| Note | # | ⏱️ Last updated | Event | Contributor | Comment |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 5271373 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 1 month ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | The preferred direction tag seems to be opposite direction. Or the way has been drawn in opposite direction. Preferred direction should be left, not right? Between Dampoort and Y. Oost Ledeberg. |
| 2 | ~ 1 month ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | OK, we reversed the direction of the tracks, they are now drawn in the same direction as railway traffic. | |
| 3 | ~ 1 month ago | reopened | M_V_W ♦59 | ||
| 4 | ~ 1 month ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Sorry, Line 58/1 is also still in the reversed direction (between Y.West Ledeberg and Y.Noord Ledeberg) | |
| 5 | ~ 1 month ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | As well as the part between Y.Oost Ledeberg and Y.Noord Ledeberg | |
| 6 | ~ 1 month ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | Done. | |
| 5271438 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 1 month ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | Someone really messed up the map here. Stopping positions are falsely merged and so are the track. |
| 2 | ~ 1 month ago | closed | Jakka ♦33,854 | los gemaakt nog iets fout ? | |
| 5251882 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 1 month ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | Looks like the stopping positions and platform references got mixed up. The northern stop should be two, southern one? |
| 2 | ~ 1 month ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | Platform 1 to Manage, platform 2 to Marche-lez-Écaussines. | |
| 5250294 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 1 month ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | The line refs in the brussels north-south are tagged: L01, L02 and L03. In fact all three are line 0. With sublines 0-6. The current 01-03, reference the tunnel numbers, not the railway lines. Suggest to correct the line refs in accordance with the Open Data: L0/1 - L0/6 https://opendata.infrabel.be/explore/dataset/lijnsecties/map/?disjunctive.label&disjunctive.ecs_voltfreq&disjunctive.ecs_maxtraincurrent&disjunctive.ecs_maxstandstillcurrent&disjunctive.ecs_minwireheight&disjunctive.ls_id&location=19,50.84234,4.35113&basemap=jawg.streets |
| 2 | ~ 1 month ago | commented | multimob ♦351 | Good suggestion. Done! | |
| 3 | ~ 1 month ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | . | |
| 5102766 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 5 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | start etcs L2 southbound |
| 2 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | kabelhaai ♦2,493 | Is this the final piece to 100% coverage? What about osm coverage, how is this reflected in osm data. | |
| 3 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | bxl-forever ♦5,799 | There are already mappers (like @Sikal) who are patiently doing this tedious work of comparing open data from Infrabel with other sources to update OSM with correct data. I don’t think that flooding the map with notes saying "ECTS here, ECTS here" is useful. It will just make everyone’s work more complicated. | |
| 4 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | How does providing accurate data make something "complicated" ? How is providing all necessary information "flooding the map"? The only two notes that are not starting points, are there to make it easier and avoid confusion. I am well aware of Sikals work. Thanks. Oh and btw, it was on a fellow mappers requested to provide the data this way. Pin with start. Pin with end. Happy mapping. | |
| 5 | ~ 5 months ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | Done. | |
| 5102782 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 5 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | etcs L2 both directions |
| 2 | ~ 5 months ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | Done | |
| 5102781 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 5 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | start etcs L2 northbound |
| 2 | ~ 5 months ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | Done. | |
| 5102779 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 5 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | ETCS L2 northbound |
| 2 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | Thierry1030 ♦6,242 | hello, thanks for your notes ... can you map this yourself? | |
| 3 | ~ 5 months ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | Done | |
| 5102778 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 5 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | ETCS L2 in all directions |
| 2 | ~ 5 months ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | Done | |
| 5102776 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 5 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | ETCS L2 southbound |
| 2 | ~ 5 months ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | Done | |
| 5102752 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 5 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | ETCS L2 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joeri-minne-7198902_infrabel-tucrail-siemens-ugcPost-7405833457513222144-6pWa/ |
| 2 | ~ 5 months ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | Done. | |
| 5102683 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 5 months ago | opened | --- | Yearlong fixme: "Temporary logical connector because route S3 to Geraardsbergen must "jump" from Midi/Zuid track 11 to the track to Hal track 3 somewhere; please remove if you can reliably fix route S3" |
