OpenStreetMap Note Activities of Kovoschiz for the last 12 Months
Overall Activities | 12 Months
Opened: 0 (0%) Commented: 79 (42%) Closed: 94 (50%) Reopened: 14 (7%)
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5178297
Category: Unknown
1~ 13 days agoopenedawhchk
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Where does the name "Lo Wu Classification Yard" come from? I've only ever heard of it referred to as "Lo Wu Marshalling Yard" (after it was no longer a freight yard).
2~ 4 days agocommentedvectorial8192
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I think it's a mapping mistake. Lo Wu "Classification" exists as a firing range https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/187627328 .
3~ 4 days agocommentedKovoschiz
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@vectorial8192 You are misunderstanding the mistake, it's the terminology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_yard
4~ 3 days agocommentedvectorial8192
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Then, the existing name is a descriptive name, and is still somehow a mapping mistake.
4577980
Category: unknown
1~ 1 year agoopenedvectorial8192
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Abandoned railway information is very debatable since it can no longer be observed IRL; it has been fully deconstructed (except for a tiny section as an abandoned railway bridge), and should be removed.
2~ 1 year agocommentedKovoschiz
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This is debated, but a trackbed or strip of land qualifies as `=abandoned` for what's acceptable. Besides the bridge and Yau King Ln, there's actually embankments left, and some cut slopes seem unmodified.
3~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
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The trackbeds is most probably all gone, but not sure about the embankments; my working theory is that the CUHK Campus Circuit North ate up some of the old embankments, and so in practice the abandoned railway is not observable.
4~ 5 months agocommentedHenryEK
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the trackbeds are entirely gone. this was done around 1996 when reclaimation reformed tolo harbour front there is almost no sections of abandoned track still left untouched in hong kong
5~ 5 months agocommentedHenryEK
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frankly even though you say the embankment is enough to keep this abandoned railway thing, it would be like adding "abandoned building" role to something just because the foundation ruins are present, instead of marking them as ruins
6~ 5 months agocommentedHenryEK
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i checked every former line of track i know, and theyre all present on the map as features despite not having any sort of indication of their former presence i dont know about you but you know maybe stuff that literally doesnt exist on the map should not exist on the map?
7~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
`railway=abandoned` has a different meaning from `building=` + `abandoned=yes`
8~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I will only add that in OSM, there seems to exist a British-culture-inspired effort to treat railway features differently than other non-railway features.
9~ 5 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦23
but u do understand what i mean right? i mean for the sha tau kok railway which was dismantled over 90 years ago, its still added onto the map theres like no trace of it besides a few milestones and a station
10~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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@seurish I get what you are trying to say (that's why I opened this note), but so far I have seen the argument of "it helps understand how things are like this today". Extending on this, there are relations in OSM that will likely never happen (see KCR's Northern Loop; and the LRT Sam Shing hypothetical tracks drawn by myself). I am thinking, perhaps the criteria should be whether there are visible traces of the past/hypothetical railway irl; and unfortunately this section of KCR tracks is "pinned into existence" because of this single abandoned railway bridge, which to me is a bit too crazy. I see no problem removing KCR's Northern Loop relations in favor of MTR's Northern Loop relations, but this Pak Shek Kok abandoned rail situation is on the edge.
11~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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@seurish Well, re Sha Tau Kok Railway, I would just like to point out that the addition was not without disagreements: see Kovoschiz's comment on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/145944753
12~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Roads, paths, and embankments qualify. So both can be examined.
13~ 4 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦23
so its just gonna stay like this then?
14~ 27 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
1. You can actually see an embankment right east of Cheung Tai Road. 2. Government copyrighted maps say the cuttings west of the bridge still follow the curve of the railway (which is different from Yau King Lane); we can easily do a survey to verify this. 3. If you toggle on older imagery from before the CUHK stuff were built (which is not too long ago, perhaps ~6 years), you can see the entire embankment of the east fully intact. It's far more than just a "single abandoned railway bridge". I see no problem in keeping it. Also, re Sha Tau Kok Railway, afaik the embankments for the sections deviating from the road still exists.
15~ 13 days agocommentedkingkingHK
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If no counter-argument in a few weeks I will be closing this note as "nothing to do here". I am also planning to delete Wo Hop Shek Branch as no traces remain, and change Sha Tau Kok Railway to `=abandoned` (but probably need to redraw it as it is glued to many still-existing features, which afaik is wrong).
16~ 12 days agocommentedKovoschiz
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I had planned to do Sha Tau Kok branch. Need to check what side of the road it's on.
17~ 12 days agocommentedKovoschiz
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Glued to roadway is wrong, as it's not on the road. But sidewalk is fine, if that's where it's really on.
18~ 12 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
I had thought about sketching it from old maps/aerial imagery. But they are not clear enough to show which side of the road it is on. I also found this pic: https://i0.wp.com/www.wetoasthk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/sha-tau-kok-railway-spur-line-branch-station-at-Fanling.jpg which seems to show it is on the south-east of the road. (Also knowing what side of the road it is on is arguably not super important as the road might have been moved or widened, so the present geometry can't really be used as a reference.)
19~ 11 days agocommentedHenryEK
♦23
GSGS3868 shows the STK branch as being present on the right side of STK road until crossing over (possibly a level crossing) near Wong Hang Au (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4990468861) Also seems to be the case for aerial photography around 1924
20~ 11 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Yes, but it also shows the railway being parallel to the road beyond Shek Chung Au, which is not true according to 1924 aerials and still-existing embankments, leading me to question its trust-worthiness.
21~ 10 days agocommentedHenryEK
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I would suggest you just map the very obvious part (past Wong Hang Au) and leave the other part blank for the time being then. From what I can see in the aerials theres a tiny mark on the road where it looks like the route crosses but it could also just be coincidental
22~ 4 days agocommentedkingkingHK
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Wo Hop Shek Branch see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/179336974
23~ 1 day agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Sha Tau Kok Branch see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/179482107
5164334
Category: Unknown
1~ 24 days agoopenedvectorial8192
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name seems unsubstantiated
2~ 24 days agocommentedkingkingHK
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https://www.hkitalk.net/HKiTalk2/thread-2229220-1-1.html ?
3~ 24 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
; https://www.hb.gov.hk/tc/publications/housing/public/phpf/Attachment1tc.pdf : no results.
4~ 24 days agocommentedkingkingHK
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I vaguely remember they later thought the name was too bad and retracted it, I guess that's why we can't find it anymore. If that's the case, perhaps we can move the name to `proposed:name=` or even `was:proposed:name=`.
5~ 24 days agocommentedvectorial8192
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No. Do not do `was:proposed:name=*`. How do you even prove to me (I just came here today) that there was such a name other than via "trust me bro"? The baby doesn't have a name simply because of the trivial fact that said baby was aborted. We can at most give the baby a descriptive name. For example, OSM contains curves for a hypothetical North Island Line because that line itself was mentioned several times in several non-retracted public transport strategy documents. We can prove this NIL concept exists. Operationally, the name "Wah Yat Estate" never existed. <rant>That's why I have been trying to raise awareness on "working names". Those names aren't real!, Just [redacted]</rant>
6~ 23 days agocommentedkingkingHK
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See http://web.archive.org/web/20250926192231/https://www.hb.gov.hk/tc/publications/housing/public/phpf/Attachment1tc.pdf Also, isn't `source=local knowledge` essentially just "trust me bro"?
7~ 13 days agocommentedkingkingHK
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@vectorial8192 please see if you are satisfied with the quoted page.
8~ 13 days agocommentedvectorial8192
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I was scheduling to eventually reply to this note in the coming weeks, but ok. --------------- Re "local knowledge", at least in theory there is a real person behind the account that made the change, so a bad edit is still blamable and/or bannable. Re the Wayback Machine link, nope, it's fundamentally still "trust me bro" but more glorious and sounds much nicer. Plus some other possible issues. On the surface level, that document only explains the Chinese name, and doesn't mention any English names. The name is still (partially) unsubstantiated. Normally this is salvageable, but there's more. I think Internet Archive is an US entity of some sort. I am unfamiliar with US laws (US Fair Use might permit this usage), but by quoting upon the Wayback Machine, this really feels like infringing upon the database rights of the IA, which OSM really tries to avoid. Then, this document came from the HK-gov (allegedly so), but the original was retracted/updated after it was submitted to the Machine, so normally we shouldn't even be able to see this version of the document. That time I read through the Cap 528 (Copyright Ordinance) several times over, and then seeing this situation, I really feel like this copy is an unauthorized copy of government documents, and we literally can't use it. And then, if we need to quote upon the Machine, we will now need to trust an extra organization that that they are "clean", so to speak. Recent governance records of the IA is frankly not good (you are telling me, the Archive was hacked and then stayed broke for 2 whole weeks with no actions?!). Also see ongoing citation crisis at Wikipedia, also involving a supposedly "clean" archive. Way too dangerous; just don't do it.
