access=private` then I will keep it as `access=permissive.`
22~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Lack of enforcement doesn't mean absence of rules. Your point of access=permissive is ultimately not convincing and possibly unfounded. I once again reiterate with the Wiki page for access=private , that the park is *not* for general public use. Features need not be physically barricaded to be access=private , such as in this case. The guards being lazy has no link to the legal (access) status of the park; legally, the park privately belongs to the estate, and the estate has legally signposted that only the residents may use the park. If this is not access=private then you are probably suggesting only military bases can ever possibly be access=private when actually military bases are generally considered by OSM as access=no ; or that only full-closed estates are access=private (e.g. Yu Nga Court, Tung Chung), which the Wiki explicitly disclaims and disagrees as per "no relations to barricades" principle. With risk of personal injury and defamation, @kingkingHK the way you approach this by "they aren't actively blocking me from getting in anyway" is highly alarming and concerning. These days I have kinda come up with a handy thinking system in deciding the access tag of features, which may be discussed and elaborated on Discord later.
23~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Well consider this: private roads with no guards and gates is `access=permissive` (e.g. Cityone Shatin); how is this different?
24~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
As I have found out by I think it was @Kovoschiz , examples like Cityone Shatin with "signposted private road" are actually ownership=private , and has nothing to do with access rights. Then, afaik Cityone Shatin doesn't really signpost about who may use those roads, which therefore finally gives it access=permissive . The "private road" sign itself does not directly result in access=permissive ; extra reasoning is required. Ultimately the example is inaccurate but I can feel a point is being made. This example can be taken into consideration when I prepare the Discord discussion.
25~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Discord may or may not elaborate deeply what means by "signposted private road" but the quick takeaway is that, this is simply an act of "delegation" by Transport Department to delegate maintenance responsibilities to a private entity rather than the next-door Highways Department.
26~ 3 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
After rethinking, I now agree that this should be `access=private`. Resolved viahttps://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/184260921 ; closing.
5036094
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
Family Medicine Clinic somewhere around here supposedly, but unclear how it is affected by the redevelopment works.
2~ 11 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I went there recently, and saw it's in the old building https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/429468747 I would guess it's gonna be relocated into Phase 2 later, so we may choose to ignore this for now.
3~ 9 months agoclosedbpaz709394
4~ 9 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
5~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
6~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon website review ( https://www32.ha.org.hk/capitalworksprojects/tc/Project/10years/Kwong-Wah-Hospital/Introduction.html ), the Phase 2 reconstruction is scheduled to complete in 2029. In retrospect, not the best move to give this note to the future, because the future is too far away. Let's redo this.
7~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183432974 ; closing.
5318728
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/89595505 , etc. descriptive name
2~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183778116 ; closing.
5315594
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: fuel station duplicate mapping
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183412578 ; closing.
5296579
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: bridge has bollard separation; draw as two ways
2~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
This is extra easy because no bus relations are directly involved.
3~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Or not. The bollards (Mapillary) extend towards the non-bridge section.
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
We will start with the actual separation itself https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183032086
5~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
> The bollards extend towards the non-bridge section. Are you talking about the east side or west side?
6~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Primarily the west side. It ends on the concrete platform which then intersects with Fat Kwong Street bus relations. Gotta do it by parts; I admit the task size estimation was wrong, but we will continue doing this. Still, I can notice the east side it ends right as the bridge section ends, but for traffic island leniency the changeset just continues the path separation to the traffic island itself.
7~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Lgtm now, after https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183136566 ?
8~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Lgtm; propose closing.
9~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I couldn't rotate back soon enough, my bad; though arguably Airport T2 has higher priority and importance than Hung Hom. I did intend to work on this, so I will pick this back up. Still, while the changeset is indeed lgtm, we still can't close this note yet because as I later discover while splitting the ways, this has two parts: the west side (by earlier changeset of @kingkingHK ) and the east side (todo). Ideally the east side should not take too long.
10~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
East side done with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183409060
11~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Now, truly, all is done. Therefore, closing.
5312241
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: status?
2~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
What is the status of this T2 concourse?
3~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Under constrution. Read the news.