| 2 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | It looks like this route simply takes L50A and then 96B like so: https://signal.eu.org/osm/#locs=50.835568,4.335517;50.734058,4.240766 | |
| 3 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | My mistake, like so: https://signal.eu.org/osm/#locs=50.835568,4.335517;50.816009,4.309666;50.734058,4.240766 | |
| 4 | ~ 5 months ago | closed | multimob ♦351 | OK we can change it. | |
| 4568267 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 1 year ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | https://www.google.com/maps/@50.6790181,5.3184991,3a,15y,66.89h,100.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTMi-lswq5RxvfwFHS5rPnQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-10.937205107360015%26panoid%3DTMi-lswq5RxvfwFHS5rPnQ%26yaw%3D66.88682755007848!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D A/BX800 Start of ETCS L1 eastwards. No ETCS westwards. |
| 2 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | Thierry1030 ♦6,242 | "The Google Maps Terms of Use explicitly forbid using Google Maps content - both map data and Google Street View - for making any other content. It includes using them for OSM mapping. " https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google | |
| 3 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | Thierry1030 ♦6,242 | can you add an other source? (your own image?) | |
| 4 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Hi Thierry, I am the source. The image only shows the location of the signal. It does not show anything related to ETCS because it is too old. The signal is at km80.842 you can cross check the location using https://amdm-web.infrabel.be/ | |
| 5 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | correction 80.042 | |
| 6 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | Sikal ♦24 | Hello M_V_W, The image you present does not reflect reality, as it dates from July 2023. Today, both signals A800 and BX800 have an ‘ETCS1’ sign marking the start of the ETCS 1 FS zone. As Thierry explained, we're not supposed to use Google Street View images for OSM, although I know many do because they're of high quality. Generally speaking, mapping such attributes is not feasible with street images. To keep you informed about the deployment of ETCS in Belgium, here are two sources: - https://opendata.infrabel.be/explore/dataset/geo-etcs/ - Annex C-06 of the Infrabel DRR (https://infrabel.be/fr/networkstatement) Later, the Bleret - Leuven section will be equipped with ETCS 2 FS. Hoping to have informed you better, do not hesitate if you have further questions! :-) (translated from French with Deepl) | |
| 7 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | As explained previously you do not need the image. You can get the location of the signal using the amdm website, and derive its physical location from there. Since I am marking this as the beginning of ETCS L1, this signal indeed has a ETCS L1 marker board. It does not in the image since this the ETCS commisionning was after the image's date. By the end of 2025 all main lines will be equipped with ETCS. | |
| 8 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | The sources you mention are also not up to date as currently 79 percent of the network is equipped. | |
| 9 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | Sikal ♦24 | Note that in this case, the ETCS zone extends as far as the first signal bearing a crossed-out ‘ETCS’ plate. In the current situation, signals B779 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12410995114) and AX779 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12410995115) carry this plate. I've already mapped them As for the sources, I know they're not always up to date but they're the most accurate sources available to the public. Otherwise, getting to know train drivers is the best way of obtaining information about the infrastructure because they have to know it well ;-) Given that the current situation is the right one and that no changes are required, I suggest closing the note. :-) | |
| 10 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Note that in this case, the ETCS zone extends as far as the first signal bearing a crossed-out ‘ETCS’ plate. In the current situation, signals B779 This is correct and I was aware of it. However, if you are driving in the opposite direction, you musn't drive in ETCS until my position. This difference can be up to 2 sections and thus 2-3km. It just depends on how you want to label it. In the direction of landen, you are correct, in the direction of Ans, I am. To me it seems logical to take the marker (start) board as this is the most restrictive. | |
| 11 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | The signals K-C.45 and KX-C.45 (in the direction of Waramme) at 76.005 also have a crossed out ETCS plate. How would you explain the zone ends at your location and not mine, since both have a crossed ETCS plate. | |
| 12 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Clarification: The signals K-C.45 and KX-C.45 (in the direction of Waramme) at 76.005 also have a crossed out ETCS plate. How would you explain the zone ends at your location and not K-C/KX-C, since both have a crossed ETCS plate. | |