9~ 12 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
1. Facts are not copyrighted, only creative expressions and arrangements. You should look at the ToS only. The list of properties might be trivially assembled in their working, not protected by database rights either. 2. I don't see how the past record of Wayback Machine has to do with this
5176553
Category: Unknown
1~ 15 days agoopenedokainov
♦241
everything mapped here as lvl3 should be lvl6!
2~ 14 days agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
No, above-ground counting is used for `level=` , and the actual numbering in `level:ref=`
5176554
Category: Unknown
1~ 15 days agoopenedokainov
♦241
and everything mapped as lvl1 should be 4 accordingly
2~ 14 days agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
No, above-ground counting is used for `level=` , and the actual numbering in `level:ref=`
5173115
Category: Unknown
1~ 17 days agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
todo: new footbridge?
2~ 16 days agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/178809016
5165906
Category: Unknown
1~ 23 days agoopenedDaviddylan1WONG CHUK HANG RD
2~ 22 days agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
osm.wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps osm.wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
5164947
Category: Unknown
1~ 24 days agoopened---hong kong disneyland
2~ 24 days agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/377094298 ? osm.wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps osm.wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
5146803
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Duplicate funicular station "Garden Road". What is the standard for mapping funicular stations?
2~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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I think the station was moved recently?
3~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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Not sure if "moved" is the correct word. It be like this: For a long time the facility and the tram stop is co-located at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/636324517 . Then, afaik around 2020, the tram was closed for a major upgrade, which involved majorly extending the train formation for increased capacity. They found out the historic facility couldn't handle the extra length, and so the stop position was moved uphill to https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2525250101 . However, all other stuff (e.g. ticketing) still takes place at the downhill building. Then, how should we describe this situation?
4~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Then, sounds like this stop has simply expanded, and the platform moved.
5~ 27 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Upon further review, I am half-unsure how to deal with this. It seems the structures on both ends are tagged as "station" while midway locations are simply marked as "request stops"?
6~ 27 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
But the midway stations really are request stops though. I don't see the problem, or how it relates to this note.
7~ 26 days agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Having 2 `=station` is obviously wrong. `railway=stop` should be used on the `railway=` track. The polygon should be enlarged as `area:railway=station` , and a `railway=station` point recreated.
5025035
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Sing Mun River has fixme, presumably about boat access. However, afaik, there are no legal restrictions about boat access.
2~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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Well, if boats are not allowed, then https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/493816164 would not exist.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Indeed. My vibe is that, the guy is misunderstanding "physical constraints" with "legal restrictions". Clearly the river cannot support e.g. yacht-boats with their high sails, but one may always try.
4~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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Wait, fixme was raised by Kovoschiz; discussion needed.
5~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Someone added `boat=no` in Fo Tan, which seems a mistake https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32559690 Originally it may have been `=drain` for being reclamation and channelized. That may not be considered accessible by default.
6~ 3 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Well, at least for Shing Mun River, `boat=no` should be wrong. We can remove it, alongside with the `fixme=`.
5150715
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
todo: clean up bus relations after https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/164259073
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
um, lgtm?
3~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Broken: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6607035 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6607037
4~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Then, how did you check whether the relations are broken?
5~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
...sorry, do you mean "where is the broken part of the quoted relations" or "how did you notice the relations are broken" or "generally, how to determine if a relation is broken"?
6~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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I presume you knew of a tool where you would type in the relation number and then the tool told you whether the relation was OK? I can roughly see there exists multiple possible ways/tools to "check" relations, and I am unsure which one you may be using. For example, https://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=6607037&_noCache=on says the 6607037 one is lgtm.
7~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
This is not scalable. You should use JOSM when changing to a pair of lines. It may be preferable for you to not do this if you don't fix the routes yourself.
8~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Short pair of lines at islands is not an absolutely strict expectation. It's even often debated when to do it. So it's easier to avoid it.
9~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
My criteria is to split the ways so that we can have a clear mapping of the (staggered) pedestrian crossings. This doesn't happen regularly so I am not too concerned about scalability, though with continuing urbanization, we will find more and more of this "single -> double" case from irl-upgrading signaled crossings. With me starting to know how JOSM works, I can start fixing my past mistakes, but ultimately I gotta know why the quoted two relations are broken, and how they are broken, which naturally leads to how to fix them.
10~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Multiple tools report 6607035 (68E) is broken because there is a gap here. This makes sense and very likely my mistake. However, none of them report any problems for 6607037 (68F).
11~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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Ok, after rechecking, 68F is really not broken. I apologise for my mistake. Anyway, re checking broken relations, I usually simply use JOSM's relation editor. Your quoted website (https://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation) produces quite a lot of false negatives.
12~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/178260481 ; closing.
5151410
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
needs discussion: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177963900
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
the concern is whether "wall to wall connected houses but only 2 in house chain" count as "semi-detached house". See eg 103A and 103B. I think is no. from online picture examples of semi-detached houses, there should have a way for people to reach the backyard without entering the house. if no such method then is just regular rowhouse.
3~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
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I don't think duplex has such a definition. They are structural only, without regards to sideyard in the lot. It should be further distinguished there, not changed to `=terraced` for this.
4~ 21 days agocommentedvectorial8192
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I quote the Wikipedia: > The name distinguishes this style of construction from [...] terraced houses, with a shared wall on both sides. Then, these are indeed semi-detached.
5~ 21 days agoclosedvectorial8192
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Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/178577044 ; closing.
5150565
Category: CoMaps
1~ 1 month agoopened散掉的冰块This place does not exist: "旁边有一个同名的建筑物,那么这个作为工业用地存在的同名区域应当被删除" A CoMaps user reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-12-27T02:09:53Z POI name: 機場空運中心 Airport Freight Forwarding Centre POI types: landuse-industrial #CoMaps android 2026.01.08-11-FDroid
2~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Probably should change the `building=` `name=` to `addr:housename=`, as per changeset discussion of https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/172051373
3~ 1 month agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Already is. This is correct for single main building facility/site.
5149136
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopened---Please Change “ Hong Kong Student Aid Society Primary School“ to its newly changed named ‘Christian Pui Yan Primary School’ SInce I am a student that studying in that school
2~ 1 month agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/170061955/history/4
5149137
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopened---Please Change “ Hong Kong Student Aid Society Primary School“ to its newly changed named ‘Christian Pui Yan Primary School’ SInce I am a student that studying in that school
2~ 1 month agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Dupe https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5149136
5038052
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
individual buildings and streets, where name:en?
2~ 2 months agoclosedbpaz709394
3~ 2 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦372
4~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
5~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Not sure where the `name:zh` came from in the first place; can't survey due to `access=private` and can't find any useful info online.
6~ 1 month agocommentedSkylark_H_C
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I believe these names are real. Refer to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5L_oSHKvck (vlog of the experience in this hostel)
7~ 1 month agocommentedSkylark_H_C
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but yes, some of these streets have no English name. (4:50 in the video)
8~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
1. copyright 2. If it cannot be verified without entering an `access=private` premise I believe it would cause problems verifiability.
9~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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Re "copyright" I quote https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/is-a-youtube-video-an-acceptable-source/125692/5 > However, factual information in that video is probably not “the video or a non-trivial excerpt from it”. So, for example, if someone has gone for a leisurely walk around a town centre, filmed it, uploaded it to YouTube, and you spot a sign for a streetname that’s unmapped in OSM, it’s not a copyright infringement to use that information to update OSM. The YT video may be an acceptable source. Granted, this doesn't enable us to large-scale scrape YouTube videos. imo just use it sparingly. ------- Re "verifiability": Shrugs. As long as it isn't a military base, it will be verifiable. Just that it may take many many years for probability to assign an OSM user into the area. Consider the possibility within the next 10 years an overseas OSM user decided to take residence here, and then we will have verifiability.
10~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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1. Anyway, as Kovoschiz said in Discord, Youtube videos can never be used to map OSM due to Terms of Services, regardless of copyright. 2. Imo this is too private, e.g. you wouldn't indoor map your home even though you are an OSM user who can verify it.
11~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
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1. " (And… then there’s terms of use to consider. Google Maps has a clause that says roughly “by using this site, you agree that you won’t use features like Street View to update your own map database”, no matter what copyright law might say. I haven’t looked to see whether YouTube has anything like this because I try to avoid YouTube as much as humanly possible, though I doubt it.) "
12~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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I opened this note because it's highly unusual that we have streets in HK that have no English names. A san-check/survey may be needed. With the YT video, I can san-check that, indeed, the streets *not* having English names is normal. We can have a middleground where I add a note to 1331 stating that the streets really do not have English names.