4~ 4 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
5~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Bad move to instant-close this. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/775198090 - building under construction - already opened on "2026/03/01" I rechecked the news eg https://www.hk01.com/%E6%97%85%E9%81%8A/60270075/%E6%A9%9F%E5%A0%B4%E4%BA%8C%E8%99%9F%E5%AE%A2%E9%81%8B%E5%A4%A7%E6%A8%93%E6%87%B6%E4%BA%BA%E5%8C%85-t2%E5%8F%AF%E7%9B%B4%E6%8E%A5%E5%87%BA%E5%A2%83%E5%97%8E-15%E6%AB%83%E4%BD%8D%E9%81%B7%E5%85%A5-%E9%A4%90%E5%BB%B3-%E4%BA%A4%E9%80%9A > T2運廊登機預計和登機閘口預計2027年才正式啟用。 It mentions it will be opened in 2027. Then, we got an OSM data problem.
6~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Then, you should have made it clear that this note is for the `opening_date` problem. Bad move to imply the under construction status is wrong, while not mentioning at all the issue with `opening_date`.
7~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I mean, take a look, the `opening_date=` was added by a new user with a history of bad/wrong edits. It should be extremely obvious what is happening here. Just do it.
8~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Again, if I had the time to fully explore the situation, I would not make this note and would have just made a new changeset, as per my usual "just do it" call for action. You must at least acknowledge that "problem discovery" is iterative. At first post, I was not fully aware of the concourse situation, and was planning a detailed look later, which may or may not reveal OSM issues. At second post, I noticed that the data is inconsistent, which confirmed an OSM issue. At subsequent posts I am gonna fix the discovered issue(s) for real.
9~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
aka this pipeline: - could a problem ever exist here? (by experience or by semi-regular checking or by rotation); this is referring to possibility, and may generate false positives. - looking at the actual data, does a problem exist here? (self-think the tags) - how is "this" a problem? (check the specs) - can we explain this problem? (e.g. new user) - any known solutions to this? (check the specs again or ask at forums, etc.)
10~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
A good timing for "semi-regular rechecking" is when some construction completes, and then we can check the "adjacent" constructions or existing features to see if the construction is completed wholly or partially. The best rechecking is done by having absolutely no pre-knowledge of the irl situation.
11~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I must reiterate that osm is not your personal notebook. All notes must thus be assumed to be complete and ****accurate****. You initially only said "status", so the only possible interpretation is that you are solely complaining about the osm tagging of the status of the concourse, but osm is tagging it as under construction, matching reality, the only logical explanation is that you wrongly thought it has been opened, hence "read the news". If I had the time to fully explore the situation, I would not instant close this note without any action, because I would then be able to see that there is indeed a tagging mistake. But you must not expect me to do this. You must at least acknowledge that notes are for pointing out issues, not a notebook for you to track your thoughts.
12~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Return to sender. If you and I both have not enough time for further investigation, then best to **not do anything**, such as: don't instant-close the note. For example, look at the many notes that I have commented in the past, and then left for later and still not closed yet. So far I have never viewed OSM notes as my personal notebook. All that I put up here, I have (partial) suspicion the tagging may be wrong. Imagine an alternative reality where T2 Concourse actually opened together with the T2 Hall. Surely your reaction would be different, and you might help update the building tags. Why is that? It seems you are just disappointed that I am consistently submitting "low-quality" notes, rather than concerned that my mind is seemingly "unable" to discern OSM notes from a hypothetical "personal notebook". Let it be known that my OSM planning (if any) does not happen in OSM Notes.
13~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Ok we have gone wayyy too off-topic. Discussion on proper use of notes and better communication is better done elsewhere (e.g. Discord DM). The `opening_date=` issue is fixed with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183451330 ; closing.
5166716
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 months agoopened---the radar station ball thing is being dismantled
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/14Znxy9BWRS/ agrees.
3~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
The technically correct way is to actually walk up the mountain and look at it, but I am thinking we can follow the Facebook post and look at it from somewhere far but appropriate (e.g. Choi Tak Estate), to confirm whether the removal is temporary or permanent. How does that sound?
4~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I have seen with my own eyes from multiple different far-away places that the ball is removed, and it is still gone as of Monday.
5~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
According to local newspaper https://www.hk01.com/%E7%AA%81%E7%99%BC/240231/%E5%B1%B1%E7%AB%B9%E9%A4%98%E6%B3%A2-%E7%AD%86%E6%9E%B6%E5%B1%B1%E9%9B%B7%E9%81%94%E7%AB%99-%E6%B3%A2%E6%B3%A2-%E7%A9%BF%E7%AA%BF%E7%84%A1%E6%9C%89%E6%80%95-%E5%8E%9F%E4%BE%86%E9%97%9C%E4%B8%89%E8%B7%91%E4%BA%8B The radar ball is scheduled for removal anyway. This is believable info.