| 13 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | Sikal ♦24 | The reality is more complex, but I'll keep it simple: The crossed-out ETCS sign tells the driver that beyond this sign, he is no longer in the ETCS zone (the transition must have taken place upstream of this sign). In certain anomalies in the ETCS -> TBL1+ transition, the train may be stopped by emergency braking between the first ETCS crossed sign and the second. In this case, the driver must drive in a certain ETCS mode (Staff Responsible) up to the foot of the second signal where he will manually make the transition to TBL1+. The second ETCS crossed sign is therefore only useful in degraded situations and is not part of the ETCS zone which stops at the first signal with the ETCS crossed sign ;-) | |
| 14 | ~ 1 year ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Thanks! Didn't know that. Ill see if I can find some documentation on that since I still find it weird that he would have to drive in SR, outisde the ETCS zone. Or is this simply because E377 tells them to select SR? But then in a TBL-only zone SR doesnt make sense either. I do still think that the more restrictive a better representation, but I won't die on that hill. The Masterplan has Momalle as start of ETCS L2 *shrug* | |
| 15 | ~ 11 months ago | commented | kabelhaai ♦2,493 | Hello MVW and Sikal. Does anything nees to be changed here still? | |
| 16 | ~ 11 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Let's keep it 'as is' until the second part of this line gets its upgrade to L2, before the end of the year. | |
| 17 | ~ 11 months ago | commented | kabelhaai ♦2,493 | Sure. Do you want this note to be open or is that L2 upgrade another topic or note | |
| 18 | ~ 11 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | L2 will resolve the issue of this note, so lets keep it open. | |
| 19 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | Sikal ♦24 | On 12 October, the ETCS L2 will be put in service on L21 and L36 between Remicourt and Leuven (excluded). | |
| 20 | ~ 7 months ago | closed | M_V_W ♦59 | https://www.linkedin.com/posts/thibaultdraye_etcs-railsafety-signalling-activity-7382966305286496256-TUWk Service! L2 richting Leuven start aan jouw punt in Bleret. L1 richting Momalle op het mijne 😎 | |
| 21 | ~ 7 months ago | reopened | Sikal ♦24 | ||
| 22 | ~ 7 months ago | closed | Sikal ♦24 | Completed with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/173546327 | |
| 4985873 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 8 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | start etcs L1 eastbound |
| 2 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Continue etcs l1 northbound https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joeri-minne-7198902_masterplanetcs-topteams-borderconnection-ugcPost-7378044651095896065-1bAX | |
| 3 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | Sikal ♦24 | Completed with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/172862412 However, the LinkedIn post shows a French signal with a Start of ETCS Level 1 Full Supervision zone sign. Could it be located and tagged correctly? | |
| 4 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | I was not able to locate the signal | |
| 4985874 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 8 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | Continue etcs l1 northbound https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joeri-minne-7198902_masterplanetcs-topteams-borderconnection-ugcPost-7378044651095896065-1bAX |
| 2 | ~ 8 months ago | closed | Sikal ♦24 | Completed with osm.org/changeset/172862412 | |
| 4950402 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 9 months ago | opened | --- | Start ETCS L1 (LS) eastbound (as is) Everything west ETCS L2 (to be) |
| 2 | ~ 9 months ago | closed | Jakka ♦33,854 | etcs 1 or 0 to 2 until Puurs | |
| 3 | ~ 8 months ago | reopened | M_V_W ♦59 | ||
| 4 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | From ping to Puurs, lets only put L2 here. The only places with both L1+2 are two HSL lines. | |
| 5 | ~ 8 months ago | closed | Jakka ♦33,854 | Send PMessage | |
| 6 | ~ 8 months ago | reopened | Sikal ♦24 | ||
| 7 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | Sikal ♦24 | Hello, ETCS L2 FS zone start at Puurs entry signal (K-Q.19, https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3195755183). From K-Q.19 to here, the transition to ETCS 1 LS takes place and ETCS L2 is no longer the level used in both directions, so the track must be tagged with railway:etcs=1. If you know the exact location of the signal carrying the Start of ETCS Level 1 Limited Supervision zone sign, can you tag it like described in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging_in_Belgium ? :) Thank you ! | |
| 8 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Hi Sikal! We've had a similar discussion before: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4568267#map=11/50.6645/5.5042&layers=N While you are mostly* right in the direction of Puurs, the level transition 2->1 in the direction of Boom happens at the signal, which is located directly under my ping**. “Vanaf het sein XXXX richting Boom is op L52 ETCS L1 Limited Supervision van toepassing.” In any case, the level transition depends on the direction you're travelling. Going forward, neither is more correct than the other. If you can find OSM guidelines for this issue, please let me know. *Mostly because the transition 1-2 happens at a balise, not a signal (nor IBG/SBG). The signal simply tells the driver where he must be in the indicated level by the latest. However a transition from 2-1 indeed happens at a signal. **I am not mapping signals, as I have requested Infrabel to provide their data (they have their own GIS) but they declined on the basis of security (read sabotage etc). | |
| 9 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | You may scrap the 'mostly' part ;) as this is LS | |