13~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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YT TOS https://www.youtube.com/t/terms#c3e2907ca8 : > You are not allowed to: > > access, reproduce, download, [...] Taking a single frame and then do stuff does not sound like reproducing. afaik updating the notes field brings no meaningful change to the map data (for other mappers only), so probably should not cause damage, but don't quote me on that.
14~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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> You are not allowed to use the Service to view or listen to Content other than for personal, non-commercial use Taking a single frame is certainly "viewing", and OSM's license does nothing to prohibit data consumers from using `note=` for commercial purposes.
15~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
well then
5027512
Category: CoMaps
1~ 4 months agoopenedklorydryk
♦20
"invisible from the road" The place has gone or never existed. A CoMaps user reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-09-06T09:48:08Z POI has no name POI types: highway-path #CoMaps android
2~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Does this mean, there is no perimeter foot path?
3~ 3 months agocommentedklorydryk
♦20
Yes if is what I mean
4~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
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Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177555528 ; closing.
5~ 1 month agoreopenedKovoschiz
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6~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
This is unclear. It may be `trail_visibility=no` / `obstacle=vegetation` / `disused=yes` / `abandoned:highway=`
7~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
As in the connection https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1002239786/
5123548
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedawhchk
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* The playground is mostly over the rooftop of KTSPS, but a section closest to Wai Yip Street is outside of the building and close to ground level. It seems the outline of the eastern part of the building is wrong. * The playground is part of Cha Kwo Ling Promenade, but confusingly some information boards also has the name "茶果嶺海濱公園(園景平台) Cha Kwo Ling Promenade (Landscaped Deck)". This seems to refer to the whole playground area. (The side road is marked on the map in grey which leads me to believe it is excluded.) * Dogs are prohibited in the playground area, but the part of the park closer to the sea is designated as "Inclusive Park for Pets" and the side road leading to it does not prohibit dogs. * The signs state the opening hours to be 7:00 am to 11:00 pm. Not sure if this only applies to the playground area or all of it.
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
This https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/16555245 already has the name Cha Kwo Leng Promenade.
3~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I can see the situation is complicated with the following: - Went there before, the building actually gently slopes to ground level, making it difficult to determine actual shape - The building is not actually a park; the park is at rooftop of building
4~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Shape improved with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177480531 The deck is now mapped as https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13452291567 Not sure how to do the pet access part; will leave open for now.
5~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
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`name=茶果嶺海濱公園(園景平台) Cha Kwo Ling Promenade (Landscaped Deck)` should be wrong. That's a label for the part inside. Brackets should be presumed not proper names, only descriptive. Cf Scheduled https://www.elegislation.gov.hk/hk/cap132?xpid=ID_1438402664274_001
5099138
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/39550532 , etc., ?
2~ 2 months agoclosedbpaz709394
3~ 2 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
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4~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
5~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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It seems like this is difficult to survey on foot. Might need to take a bus that uses https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/113146414 e.g. 13X, 28, 213X, 224X, 297, X6C.
6~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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To clarify this note, this really feels like duplicate mapping. eg this https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1205404050 has construction=motorway_Link but then https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/113146414 already exists. This might be an armchair mistake. I think I tried to delete this in the past, but it was reverted.
7~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
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Updated (had already marked what they are supposed to be)
8~ 1 month agoclosedKovoschiz
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5132153
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedkingkingHK
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I vaguely remember https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1341043773 does not exist anymore.
2~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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Old imagery (Bing Maps) and new imagery (ESRI World) both say "no crossings here".
3~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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Iirc the barriers prohibiting jaywalking were removed in 2019, which could justify `crossing=informal` as it is no longer illegal to cross. However the barriers were readded later, making it `crossing=no` again.
4~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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"2019" has too much ambiguity to be helpful to OSM mapping. Informal crossings are disallowed within x meters from legal crossings https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1180365855 . I forgot/dunno what x is.
5~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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I quote Cap. 374G (39)(a)(ii): > No pedestrian shall cross a road within 15 m of a light signal crossing otherwise than at the crossing where such lights operate. This is around 39 metres from https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1180365855. We can probably do `not:highway=footway` + `not:footway=crossing` + `crossing=no` + `was:highway=footway` + `was:footway=crossing` + `was:crossing=informal`.
6~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
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No need to invoke other crosswalks, but you should measure from the crosswalks at this intersections, which is within 15m. It's illegal to climb over barriers, and cross within 15m of footbridges.
7~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
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At least that's my understanding. You must detour via the upstream intersection, or go C-shaped around the intersection.
8~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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I was thinking the footbridge doesn't count because it goes to a different place, but from the wording of the law it seems like it counts anyway...
9~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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I scoff at "it seems like it counts anyway". If laws are this expressively precise (I wish), then we don't even need the Judicial Review. e.g. I hear there is a JR case unrelated to pedestrian crossing arguing that it's unclear/ambiguous which "right hand side" the law is talking about. Hardcore theoretical physics in the legal system, yay. A reasonable interpretation would be "you can't cross the road like this if there's dedicated facility within range along the same direction". In this case, we don't (it's out of range), but there's no marking, and there's likely guardrails, so indeed we can make it be "was"/"not".
10~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
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Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177673697 ; closing.
5128538
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedkingkingHK
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Are they really constructing https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/774964181 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/774964743 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/774965667 ? Can't see any signs of construction from aerial imagery.
2~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
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You can refer to the surroundings. Most if not all non-T2 `=construction` seems should be `proposed:highway=` actually.
3~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
All three roads are changed to be "highway=proposed" with https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177805982 ; close?
4~ 1 month agoclosedkingkingHK
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Yeah, was gonna do it myself but you did it first, thanks. Closing.
5126001
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedvectorial8192
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todo: now that reclamation is (probably) mostly complete/stabilized, review/partition into greenfields
2~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
There's nothing to be partitioned. Already done inside. TCE can be discussed as a `boundary=administrative` depending on definition.
3~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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TCE feels like some sort of "urban block", but afaik no such urban block specification for HK OSM.
4~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Why is it a "block"? I have already used `city_block` for numbered planning areas, but it's not always correct. TC E would be worse, as it's totally not one street block only.
5~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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Anyway, the first step is to move the TCE naming from the reclamation work area to the place=suburb as in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177301892
6~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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The next step is to make almost everything in this area a greenfield as in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177369360 . The thought is, land plots that are planned but not allocated yet should remain as greenfields until someone acquire them and start construction.
7~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Should be good now. Closing.
5123432
Category: Unknown
1~ 1 month agoopenedvectorial8192
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todo: this section of Route 2 probably should not have toll information.
2~ 1 month agoclosedkingkingHK
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It should as it can only be accessed from EHC. https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11180794
3~ 1 month agoreopenedvectorial8192
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4~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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However: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/799005738 this has no tolls. My interpretation of OSM data meaning is that, if I am traveling on Route 2 here, I have to pay toll twice, which is wrong. First toll section is the EHC itself. Second toll section is this.
5~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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I quote https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:toll > In any case `toll=yes` should be used on any section of road where a toll must be paid to access it. This supports tagging toll information on this section of Kwun Tong Bypass. Maybe we can do `toll:lanes=` for https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/799005738. Precedent see e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/152470472
6~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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tbh sounds like "consequential mapping". Need not even do `toll:lanes=` imo. I see this https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/799005738 is outside of tunnel area. Then, this section of Route 2 should be toll-free. In the off chance traffic is temporarily redirected onto this section of Route 2 (e.g. traffic accident) they pay no tolls here.
7~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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I don't get your point. Are you trying to say that if a toll road shares a cross-section with a non-toll road then it isn't a toll road? If tagging `toll=` on roads that can't be accessed without paying a toll is "consequential mapping" (I don't know what you mean by this tbh), then what is `toll=` for? > I see this way/799005738 is outside of tunnel area. Then, this section of Route 2 should be toll-free. What does toll have to do with tunnel area? What if a non-tunnel has toll? Do we not tag `toll=` then? > In the off chance traffic is temporarily redirected onto this section of Route 2 (e.g. traffic accident) they pay no tolls here. Slippery slope: anything can happen, do we not do anything then? E.g. pedestrians and cyclists are allowed on roads they normally can't access during e.g. marathons and cyclothon, do we not tag access restrictions then? Roads can be closed to traffic entirely during traffic accidents so we shouldn't map roads? Buildings can burn down so we shouldn't map buildings?