6~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183159361 ; closing.
7~ 4 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
8~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Isn't this note about the western radar? Your quoted article and changeset concerns only the eastern one.
9~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OK, let's take a closer look to clear it up. There are 2 radar stations ("radar balls"). Aerial imagery, the east ball is the larger one, and the west ball is the smaller one. Also, aerial imagery, the west ball sits on top of a square platform / pad. Then > 民航處發言人回覆查詢時指,為配合日後機場三跑道系統工程放置及更換雷達設施,該雷達站亦將被翻新,因此並沒有雷達儀器在站內。即雷達「大哥」在颱風來襲前,早已撤退。 The attached image does show the big ball being damaged, while the small ball is still fine. Image and text are consistent. The article shows the big ball (east side) has been scheduled for removal many years ago. Removing the east ball should be correct. --------- Then, the confusion seems to be whether the west ball is *also* removed, which I did not consider.
10~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By coincidence, the quoted FB post still agrees that the east ball is indeed removed. There is a hilltop pad which looks like the pad for the west ball, and there is no radar ball on this pad.
11~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
What I mean is, the west ball is obviously removed. One should update that before closing this note.
12~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I see. This is my mistake, should have checked more onto this. Usually what happens is that OSM has the latest info, and then a note comes in describing something new has happened. In this case however, OSM has outdated info, and then a note comes in describing the latest situation. The fault / confusion stems from believing OSM has reasonably latest info.
13~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
aka note comes in saying "west ball was removed" but I misinterpreted it as "east ball was removed" because I was interpreting it as "only a single ball was removed".
14~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
One can see from 2025 Esri imagery that the eastern ball has been removed. But it's fine, we all make silly mistake sometimes; maybe you just didn't see the Esri imagery.
15~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Wait the wording is getting more confusing. To clarify, I did see from ESRI imagery that the east ball was removed, but the base still remains, which I then looked at ESRI Clarity for calibration and made the first changeset. As of writing, all 4 imagery still shows the west ball; this could be the source of confusion. We may only infer by combining with this note that the west ball was removed after the imagery timestamp but before our observation, i.e. removed after Aug 2025 but before Mar 2026.
16~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Should be for real this time. Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183398579 ; closing.
5180357
Category: Unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: station is too small
2~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
for the observers, iirc a question was asked at Discord about "station area" vs "(many) station building parts" for underground MTR stations.
3~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed, I was trying to clarify on mapping underground `building=train_station`, but somehow that conversation ended midway. My plan for now is to buy some better indoor surveying equipment, indoor map a few shopping centres to gain some indoor mapping experiences, then deal with the various poorly drawn MTR stations.
4~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I can't stop you, but face value looking at "better indoor surveying equipment" that does not sound like a good idea. Indoor surveying is either beacon-based (if exists, MTR likely won't expose the beacon implementation details) or rangefinder-based (potentially expensive equipment; LIDAR, laser, or what technology?) There's also a concern that the crowd may interfere with measurement. Also see https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2087499 But yes if you can somehow find a way to do this cheaply and conveniently then you can deduce exact range, and use dead-reckoning to add towards the real location, etc.
5~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Malls can be guessed from the exterior, and interior layout. Stations can be guessed from platforms, exits, and shafts or buildings. Doesn't need equipment to get a sketch.
6~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
There are motion-based measuring devices that creates drawings by walking https://www.moasure.com/ iPhone "Lidar" ToF camera might be the most common consumer device. Don't know how's the apps on Android. But they aren't cost-effective vs an actual lidar. Off-topic: Kwun Tong Line cut-and-cover stations may be exposed from aerial imagery (out-of-copyright now)
7~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
If no effective conclusion, then at least we can fix the station building size.
8~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
"station building size" depends on "what is a station" building, which I still don't know. My plan for now is probably to indoor survey the station, make some drawings and send to Discord for someone else (might eventually be me) to deal with it.
9~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Well imo the size of the platform is the minimum possible size of the station building; ideally this is true no matter what definition you may be using. What may seem like "unused" underground space could then be used as MTR internal-use office. It still checks out.