| 10 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | Sikal ♦24 | Hi M_V_W, Thank you for your response ! :) As far as I know, there is no OSM guideline for this issue. Using the tag 'railway:etcs:forward/backward=*' should be possible, but I think creating a new tag for such a minor case is excessive. Personally, I use the most restrictive tag : A section that can be travelled under two ETCS levels is tagged with the lower one. ETCS L2 > ETCS L1 FS > ETCS L1 LS. This is a personal choice. In my opinion, the better way to provide a clear overview of a track's situation is to add signalling with personal knowledge, survey or cabrides (with the authorization of the author). | |
| 11 | ~ 8 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | I am certainly not a fan of extra tags either. While choosing the most restrictive is generally a good practice, there's a reason to choose the opposite here. While trains may not receive movement authorities in ETCS L2 yet, a connection to the RBC is established (much) earlier/"disconnect" later. This has some benefits, and could be a reason to choose ETCS L2 tagging over L1(LS) | |
| 12 | ~ 6 months ago | commented | H4N5-antw ♦1,928 | May I offer as my opinion that -given restricted public access to railtracks in general, and use of those tracks for travel other than in trains operated by mostly NMBS- the presence of ETCS and the limits of particular supervision levels and extent of zones is of limited significance? | |
| 13 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | philippec ♦2,202 | https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2025/12/15/spoornet-volledig-uitgerust-met-cruisecontrol-voor-treinen/ | |
| 14 | ~ 2 months ago | commented | H4N5-antw ♦1,928 | opvolging? | |
| 15 | ~ 1 month ago | closed | H4N5-antw ♦1,928 | kennelijk is de interesse afgenomen? | |
| 4877501 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 10 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | End ETCS L1 https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joeri-minne-7198902_infrabel-masterplanetcs-topteams-activity-7355111496877514752-v-S5 |
| 2 | ~ 10 months ago | closed | Jakka ♦33,854 | done | |
| 4877497 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 10 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | Start, start ETCS L1 until end marker (eastbound). https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joeri-minne-7198902_infrabel-masterplanetcs-topteams-activity-7355111496877514752-v-S5 |
| 2 | ~ 10 months ago | closed | Jakka ♦33,854 | done | |
| 4852125 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 10 months ago | opened | --- | B End ETCS L2 line 29 |
| 2 | ~ 10 months ago | closed | M_V_W ♦59 | ||
| 4852170 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 10 months ago | opened | --- | End of ETCS L2 line 207. No train protection eastbound. |
| 2 | ~ 10 months ago | closed | M_V_W ♦59 | ||
| 4852123 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 10 months ago | opened | --- | Start ETCS L2 north east bound L15 until endpoint + L29 until end point |
| 2 | ~ 10 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | https://www.linkedin.com/posts/thibaultdraye_etcs-railsafety-infrabel-ugcPost-7349971427447455744-DJVI?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAACwaJdwBRii5P4CuFqWCDcCScsQMM8KSnE8 | |
| 3 | ~ 10 months ago | closed | Jakka ♦33,854 | aangepast nazicht met je gegevens. | |
| 4 | ~ 10 months ago | reopened | M_V_W ♦59 | ||
| 5 | ~ 10 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Zou je in Herentals de bundel + spoor A ook nog kunnen taggen als L2? Er missen ook nog enkele wissels met de tag. Thv Y.Nazareth mag je de L1 verlengen tot de deze ping. De ene is opzich niet juister dan de andere... | |
| 6 | ~ 10 months ago | closed | Jakka ♦33,854 | done | |
| 4827262 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 11 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | Vereenvoudigd stopsein E-O.12 |
| 2 | ~ 11 months ago | closed | Jakka ♦33,854 | stopsein toegevoegd | |
| 4826922 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 11 months ago | opened | --- | All track have 3kV DC |
| 2 | ~ 11 months ago | commented | Jakka ♦33,854 | deze opendata toont slechts enkele ? https://opendata.infrabel.be/explore/dataset/lijnsecties/map/?disjunctive.label&disjunctive.ecs_voltfreq&disjunctive.ecs_maxtraincurrent&disjunctive.ecs_maxstandstillcurrent&disjunctive.ecs_minwireheight&disjunctive.ls_id&location=20,51.22296,4.44439&basemap=jawg.streets | |
| 3 | ~ 11 months ago | commented | M_V_W ♦59 | Open data toont niet alle sporen in bundels. Zie luchtbal wijkbundel + bundel schijnpoort carwash. Enkel de laatste meters van het noordelijke doodspoor is niet-gelektrificeerd. 270m vanaf het uitrit/vereenvoudigd stopsein richting de stootbok zijn geelektrificeerd. | |
| 4 | ~ 11 months ago | closed | Jakka ♦33,854 | ingevoerd. | |
| 4809757 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 11 months ago | opened | M_V_W ♦59 | Looks like these track have been put into service. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/infrabel_mondaymotivation-activity-7340287879899701248-AKsS?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAACwaJdwBRii5P4CuFqWCDcCScsQMM8KSnE8 |
| 2 | ~ 11 months ago | commented | bxl-forever ♦5,799 | We are obviously aware of this project. However, this is not as easy as changing a simple tag; the tracks are still discontinuous on the map and we are looking for information about the exact layout on those points. Can you help? | |
| 3 | ~ 11 months ago | closed | M_V_W ♦59 | I have the data but unfortunately I cannot transfer it. |