8~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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I may have missed synonyms, but afaik I coined the term "consequential mapping" in the past few years. Basically, this attempts to describe a situation where features are getting tags and information not because of themselves, but because of something other than themselves. For example, if the right side road is a bus terminus, then creating "cannot turn right except buses" is consequential because the correct information is "the right side road is bus-only". Normal cars may not turn right is a *consequence* of the bus terminus restrictions, hence the name "consequential mapping". imo, information about a feature should depend on its own nature, and not simply because some other feature exists. Data consumers should look at the data and then deduce by themselves that normal cars cannot turn to the right side because there is a bus terminus. We should not explicitly describe these unless the problem is armchair-undecidable (e.g. turn restrictions, these has to be irl-checked, at least with reference to aerial imagery + reasonable case-by-case deduction). Upon review, I notice this case is logically equivalent to the "extend motorway" rule, which I personally dislike. This section of Route 2 is getting toll information because it is a consequence that normally this section is only reachable from EHC, and EHC has a toll. ----------- In this case, because we are talking about EHC toll, I think the toll scope should match the tunnel area scope. Because this section is already outside of the tunnel area, it should not get any toll information at all, and we should treat it as just some normal untolled road. This goes beyond the initial "two toll sections" concern.
9~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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Wouldn't tagging toll information for and only for the tunnel area be "consequential mapping" as well, as you are basing it on whether "some other feature" (in the case, tunnel area) exists? And as I said, what will do if a non-tunnel area is tolled? Imo whether a road is tolled or not is a property of its own, and not a consequence of anything. E.g. `lit=` is entirely dependent on the existence of street lamps ("some other feature"), but tagging `lit=` wouldn't be "consequential mapping" because `lit=` is a property of the road. > Upon review, I notice this case is logically equivalent to the "extend motorway" rule, which I personally dislike. I don't see a problem with the rule. It should be agreed upon that `highway=` is for functional classification, and it doesn't make sense for a road to suddenly change importance for no reason. Furthermore, `highway=motorway` is a legal class, so all roads not accessible without `=motorway` will inherit the same restrictions/access control as you can't turn back. I.e. `=motorway` should not start without an exit towards a non-`=motorway`, and should not end without an entrance from non-`motorway` (which is why I personally disagree with e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/168099947) Similarly for tolls, if a road can't be accessed without also using a toll road, then you must pay a toll to use it. E.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/47071903 is `toll=yes` because it only leads to Tai Lam Tunnel (tolled), and indeed irl there are "Toll Area" and toll schedule signs to let drivers know they are at a "point of no turning back" towards a toll road, and they must pay a toll if they wish to proceed. Also, as I said, if you don't extend `toll=`, then when can you use it? Inside tunnel area wouldn't work as I mentioned above. Is it only for `barrier=toll_booth` or `highway=toll_gantry`? But don't those already imply `toll=yes`, making it a "consequential mapping" by your standards? When do you propose to use `toll=`?
10~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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imo `lit=yes` is not consequential because currently OSM streetlamps (and other lighting features) cannot specify which OSM features are being lit by them. I was preparing for a longer response on what `toll=*` really is, but then I suddenly noticed: e.g., https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/37669889 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/111048502 both don't have toll information. How come? Should we also be concerned about that?
11~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
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Hammer Hill Rd off-slip seems an editing omission. You shouldn't assume it must be perfect.
12~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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Yeah, @vectorial8192 I don't know why you assumed that existing data must be perfect with no inaccuracies or omissions (if it were we as editors would not need to exist in the first place...). You can extend the tagging yourself if you notice it is missing. I have done it before https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1341301696/history/3 so have you https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/173057078
13~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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Socratic method. I will elaborate later, but my theme is that, for the toll tag, it should match the exact area and not do the "continue until junction" rule.
14~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
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I will patiently wait for your elaboration, but just as a reminder my point is that "the exact area" is identical to "continue until next junction".
15~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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I will early-hint that my "exact area" is different from "continue until junction".
5057844
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedkingkingHK
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Are https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8010179249 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3070117404 duplicates? Why is one of them `place=quarter` and the other `=village`? Any relevancy with https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4435507882 `=hamlet`?
2~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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Yes, the upper village is addressed as TKO Village. So it should be considered part of one somehow, for `addr:place=` to be logical. The most complicated cases are eg So Kwun Wat villages.
3~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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With reference to e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/308770173 , can't there just be one/two node(s) with just place=hamlet with name "Tsueng Kwan O Village"?
4~ 1 month agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
What's the difference of 2 points with existing?
5115498
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedbpaz709394 您好: 在這地圖中所有顯示註記的X點.都不是我的. 煩請 貴公司代為清隊. 謝謝
2~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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Please turn off "map notes" on the right from "Layers"
5104381
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopened1F616EMO
♦3
Entrance to Kwai Lam Court and the mall here at surface level
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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We don't usually do entrances into individual (residential) buildings, but we can do entrances to the mall.
3~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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The residential entrances sound like they could be `entrance=yes` + `addr:unit=` + `access=private`. They are verifiable after all. I intend to map some basic indoor footpaths in this area soon, so I guess I will also deal with the mall entrances.
4~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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While we are at it, some indoor paths in this area are mapped as "indoor corridors" so OSMCarto doesn't render them.
5~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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It's not "don't usually do", but "usually not done yet"
6~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
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This time I am not gonna accidentally champion the addition of residential entrances. Such a large scope work is best left for later. Foot paths added via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177303341 ; closing.
5105251
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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todo: use motorway_link for multi-exit end-of-line junctions (e.g. see Western Harbour Crossing).
2~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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It turns out Route 6 is described as "merges into Route 3 (Kwai Chung Side)" (see https://www.td.gov.hk/en/transport_in_hong_kong/hk_strategic_route_and_exit_number_system/map/r6/index.html )
3~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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This has no effect, as it's the same for others https://www.td.gov.hk/en/transport_in_hong_kong/hk_strategic_route_and_exit_number_system/map/r3/index.html
4~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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(There's even Rt 3 end on both directions)
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Counterpoint: Route 7 states "merges into Route 5 (Tsuen Wan side)" (see https://www.td.gov.hk/en/transport_in_hong_kong/hk_strategic_route_and_exit_number_system/map/r7/index.html ); we map it as "trunk road all the way".
6~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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Northern terminal is further complicated by Tsing Long Hwy being on Rt 9 between the Interchange and San Tin Hwy north of NU22. It would be as if CKB is on Rt 3 between WHC and WKH. On the other hand, here it's complicated by Rt 9 merges into `noref=yes` Lin Cheung Rd first.
7~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
If we are willing to break the "one road physical cross-section -> one OSM way" rule, then the solution becomes trivial.
8~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Another counterpoint: Look at the Route 1 / Route 9 superposition near Racecourse. I think a solution is possible while staying inside the "one cross-section -> one way rule".
9~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
1. That's unacceptable 2. I don't see what's the relevance here. There's no Rt 3 and 6 concurrency.
10~ 2 months agoclosedbpaz709394
11~ 2 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
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12~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Not done yet; please don't resolve!
13~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I now see Route 3 -> Route 6 is using motorway; this makes sense because we have precedent for this in Route 5 -> Route 7, which contains an exit for Route 5 itself and also provide the (branching) starting point for Route 7. I see Route 6 -> Lin Cheung Road is also using motorway. Upon rethinking, I have no real proposals/ideas for the Lin Cheung Road -> Route 3 part. If anything, this can be revisited in the indeterminate future when highway reclassification happens. Then, nothing to do here. Closing.
5105750
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Most towers on podiums are tagged with `building=`, not `building:part=`. Then, is it appropriate to use `building:part=` for https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/142662166 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/142662162 ? Personally I don't see a tower as being the same building as its podium, but maybe that's just me.
2~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
That was Apple doing it without consulting us. Many others, eg TKO. The problem with `building:part=` is towers or podiums can have their own parts, meaning there's nothing in between to group those parts. (I'm guessing the proposal discussions didn't consider such complexities) They are considered as buildings by people too. Therefore practically and conceptually, they should use `building=` , not `building:part=`
3~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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So, ultimately, is this a "todo" note or is this a "it do be like this" note?
4~ 1 month agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Todo. My plan is to change all `building:part=` towers in Hong Kong to `building=`, then close this note.
5098623
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Has this https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/780190087 been reopened?
2~ 2 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/176191677
5093604
Category: Unknown
1~ 2 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Various "dots" exist in this area with nothing but "name=Yau Ma Tei Interchange"; what for?
2~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Seems another user omission. In general, `junction=yes` can be used for named junctions, and the confusingly UK-named `=motorway_junction` for exits. However in this case, HK has the special practice of gazetting some roadways to be named "Interchange" as "streets", and it's not straightforward to determine the extent of YMT Interchange when it overlaps with Jordan Rd. For consistency and better support, they can still be considered.
3~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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What I mean is, e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2861669105 this is just a named "dot". The meaning is unclear.