10~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Tsuen Wan Line uses the standard 8-car MTR train, which has total length of approx 180m. Station expanded to 180m length with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183151725 . Seems nothing more to do; potentially closeable.
11~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
My original plan is to use this note to track my indoor mapping, which I haven't done yet. But your changeset is fine too. I have got a little bit of experience in indoor mapping after surveying Tin Wing LRT; I can try doing the same here soon.
12~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
OK, leaving open, but imo doesn't seem too interesting here; e.g., road crossing need not enter the MTR station. Unsubscribing.
5312369
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1322030181 name:zh of building? or no name?
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Website of one of the tenants https://www.avseco.com.hk/zh-hk/contact : "機場行政大樓2座"
3~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Thanks for the finding. Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183261119 ; closing.
5034406
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Family Medicine Clinic (what should be happening here?)
2~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Probably at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1202258838 ?
3~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Indeed it is.
4~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Redirect https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5309379
4978548
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 year agoopenedseewhyso
♦189
the bridge area got divided up into various pieces as to differentiate opening dates and features. this made the rendering of name is quite clumsy over here. could we try and hide some of the names?
2~ 1 year agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
This is more of a renderer discussion rather than an osm one, isn't it?
3~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
For implementation, there's `bridge:part=` proposed long ago without much attention, only mass added to a hundred. The fundamental conceptual problem here is how to define a `man_made=bridge` for twin , long, and multi-stage `bridge=viaduct` , as the eastbound on the west is new far apart, and longer span.
4~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
(`bridge:part=` is not a good format either, as `bridge=` isn't a feature, unlike `building=` )
5~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
3. The `start_date=` is difficult to define. In OHM, the object's existing status is used. In OSM, often the oldest applicable is used.
6~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
4. Minor note: I didn't bother to draw the whole IEC western `=viaduct` , so doing this is also a lazy hack
7~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
5. `ref=` is another factor that needs to be considered to define a `man_made=bridge` , aside from `name=` and `start_date=` (etc)
8~ 9 months agoclosedbpaz709394
9~ 9 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
10~ 9 months agocommentedkmpoppe
♦3,729
This note was part of a mass-closure without any comment. It was subsequently reopened, as it's unclear if the problem mentioned still persists.
11~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
@Kovoschiz does https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/181152791 resolve this note?
12~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
No, I didn't do anything on them, only `layer=`
13~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Tbh I don't really understand what this note is asking for / what can be done to resolve this note.
14~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
One way out is to start a discussion at Discord, to confirm the tagging method for individual bridge joint parts. Then, we will know how to tag these, and then apply the new tagging, and then finish. private guess it's probably gonna be many nameless parts linked up with a "IEC highway" relation.
15~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Actually, IEC is the name of the road, not of the bridge, which is nameless. Perhaps we can just remove the `name=`, which solves the "clumsy rendering" issue this note is complaining about, then at the very least this note can be closed.
16~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
That's a good question. But I thought IEC is effectively the de facto naming of the structure at the same time.
17~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Citation needed. If you ask 10 people what "IEC" is 11 of them will think of the road, not the bridge.
18~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It's effectively identical here though? If I ask what's that bridge, they will still answer IEC.
19~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
I'm thinking of West Kowloon Corridor, where there are Stage II, and Stage III (Stage IV is folded into Stage I Gascoigne Rd Flyover) East Kowloon Corridor was East Kowloon Way translated into "East Kowloon Elevated Road"
20~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
So I didn't think it must have a bridge-related generic suffix. Cf although Fat Kwong St Flyover is gazetted as the street's extension, it's basically carrying Fat Kwong St.
21~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Looking at named `man_made=bridge` in Hong Kong it appears that (almost) all the names are names of the bridge, with a bridge suffix, including bridge names that are not as well known as the road, where if you ask what's that bridge people are likely to answer the road name.
22~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Clarifying names for @kingkingHK Some roads are not gazetted and currently hold descriptive names e.g. "Wuhu Street underpass" but then we can find ancient (government) documents using those names. This doesn't fully fit the OSM "map what can be seen on the ground" principle but we can't dispute the official informal endorsement. Re bridge/road naming: It's the same old "both sides intertwine" theme again. Planning wants a road, gives it to engineering, and then a bridge gets built. The road (logical / conceptual) shares the same name as the bridge / structure (physical), and both sides can't separate. Bridges (or bridge joints) can have refs but obviously refs aren't names.
23~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Or maybe I have misunderstood the bridge joint tagging.
5025035
Category: Unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Sing Mun River has fixme, presumably about boat access. However, afaik, there are no legal restrictions about boat access.
2~ 9 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Well, if boats are not allowed, then https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/493816164 would not exist.
3~ 9 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Indeed. My vibe is that, the guy is misunderstanding "physical constraints" with "legal restrictions". Clearly the river cannot support e.g. yacht-boats with their high sails, but one may always try.
4~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Wait, fixme was raised by Kovoschiz; discussion needed.
5~ 8 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
Someone added `boat=no` in Fo Tan, which seems a mistake https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32559690 Originally it may have been `=drain` for being reclamation and channelized. That may not be considered accessible by default.
6~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Well, at least for Shing Mun River, `boat=no` should be wrong. We can remove it, alongside with the `fixme=`.
7~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I will remove `boat=no` and `fixme=` from Shing Mun River if no further comments.
8~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
No comments from me. I will only add that at extremely low tides it does become physically boat=no because this just transforms into a ditch (this is technically / structurally an extra wide ditch), but this doesn't happen every year and so the info does not sound like good candidate to be put into OSM as if regular occurrence.
9~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183345102 ; closing.
5305499
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6705233079 suspicious traffic signals
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Same poor import. Imo just delete it. (Side note: why wasn't that undiscussed import reverted??? I think @Kovoschiz was there when it happened)
3~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
This is only outdated. There was an intersection here where Wui Man Rd is connected with Austin Rd.
4~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Wasn't that intersection already closed at the time that import happened (2019)? Anyhow, it just shows how low-quality it was. Seeing the intersection has been removed, just delete it. Resolved viahttps://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183109836 ; closing.
5286470
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: review petrol station (confusing layering)
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
> `layer=-1` Classic. iD users picking a random option in the warning box to make the validator shut up. Same as what the maproulette users did in March. I would just fix it, without further thinking.
3~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182981837 ; closing.
5286471
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: review petrol station (duplicate mapping?)
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon review, I read the graph/map wrong. Nothing to do here.
5141141
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: this has been converted to a roundabout
2~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Aerial imagery has some hints of conversion work. Do you have more info on the specs of the roundabout, e.g. any slip roads for which directions?
3~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
No slip roads; just a simple one-lane roundabout. And yeah, I guess you noticed that I really don't resolve notes very often, even for some of the more trivial ones. I just have too many things to do, both irl and in osm. Also, another thing is that updating this to a roundabout would require changing the bus relations, but many in this area are broken beyond repair and I simply have no option but to redo it entirely, and I really don't want to do that. You might have experienced how it feels when dealing with Wo Yi Hop Road recently. Anyway, I will deal with this note myself. Within one week max. I will try to spend more time on resolving notes.
4~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Re "too many things", understandable. Re "change bus relation", my take is to limit the scope. If the relation is broken before we touch it, then we only need to ensure the part that we are editing (the segments at the roundabout) is not broken. We can have the generosity to also fix the entire relation (re "might as well") but again that's not a hard requirement. We have our own circumstances, but the team-aspect issue with "confirm but no action" is that e.g. I cannot decide the following: - you really forgot, and I can/should do it - you are already cooking at JOSM, so I should stay away and do another note
5~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Yeah, now I do see the problems with "confirm but no action". Actually nowadays I am reluctant to even do the "confirm" part by sending a useless message (e.g. "yes" "correct" "indeed there is a FMC here") to prevent bombarding your email inbox. But I can tell you that I have no WIP note-related changesets outside of HKI, so you don't need to worry about the latter here in e.g. Yuen Long. In the long term, maybe we could somehow split our work area or coordinate beforehand to prevent conflicts? I could send you pictures from my surveys if you need them.
6~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Coordination, splitting, experiences etc is best discussed e.g. in Discord. (Soon™)
7~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I have deduced a possible arrangement of the roundabout in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182749069 ; please see if it works. If it works, then the next step is to reroute the bus relations to use the roundabout and close this note. The old T-shape junction is kept because older imagery still describes them as such, to prevent accidental remapping.
8~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I completely forgot about this note. Sorry! Your sketch looks a bit different from my memory, but it's good enough. Still, from recent bus videos, it seems like quite a lot has changed since my last visit; we should probably either contact the video owner and ask for permission for using it in osm, or visit this place again ourselves. But topologically the current sketch is fine, so we can begin work on transferring the bus relations.