4~ 2 months agoclosedbpaz709394
5~ 2 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
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6~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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Not done yet; please don't resolve!
7~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
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I remember seeing named dots in the subway tracks, and that's to help with identifying which rail path the node belongs to when the rail paths are overlapping. Here the shape is complex, but the overlapping is minimal, so we may just clear the names from the dots.
8~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177674914 ; closing.
4958371
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Quarry Bay station, Exits B1, B2, and B3 are original research.
2~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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*also exit B4
3~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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These B "subexits" are not signposted irl and do not appear in irl official diagrams. IRL only denotes "B". This is different from East Tsim Sha Tsui Station where the J "subexits" are delegated to be under the management of an external party, currently the manager of Victoria Dockside, and each have their own ref. I can personally attest these J "subexit" refs have been in use for at least 20 years. Evidence for these B "subexit" refs must be presented; otherwise I will delete them.
4~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Detected faulty changeset as https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/16819169 .
5~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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From Discord discussion, it seems like this note is a false positive? If so, perhaps we can close it.
6~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
The next step is to check/confirm the railway protection details, and I haven't done that yet.
7~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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So, there really are official documents that write down exist B1 to B4, but they are no longer signposted irl. Then, need to determine the proper next step. Should we keep only the B exit or somehow mix in the preexisting B1 - B4 exits with the newly-mapped B exit?
8~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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Imo if it's no longer signposted irl then I don't see why it should still be kept. Official documents can still be outdated or simply wrong.
9~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Also, `old_ref` can be considered if you really want to keep the B1-B4.
10~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Would there be any disagreements if I make all of them `ref=B`, change the `=B1` to `=B4` to `old_ref=`, and close this note?
11~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I don't know the details, but it seems there can only be 1x `ref=B` as specified by the OSM schema.
12~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
It should be acceptable to have multiple `ref=B`
13~ 2 months agoclosedbpaz709394
14~ 2 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
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15~ 2 months agocommentedkmpoppe
♦3,682
This note was part of a mass-closure without any comment. It was subsequently reopened, as it's unclear if the problem mentioned still persists.
16~ 1 month agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Upon rethinking, we can do was:ref as if it is lifecycle. Some of us were there when it was still B1 to B4, and some of us (e.g. me) noticed it is now only B.
17~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Finally resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177305619 ; closing. Once again, I apologize for the false allegations stemming from confusion.
5082019
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Yau Tong Station: Review the layering; should probably be `layer=0` or `layer=1`.
2~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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Does `layer=` need to correspond absolutely to its surrounding features, though? Afaik `tunnel=` can be used as long as it's long and full covered, and `tunnel=` requires a negative `layer=`, but maybe I am wrong.
3~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
`layer=` absolute number has no meaning, and can be anything. Only the relative order matters, and preferably be consistent with the surroundings.
4~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Yeah, I don't think there are any problems with the `layer=`s here. @vectorial8192 do you have anything to add? If not I think we can close this note.
5~ 2 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Alright, it seems I only had a wrong interpretation of what layering really means. Closing.
5078637
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Anyone know what this https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1455730544 is named?
2~ 2 months agocommentedHenryEK
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Lung Cheung Road Sitting Out Area
3~ 2 months agocommentedHenryEK
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zh 龍翔道休憩處 https://www.map.gov.hk/gm/s/S/1503005523
4~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
@HenryEK are you sure it can be used in terms of copyright?
5~ 2 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦23
Im not sure what you mean by that sorry Do you mean the place name cannot be used due to copyright or the source?
6~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
OSM has very high standards on what can/cannot be included. One of these standards is "non-copyrighted data". e.g., "do not copy from other maps, e.g. Google Maps". Problem: sometimes it is difficult to determine whether a certain information is copyright-protected.
7~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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Indeed, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps/Nokia_Maps/...? If you are unsure whether a map can be copied, it would be the safest to assume that it can't. For this specific case, the easiest solution would be just visiting the site, as park names are usually signposted, and this location is not inconvenient to get to.
8~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5083046 https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2024-05-13#Ticket#2024040710000103_–_Database_for_importing_license_question
9~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
> and this location is not inconvenient to get to Technically, you are correct, but it just doesn't feel right.
10~ 2 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦23
checked today, it is one to one with the name i provided
11~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
@HenryEK If you know the name, then you may add them into the system.
12~ 1 month agoclosedHenryEK
♦23
Resolved - (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177026868) Sorry for the delay as I don't check things on OSM as often
5078742
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
name:zh of park? https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/576655997
2~ 2 months agocommentedHenryEK
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赫蘭道/淺水灣道花園 https://www.map.gov.hk/gm/s/S/1810025496
3~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
@HenryEK are you sure it can be used in terms of copyright?
4~ 2 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
No https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2024-05-13#Ticket#2024040710000103_–_Database_for_importing_license_question
5080918
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Does Tai Shue Wan https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8791675465 really deserve to be `=suburb`? I don't feel like it's that important.
2~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
It's enough if it stands on its own, cf Sham Wan, Shouson Hill. You thinking it should be in Wong Chuk Hang?
3~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
I feel like it is not really that important when it appears to be unpopulated. But nevermind if the standard is just "standing on its own". I originally noticed this when I saw Carto render Tai Shue Wan over Ap Lei Chau at zoom 12 even though I personally consider Ap Lei Chau to be much more "important", so I wondered if that is caused by the overrating of Tai Shue Wan. Perhaps that can simply solved by adding `population` to Ap Lei Chau, given it's an island so there's no problems with verifiability?
4~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
1. The definition of populated can be debated. If there are hotels, or jails (need to do revision on census definition), are those really "unpopulated"? That's not the same as census definition of populations. Eg Penny's Bay, or Chek Lap Kok may have no residents either. 2. Carto doesn't always work. `population=` is not the only factor in what's important. Eg HKI is less populated than Kowloon and NT. 3. I suspect Carto `population=` only affects `=city` https://github.com/openstreetmap-carto/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1461
5~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
tbf renderers have their choice on picking what to render. Them picking Tai Shue Wan over Ap Lei Chau is their L. Still, specifically for Ap Lei Chau, supposedly renderers should prioritize Ap Lei Chau because it's an island. I would expect "island > suburb".
6~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
It seems we can close this.
7~ 2 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦372
Then, this note is simply due to my misunderstanding on how renderers work. Closing.
5074863
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Wang Fuk Court: ref=A to ref=G needs to be reviewed whether they are actually `abandoned=yes` or `ruined=yes`. Preliminary reports by structural engineers are indicating `abandoned=yes`, but full report is not out yet.
2~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
It's no immediate danger, only meaning it will not collapse very soon, not no major damage. It's much more broken than the usual `abandoned=` which can easily be renovated
3~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Yeah, recent close-ups show as if the buildings were from an actual warzone. Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/175435505 ; closing. RIP.
5071079
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedHenryEK
♦23
Just curious, how are some roads classified as motorways on OSM yet they are not classified as such by bodies such as the Transport Department and instead considered trunk roads? https://www.td.gov.hk/en/road_safety/road_users_code/index/chapter_5_for_all_drivers/expressways_and_trunk_road_/ I apologise if I am mistaken
2~ 3 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hong_Kong/Transport/Road#%E8%A1%97%E9%81%93%E5%88%86%E9%A1%9E_Classifications_of_streets Currently, tunnel areas are considered `highway=motorway`.
3~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
`highway=` is a functional class. Although `=motorway` is quite an exception, it can be argued for following closely. Tenatively, they are distinguished by `motorway=no` + `motorroad=yes` to reflect their function and status. HK is complicated by Tunnel Area appearing in the middle of Expressway, as in here, and Cheung Tsing Tunnel; as well as Tsing Sha Hwy. This doesn't play well with how `highway=` should be classified between junctions, specifically the last diverge where you can exit before entering the Tunnel Area or Expressway. We had short preliminary discussions on changing them https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Hong_Kong/Transport/Road
4~ 3 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Also there's no legal traffic classification as a "trunk road". That's engineering standard, and for census. Expressways, or Tunnel Area, are designated on Trunk Road, and Primary Distributor. Strategic Routes can be routed on Trunk Road, and Primary Distributor.
5070064
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopened1F616EMO
♦3
From the news, Wang Chi House is mostly unaffected. I doubt that marking it as ruined (as with the other seven) is appropriate.
2~ 3 months agocommented1F616EMO
♦3
See also https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/5068721
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Local Hong Kong idiom: never follow the car too closely. Technically the fire is not under control; we have no definite proof Wang Chi House is OR is not `=ruined`.
4~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
I multi-edited them all for convenience. You can always correct it.