9~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Re irl changes, not too surprising considering the current trend/direction of developing Kam Tin. This can be done in the "general stream", so to speak. (It seems unlikely I will contact the bus video owners for this.)
10~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Eventually after some thoughts I decided to deal with https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5296588 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4917522 first before transferring bus relations, as those two notes will also involve bus relations. Agree with your notion of "general stream". Whether bus video owners should be contacted really depends on whether one of us is able to survey this place.
11~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Desync! Bus relations cleaned up with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182786155 ; all done. Holding open, but I think there is nothing more to do specifically for this junction, and this specific note is close-able.
12~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
quoted changeset lgtm, but as I said I suspect the geometry of the roundabout is off, so imo can't close it yet. (Maybe I misunderstood what you meant with general stream)
13~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
To clarify, "general stream" is another term/topic that I am self-coining to understand OSM. Basically, it's the "every day mapping". Casual user clicks at e.g. StreetComplete. New building; draw it and done. Position slightly off; move it and done. It may not be fully correct but for most purposes it is passable. eg the exact coordinates may be a bit off, but map-matching / navigation won't notice it. These are the kind of situation where the changeset can be made in e.g. < 5 mins. Other situations may require escalation into e.g. OSM Notes because e.g. the way forward is not obvious. eg ancient note at the TST Space Museum trying to see what kind of museum it is. Specific to this note, if the note wants a roundabout, then we now have a roundabout. At minimum, whether the roundabout is too big / small seems like can be given to near future because map-matching won't notice it, and some time later we are expecting newer aerial imagery anyway and then it is doable by anybody very quickly / easily.
14~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
(Why do I feel like this has entered some sort of deadlock...) Basically, if @kingkingHK you can remember / provide the geometry in the short future, then nice, do add them and then we can really close this. If not, then not too bad because the as-of-writing geometry is OK, and future aerial imagery will show the roundabout anyway. This is located at a somewhat frequently mapped area (BBI) so I am not too worried we collectively "forget" about the need to provide updated geometry. I only hold open because of the desync, just in case there's something more to discuss. Or maybe the plan is to provide the geometry as part of the work on Pat Heung Road bridge, idk.
15~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Ok fine, I was mainly worried that we would really collectively forget about this, but if you say we won't then we can close this.
5270549
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 5 months agoopenedvbertola
♦4
"Duplicate with no data" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2026-04-04T03:36:32Z POI has no name POI types: amenity-restaurant #organicmaps android 2026.04.07-8-Google
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182979226 ; closing.
5286291
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/813139621 "Feoso" is not a known fuel company; data mistake?
2~ 4 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
is feoso not a fuel company? i remember a building with their name near lai chi kok
3~ 4 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
see https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/217283057 this station being feoso could be possible but il have to check some time later this week
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
(We have more info at Discord) The main issue is that I somehow cannot confirm whether Feoso is legit; they seem to be exiting the market, but some irl features still refer to it, and the website is basically "now WIP; check back later". And very unusually, no Wiki article for this. We can look at the 5 fuel company websites to determine which one(s) is/are running this petrol station. Will do this Soon™.
5~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182978580 ; closing.
5286430
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/736802187 "Eco" is not a known fuel company; outdated info?
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I think, "eco" is referring to the dedicated LPG filling station? https://www.emsd.gov.hk/en/gas_safety/lpg_vehicle_scheme/auto_lpg_prices/index.html
3~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
@vectorial8192 It's you don't know. They existed before. Exited the market. It's Towngas.
4~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,284
@kingkingHK It's not an adjective "eco" for eco-friendly. It's a noun. `brand:en=Eco`
5~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Whatever happens, if this "Eco" company exited the market, then this "Eco" info is outdated and the fuel station should be updated with the info of the current operator/brand. This can be done by checking the (online) shop lists of the existing 5 fuel companies.
6~ 4 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦42
I remember this gas station changed owners to some red and white brand a year or two ago. Last time I was down here was january and it was still red
7~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Red/white is SINOPEC or Esso, and the website https://www.sinopechongkong.com/retail_hk/driver_oil_network agrees.
8~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182974426 ; closing.