5~ 3 months agocommented1F616EMO
♦3
I agree with vectorial8192’s points, that we should put it on hold before things settle down. Relevant discussion on the English Wikipedia on the future of the other seven buildings: https://w.wiki/GLf6
6~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Indeed. Reading the link to the English Wiki, yes my general point is basically "WP:TRUE". Now, as of writing, I think all fires from ref=A to ref=G are gone for good (await official confirmation). But even then, ref=H (Wang Chi House) is still covered in scaffolding. We need direct visual confirmation to the building itself (e.g. how are the actual walls?) to determine whether it should be "damaged" or "ruined".
7~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
@1F616EMO OSM is not Wikipedia. Immediate action is often done for disasters, and it works based on iterative refinement.
8~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Ie there's no ban on breaking news https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_newspaper
9~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Things should have settled down. I am hopeful Wang Chi House is entirely unaffected, but someone go look under the scaffolding?
10~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Latest news hint towards the building remains healthy because residents are allowed to retrieve some of their stuff.
11~ 3 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/175434791 ; closing.
5068721
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Great fire; we may need to observe the irl situation and update OSM when needed, this seems like a full loss. Worst case the whole estate is condemned and needs to be rebuilt.
2~ 3 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Unlikely to become `landuse=residential` directly, changed to `ruined`
5058584
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Should Tai Hang Sai Estate still retain landuse=residential? afaik judicial processes are withholding reconstruction, which means this estate is technically still inhabitable.
2~ 3 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Have they not lost all the cases?
3~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
This is the part which I am out of the loop. The verdicts and the judicial arguments are convoluting. afaik the Company convinced a significant majority of tenants to leave, but the few remaining made a JR/appeal, which "pins" this estate as `landuse=residential` despite "obviously a construction yard".
4~ 3 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
OK, I read the news. Basically, the Company eventually got all the flats back after some verdicts + arbitration. de jure the Estate is still `landuse=residential` until (I think) Dec 2025, but me discovering this situation this late to the story, it would just be a technicality issue, and can't justify an OSM edit. I will just hold this note open until later with no action to take.
5~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Hi there, we are long into December, I guess that means we can close this note with no actions to take?
6~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I have no idea why, but I seem to keep reading about new judicial resolutions way into December. I do not know whether there are more ongoing judicial cases.
7~ 14 days agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Any updates on this note?
8~ 14 days agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
No updates, but I am very afraid to close this. Last time (December) I thought all cases were closed already, and then a few days later I read about a few of them freshly closed. Best bet would be to wait for the Company to do work. I think the news was that the Company would start partial work on this site as it waits for the several remaining cases to close, instead of doing work on the entire site at once. This should be a good indicator of what's up.
5052151
Category: Unknown
1~ 3 months agoopened---Our hotel
2~ 3 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
5039442
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
I suspect that it is legal to cycle from https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/116287569 to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/835665902
2~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
* and all the way to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/718063548 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/149908331 , but not https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/227648518
3~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I don't know the details yet, but bold claim to be allowed to walk/cycle in numbered highways.
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
ok, so you mentioned https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/227648518 , but this already has `bicycle=no`.
5~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Numbered highway does not mean anything. Strategic routes have no legal implication. See Lung Cheung Road. Afaik, there are only four situations where cycling is prohibited: 1. on expressways (Cap 374Q (4)(1)) 2. in tunnel areas (Cap 368A (10)(a)) 3. in country parks (Cap 208A (4)(1)) 4. beyond no cycling signs (Cap 374G Sch 1 Fig 126 & 127) Obviously here the first three don't apply. Then yesterday I was watching some bus videos and found out that when entering Tsing Sha Highway northbound from Tai Po Road, there is only a "no pedestrian" sign, and no "no cycling" sign until https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1311402563 with a "right arrow" sign, which should imply that it is allowed to cycle from Tai Po Road Sha Tin Heights or the Lower Shing Mun Road roundabout to Mei Tin Road and Mei Fai Street. But then I knew bus videos probably aren't acceptable sources for osm, which I why I made this note for future surveys to check where the no cycling sign actually starts.
6~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Indeed you can legally bike on many roads dangerously without signage. It's likely forgotten to be exempted, as it's at least inconsistent with `=trunk_link` https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/850148615
7~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
@vectorial8192 Try to find no bike sign on all `=trunk` fully (Lung Cheung Rd, Kwun Tong Rd, Tseung Kwan O Rd, Lei Yue Mun Rd; former Gloucester Rd, Connaught Rd C)
8~ 3 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦372
My suspicion is correct. Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/175445268 ; closing.
5029552
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Route 8 inconsistency: This section is named Eagle's Nest Tunnel, but the other two sections (Sha Tin Heights Tunnel and Tai Wai Tunnel) are just generically named "Tsing Sha Highway". We should probably apply one of the above styles to all three sections to ensure consistency.
2~ 4 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
This is intentional. The most well-known naming is applied. Eagle's Nest Tunnel is significant. Cf Lion Rock Tunnel is not "Lion Rock Tunnel Road"
5025033
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Any reason why Tuen Mun River changes from `waterway=river` to simply `waterway=drain`?
2~ 4 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Editing mistake (not changing all)
5017619
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Does https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1443879805 really exist? There's already things there, and online searches do not return any helpful results.
2~ 4 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Fake online business, can be immediately removed first https://www.facebook.com/IGCHKSHOP/
14991781~ 7 years agoopened---The route is ambushed and almost vanished up
2~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦372
There is already `trail_visibility=bad` after https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/96255409 , which should be enough to describe the "ambushed and almost vanished" situation. Then, resolved, closing.
3~ 4 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,173
4~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
`=bad` can be on empty land. Should check the `obstacle=vegetation`, and decide whether it's `disused=yes` or even `abandoned:highway=`
5012470
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopened---u-turn slip road has been reopened already
2~ 4 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/86041189
3~ 4 months agoreopenedjuniusli
4~ 4 months agoclosedjuniusli
5~ 4 months agoreopenedjuniusli
6~ 4 months agoclosedjuniusli
7~ 4 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
8~ 4 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
To add to this strange note, know that OSM tiles are rendered by a separate service (OSM Carto), and sometimes changes are not reflected "immediately". Sometimes it takes up to 7 days for the new changes to "appear on the map".
5004149
Category: Unknown
1~ 4 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Does https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6705213942 really exist? Stand-alone traffic signal in a roundabout? If not, then what is this element supposed to be referring to, and where is traffic signal "NT417" actually at?
2~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
No idea why this was not discovered earlier. Would guess this traffic light tries to refer to the traffic light system located southeast of this note; Wai Tsuen Road & Shek Wai Kok Road.
3~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
But then, Wai Tsuen Road / Shek Wai Kok Road is already mapped as NT203. Even if we are sure this traffic signal doesn't exist, the bigger mystery is where "NT417" is; is there a way to look up a traffic signal's location based on its ref?
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Well, for starters, we have open data published by the HK gov. See https://data.gov.hk/en-data/dataset/hk-td-tis_16-traffic-aids-drawings-v2 You would need to check whether it's OK to use this, and then interpret the data format yourself. Find this mystic "NT417" from the data dump, or discover that it doesn't exist.
5~ 4 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
You can't use that. It doesn't have controller numbering data either.
6~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Well then, according to Overpass Turbo https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2dQa this is the only known instance of "NT417" in Hong Kong. I am then thinking maybe this is a fabrication, that IRL there is no such "NT417" anywhere.
7~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
OSM data has NT414 and NT415 in Fo Tan. It also has NT418 in Yuen Long, NT419 in Kam Tin, and NT420 in Kwai Chung. It seems these serial numbers are dependent on the completion date of these traffic signals. One would guess perhaps some of the traffic signals in Fo Tan (lacking ref) might be the real NT417. If anything, I see no problem deleting this and then wait for IRL survey to look at the no-ref traffic lights in Fo Tan to see whether there contains NT417.
8~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Turns out, NT417 is https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10025317359
9~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦372
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/173447973 ; closing.
4989681
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 5 months agoopenedEmoria
♦2
Unable to answer "What surface does this road have?" – Service Road – https://osm.org/way/640101062 via StreetComplete 61.3: Closed private road
2~ 5 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
This is known. It can still be added eventually.
4977665
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Shatin station; should outer platforms (aka 1 and 4) be `=siding`?
2~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
This seems simply an editing mistake https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/208232752/history/16
3~ 5 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Good find. Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/172570414 ; closing.
4980973
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Why is https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/817460283 `highway=unclassified` whereas the rest of Siu Yip Street is `highway=tertiary`? Forgotten to change in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/147584989?
2~ 5 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
You know you can simply correct these obvious omissions
4978548
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedCypp0847
♦189
the bridge area got divided up into various pieces as to differentiate opening dates and features. this made the rendering of name is quite clumsy over here. could we try and hide some of the names?
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
This is more of a renderer discussion rather than an osm one, isn't it?
3~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
For implementation, there's `bridge:part=` proposed long ago without much attention, only mass added to a hundred. The fundamental conceptual problem here is how to define a `man_made=bridge` for twin , long, and multi-stage `bridge=viaduct` , as the eastbound on the west is new far apart, and longer span.
4~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
(`bridge:part=` is not a good format either, as `bridge=` isn't a feature, unlike `building=` )
5~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
3. The `start_date=` is difficult to define. In OHM, the object's existing status is used. In OSM, often the oldest applicable is used.
6~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
4. Minor note: I didn't bother to draw the whole IEC western `=viaduct` , so doing this is also a lazy hack
7~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
5. `ref=` is another factor that needs to be considered to define a `man_made=bridge` , aside from `name=` and `start_date=` (etc)
8~ 2 months agoclosedbpaz709394
9~ 2 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
10~ 2 months agocommentedkmpoppe
♦3,682
This note was part of a mass-closure without any comment. It was subsequently reopened, as it's unclear if the problem mentioned still persists.
4954527
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
todo: new buildings
2~ 5 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦23
im unsure of what to do so can you clarify what features i should delete for the edit (e.g. the construction plot)
3~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Well, from aerial imagery, there are indeed some new buildings here, so I guess we should add the building elements and update its latest state?
4~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
indeed, because the buildings are nearly completed, the intention is to draw them on the map, and also draw the roads etc (now usually good building shapes are provided by someone else; not sure how they can draw nice-looking building shapes)
5~ 5 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦23
so, delete the inland plot feature and add everything else?
6~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
No, the `landuse=construction` is the `landuse=residential`
7~ 5 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/172531268 ; closing.
4706786
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 10 months agoopenedBallBILL
♦8
"closed down" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: Jimmy Cake Shop POI types: shop-bakery #organicmaps android
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
3~ 5 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦372
4~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
@Kovoschiz Why is this note closed without a comment? Is there really a bakery here?
5~ 5 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
User tried to delete it already https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/164848701
4706787
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 10 months agoopenedBallBILL
♦8
"closed down" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: 7-Eleven POI types: shop-convenience #organicmaps android
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
3~ 5 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦372
4~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
@Kovoschiz Why is this note closed without a comment? Is there really a 7-11 here?
5~ 5 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
User tried to delete it already https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/164848701
4922555
Category: unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
todo: review roundabout mapping
2~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Could you please elaborate on what the issue this here/what is to be reviewed? I do notice that the mapping around here is a bit odd and most certainly wrong
3~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
The roundabout feels wrong, but aerial imagery cannot see if this is an actual roundabout with an actual concrete kurb or simply just a turning circle.
4~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
The central island is traversable, so I think it should be `highway=turning_circle`.
5~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
There's a `=give_way` , so not entirely the most common `=turning_circle` , similar to `=mini_roundabout`
6~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Is the presence of a give way a factor in determining whether something is a turning circle though? I feel like its main purpose is to let buses from the bus terminus do a u-turn and leave, fitting the definition of "a widened area of road that allows vehicles to turn more easily".
7~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I think the distinction is whether a "central circle" is visible. If a "central circle" is visible then it's basically a `=mini_roundabout`. The problem is, satellite imagery cannot see whether such "central circle" exists.
8~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Not sure what you mean "visible", but there is indeed a painted circle in the middle: https://imgur.com/a/5uJE9Qi
9~ 5 months agocommentedHenryEK
♦23
this looks more like a mini roundabout than a turning circle
10~ 2 months agoclosedCypp0847
♦189
seems we could close this one - with the imagery evidence confirming this to be a mini roundabout instead of a turning circle
4703591~ 10 years agoopenednevilcheung凱昇藝術中心
2~ 10 years agoclosednevilcheung
3~ 10 years agoreopenednevilcheung
4~ 11 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Correct
5~ 11 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Feature already exists as https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3841741635 , but it seems we don't have a tag for "arts school"...?
6~ 8 months agoclosedroylo5112
7~ 6 months agoreopenedkingkingHK
♦372
8~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Perhaps `education=art_school`?
9~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I am half split between "yes let's do it" and "but it also targets school kids".
10~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I might understand this wrongly, but I feel like `education=art_school` is for adults and teens. Like, a higher-education school for future artists, and not for kids.
11~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Then, perhaps `amenity=prep_school` + `school=art`?
12~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
`=prep_school` is preparing for exams. This is `=training`
13~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Agree in principle with @kingkingHK and @Kovoschiz, but also consider doing `education=*` instead of `amenity=*` as per latest OSM recommendation: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:education
14~ 5 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
It's both `amenity=` + `education`
15~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
So, `amenity=training` + `education=training` + `training=art`?
16~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Technically, `amenity=training` is correct, but that doesn't feel right. I feel like "training" is for adults / professionals, but this being a kid's school doesn't fulfill this requirement.
17~ 2 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
I don't see why it must be for adults. The wiki defines it as "public places where you can get training". Precedent see e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12428711030
18~ 2 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Good precedent; we can type this in later.
19~ 1 month agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/177956622 ; closing.
4957458
Category: Unknown
1~ 5 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Kwun Tong Line, the directions are sus. "Westbound" but approaches Tiu Keng Leng; and vice versa?
2~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
(Problem observed at Mong Kok)
3~ 5 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Must have switched the `railway=` , while correct `route=`
4949223
Category: Unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Why is https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1205283541 a link?
2~ 6 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
User mistake, but should all be `=secondary_link`
4939458
Category: Unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
"U"nderpass?
2~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Is the name even gazetted? If not that could explain it. E.g. in https://www.td.gov.hk/en/traffic_notices/index_id_76124.html it's called "The underpass leading from Chatham Road North northbound to Gillies Avenue South southbound", and such a clumsy description likely won't be used if there's a gazetted name.
3~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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`name=` is for common names, and many names are in fact not gazetted despite both public and government use. I do a trick to use lowercase for these. Google 1st page results: https://www.td.gov.hk/filemanager/en/content_13/tokptiso/tdn41159en2.pdf https://www.legco.gov.hk/yr2025/english/subleg/negative/2025ln072-e.pdf https://www.td.gov.hk/filemanager/en/content_13/TOK/YTM/YT_PDF/2014/tdn_drone_show_in_ https://www.td.gov.hk/filemanager/en/content_13/TOK/YTM/YT_PDF/2014/tdn_drone_show_in_
4~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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Most famous example might be Rumsey St Flyover. It is used extensively, including at planning and construction historically. But the road is still not gazetted as it or Connaught Rd C.
5~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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I think I saw a map that marks this segment as "Gillies Avenue South" but I can't recall which map. If no gazetted name + no irl signposted name then might as well make it `noname=yes`; at minimum it does not seem like it should be "Wuhu Street".
6~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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1. You have to know whether that map is correct first. Even government map has many mistakes, or at least deviation from reality (depending on definition). They may overextend the gazetted naming. 2. It's not Wuhu St, but an underpass of it. Naming by what it passes is standard. 3. You would have to remove many names by this standard, when those do have common names. Eg Princess Margaret Rd Link and Ferry St Flyover was only gazetted as Hung Hom Bypass and Gascoigne Rd Flyover in recent years.
7~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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There's some official and historical basis on top of the above https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/embed.aspx?src=https://www.emsd.gov.hk/filemanager/en/content_1148/Appendix%20A%20-%20Building%20Code%20v1.0.xlsx&activecell=B2412 https://search.grs.gov.hk/repository/img?id=%2BB3GmARcUkiYebJGfIJqKA%3D%3D#page=3 https://search.grs.gov.hk/repository/img?&id=2Q7T7wF%2BeKyyliWLygafDw%3D%3D#page=6
8~ 5 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
OK, then the current situation is good enough as-is. Therefore, closing.
4927540
Category: unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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I don't think this is a tomb.
2~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
`=tomb` + `tomb=columbarium` is simply what's used for this. It's only needs to change from `historic=` to `man_made=`
3~ 6 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Indeed, I was looking at `historic=*` because that's obviously not the case. Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/171004732 ; closing.
4921002
Category: unknown
1~ 6 months agoopened---marina cove E side
2~ 6 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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29027241~ 4 years agoopenedpslau AED Location 遠東金融中心 高層客戶服務台 香港金鍾夏愨道16號 每日 09:00 AM - 09:00 PM
2~ 4 years agoclosedpslau
3~ 4 years agoreopenedpslau
4~ 6 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9184291180
4911234
Category: unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Name of https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6315211233 is dubious.
2~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
`name=` is debated against `board:title=` , which this is should not be `=guidepost`
3~ 6 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
It's actually just a banner on a railing.