5302548
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopened---Our Centre
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes > For example never create notes such as "I was here on Saturday" or "There was a crime at this location". > 例如,千萬不要創建諸如“我星期六來過這裡”或“這裡發生過犯罪事件”之類的筆記。 To share an OSM location, please see: 如需分享一個OSM的位置,請參考: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
3~ 4 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦526
4~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
@vectorial8192 I appreciate the attempt at communicating, but seeing this note was created by an anonymous user, you are practically talking to the void here.
5~ 4 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
6~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I am following @Kovoschiz 's practice. Not fully appropriate to claim "void". One possible scenario is that an anon made this note, and then use the note URL to give to people. Then, either the same anon or the recipients will see this note *and the extra comments "that's not how you use notes"*, and hopefully habits will change. Normally this note is instant-closed, but with this extended discussion, leaving this open for a bit longer then.
7~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Ok, understandable. Close this?
8~ 4 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,284
It's simply to close it with a comment. Not hoping for resposne.
5164303
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
substation=substation seems redundant
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Taginfo says only 608 uses of `substation=substation` worldwide with no major data consumer using it; shouldn't have any effects if we just remove it.
3~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Upon review via Overpass Turbo, there's a lot of this usage in Hong Kong. I may be onto something big: are all those usages redundant? How does this interact with e.g. OpenInfraMap?
4~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I wouldn't call 86 a lot. Also, most of them were added by the same few users (Xavier Fung and tommydragon). Not indicative of anything imo.
5~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Can observe/confirm this tag is picked up by OpenInfraMap for display purposes. Hmmm.
6~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
...I can't notice how OpenInfraMap renders this differently than any other substations. May you provide more info?
7~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I have not really determined whether this tag positively influences rendering, or that OpenInfraMap already renders this feature due to power=substation.
8~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Seeing that it renders identically with other `power=substation`s, I'd say it does not influence render. I.e. useless tag.
9~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
If no further discussion I am inclined to simply remove all `substation=substation`.
10~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I have nothing to add. This was only discovered while I was looking in detail at the railway.
11~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183352652 ; closing.
5141822
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/444187633 feels like a descriptive name, but I'm not sure. (Also, it should probably be "Ventilation")
2~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By survey, I can't get into here (poor/incomplete OSM data), but I intuitively believe the description.
3~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
I have surveyed there in the past also can't get there. But seeing both government maps and wikipedia describe this building is a ventilation shaft for Tate's Cairn Tunnel, I think we can just move the `name=` into `description=`.
4~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182963664 ; closing.
5150201
Category: Unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦526
todo: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/171944114 `access=yes` but `foot=no` `bicycle=no` `motor_vehicle=no`? So who can use it? If no gate as https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4104680 said , how is it `=no`? Which one is correct?
2~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I think there were ancient notes at this location which may be relevant to this. @kingkingHK seeing you can somehow know/check they exist and can revive them, go have a look at those ancient notes.
3~ 8 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
There are https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4104676 https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4104681 https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4104680 which are indeed relevant, but I don't see any additional value they provide in clarifying the current confusing tagging. P.S. to check ancient notes, try getting better-osm-org from https://github.com/deevroman/better-osm-org , going to Layers > Map Notes > set "All Notes"
4~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
My armchair says that the road is ownership=private
5~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
My in-detail armchair says this is a mapping mistake. Water facilities are basically closed from the public. Checking feature history, we can see that the feature started as the internal road of the facility, and then was extended and clarified. The key is that the clarification describes the internal roads separately from the external roads but did not properly clean up the tags.
6~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182940740 ; closing.
5286465
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261873910 "Mobil" is not a known fuel company; did you mean "Esso"?
2~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182936685 ; closing.
5286438
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
todo/issue: petrol station review
2~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
e.g., duplicated mapping?
3~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
By website, there really is 2x same brand here. (wait for NSI preset)
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,535
I suddenly remember, NSI update timings are generally unpredictable. For convenience and task progress, can use existing NSI data for now.
5~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,535
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/182935120 ; closing.
5297353
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7186040 Validator warning: unusual value of distance ----------- Also, this bus relation is very broken.
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Actually I can't even reproduce that value for distance... Anyway, am cooking at JOSM. Will upload changeset tomorrow. Please don't touch the any bus relations or roads in this area in the mean tie in order to prevent a merge conflict.
3~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183109341 ; closing.
5292869
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,535
issue: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6705014448 suspicious traffic signal
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦526
Should be referring to the Shau Kei Wan Road / Chai Wan Road / Aldrich Street junction. Same poor import that we dealt with before.
3~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦526
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/183153560 ; closing.