4~ 4 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
If it's just a banner, then it probably isn't even a "guidepost". imo banners are not worth being mapped into OSM; too transient.
5~ 4 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Yeah, agreed on not mapping banners. Originally I thought Kovoschiz might have something to say after my comment on 29/8, but since there doesn't seem to be any further discussion, I guess I will just remove it.
6~ 4 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦372
Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/174190901 ; closing.
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Category: unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Wan Po Road south-east bound, why does the `highway=motorway` end here? Shouldn't it be extended to the end of the Wan Po Road/Chiu Shun Road/Po Yap Road Flyover, based on the continuity rule? Cf. Tsing Yi North Coastal Road.
2~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Yes, this is a good question. We had a great argument over these situations. But for here, I do think we could slightly relax the standard when it changes at the gore.
3~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Also Tunnel Area is proposed to be changed to `motorroad=yes` only, and `=trunk` here, instead of all `=motorway`
4~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
On MOS Rd, this was avoided by justifying a `highway=` change at the bus on-slip (although it was edited by someone now)
5~ 6 months agoclosedkingkingHK
♦372
Changed via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/170453952 ; closing.
6~ 6 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
7~ 6 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Re MOS road, I would think there is nothing to continue since both the "main" road and the "slip" road have their motorway status end right at the junction linking them together. But this would be going too off-topic.
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Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedkingkingHK
♦372
Very dubious speed limit (why suddenly speed limit 30 at the middle of a roundabout?).
2~ 6 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Wrong `maxspeed=` and `maxheight=`
4904578
Category: ---
1~ 6 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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I don't think node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10984688382 should be here / should exist; Fui Sha Wai is 99% located near Ping Shan. See same-name bus stop at Castle Peak Road.
2~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
No, it's simply referring to a location of the same name that historically existed here. This only needs to be judged by relevance in OSM compared to OHM.
3~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I just don't see its irl relevance when a same-name irl location exists elsewhere quite obviously.
4~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
It's possible for currently relevant locations to share names. That can't be a criteria for deciding.
5~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Also this is `=locality`
6~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
The actual situation is no one remembered to create it (did now)
7~ 5 months agoclosedvectorial8192
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I now see node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10984688382 has a `fixme=...`, so I guess this situation is done for now. Closing.
4903801
Category: unknown
1~ 6 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/11353455226 is suspicious
2~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
It's simply another historical location
3~ 6 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
To be fair this is my first time hearing about this. For a long time I would just call this area Pat Heung. Again, quoting you, perhaps this should be moved to OHM.
4~ 6 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
That's the `=suburb` , and there can be other `place=` under it. `=locality` is already the lowest level.
5~ 6 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Then, this note is due to my lack of local (rural) knowledge. Therefore, closing.
4896453
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
(northbound) Which of the 3 toll gantries is the real toll gantry?
2~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
The one here should be wrong. You should be aware there's always a pair of them for redundancy, not a single one only.
3~ 7 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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4~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
The one on the slip road is wrongly positioned. Should be upstream.
5~ 7 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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6~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
And southbound is completely wrong (and duplicating one of the correct one by me)
4894772
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
no name road, why access=private?
2~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Drainage reserve access road (was even `access=no` )
4894603
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
There exists both https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/315897141 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/12846837 , which may indicate inconsistent data.
2~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
No you should check how `type=waterway` works first
4894594
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12996644577 is suspicious
2~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
Indeed, and in fact the same user has also added a lot of very dubious names in July. Some of his edits also seem to correlate with names prescribed by protecthknames.
3~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
if protecthknames, then is potentially bannable; we will need some help.
4~ 7 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
This is not actionable unless you have commented on at least one changeset to show unresponsiveness and cooperativeness. Discussing here alone isn't enough.
5~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Apologies, I have forgotten about the "comment on the changeset" again.
6~ 5 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
I see this specific case is mostly resolved. Therefore, closing this.
4886544
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopened---Dear Mapper, There is a couple of new residential buildings here - the town plan is already gazetted. These should be government's housing.
2~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1266836324 ?
4886547
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopened---Dear Mapper, There is a confirmed construction project here where a few government housings are being constructed at this very moment. The primary development is underway.
2~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1419355192/
4861256
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Improbably narrow cliff/ridge? On the public map?
2~ 7 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Should be changed to `=ridge`
3~ 7 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
( Should draw `=ridge` , but this is possible)
4~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
If the improbable cliff is trying to describe the ridge line, then yes, I can see where this is going. However, the south side is just improbable imo. Does that mean the terraformed platform extends narrowly for very long towards the north side? I don't think so. Therefore, something sus is going on, and the improbable cliff is probably a mistake.
5~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
They can be different land formations, only coincidentally represented by the same object partially. This doesn't matter.
6~ 7 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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7~ 7 months agocommentedkingkingHK
♦372
The top of the ridge is actually flat for a width of around 1.5 metres, and both sides have a slope of around 40 degrees, which I believe is not steep enough to justify natural=cliff. For the south side, the "cliff" south of the substation is actually of a different elevation of the "cliff" north of it, just tagged with a single way. West of the substation, the hill almost exactly the same, whether north or south of the substation, except that there is a flat margin of around 1.5 metres wide surrounding the substation. The substation simply "interrupted" the ridge, forcing it to end early. There is no cliff at the north margin of the substation either; it was smoothed out to a 40 degree slope. In the end, the confusion simply arises from attempting to use the linear natural=cliff to map a 2d slope. So changing it to =ridge should be fine, or simply deleting the entire southern part; we don't need to map contours, do we?
8~ 7 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
OK, I think I am starting to understand this situation. The improbable cliff should be redrawn as a ridge. Embankments are a thing. If the slope is moderate but is still difficult to navigate perpendicular to it, then it is most probably an embankment. Afaik we do not need to draw contours (heightmap is separate from OSM), but some places there are several cliff lines that further describe the shape of the cliff; see near Choi Fook Estate.
9~ 7 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
If the top is flat, it can have both `=ridge` along the center, and `=cliff` on both sides. If the latter is argued to be not steep enough, it could be eg `=earth_bank` . The problem is `man_made=` has `=embankment` , but not `=cutting` for cut slopes.
10~ 7 months agocommentedKovoschiz
♦2,173
A "contour" can be drawn if it is a fill or cut slope. That's similar to `=embankment` which can be said less sharp topographically than these in some sense. Again the problem is missing `=cutting` , more difficult to observe, and people not being interested in them. Not that this can't be done.
11~ 7 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Thanks all for the information. The terrain is improved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/169542238 ; we can close this.
12~ 7 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
♦2,173
13~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Edited (to show what I meant)
4865203
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopened---陳家小宅
2~ 7 months agoclosed小宅陳家
3~ 7 months agoreopened小宅陳家
4~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4857598
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopened---j6rj
2~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4857600
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedMike TsangYLRN 25031117
2~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
3~ 7 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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4~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. For example never create notes such as "I was here on Saturday" or "There was a crime at this location".
4857597
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopened---6u6
2~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4845771
Category: unknown
1~ 7 months agoopenedzzhccftin sau swimming pool
2~ 7 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/313120676 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4838137
Category: unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedsignselects
♦3
新達招牌製作公司
2~ 8 months agoclosedsignselects
♦3
3~ 8 months agoreopenedsignselects
♦3
4~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Dupe https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4838136
4838129
Category: unknown
1~ 8 months agoopened---新達招牌製作
2~ 8 months agoclosedsignselects
♦3
3~ 8 months agoreopenedsignselects
♦3
4~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Dupe https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4838136
4835097
Category: unknown
1~ 8 months agoopened---綠匯學苑
2~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/435199974 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4820784
Category: unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedBrietta TsangHong Kong Jockey Club New Club house
2~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/639059945
4820783
Category: unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedBrietta TsangHong Kong Jockey Club Old Club House
2~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/639059945
41500431~ 1 year agoopened---Are these quarantine facilities still here?
2~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
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Facilities are still here but are largely unused; however also not abandoned with minimal maintenance.
3~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Changed to `disused:*=`
4803571
Category: unknown
1~ 8 months agoopenedhellowillay
♦1
Not the Cattle Depot Artist Village building, the correct building is the rectangle building behind it to the bottom left
2~ 8 months agoclosedhellowillay
♦1
3~ 8 months agoreopenedhellowillay
♦1
4~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
No problem here. What you are looking at is the entire site's icon coincidentally overlapping with it. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/225873669 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/225873672
4795501
Category: StreetComplete
1~ 9 months agoopenedHKMapper1
♦1
Unable to answer "Which direction leads upwards here?" – Steps – https://osm.org/way/750364456 via StreetComplete 61.1: Both up and down
2~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Hi there, do you know whether the escalators are both-sideways or front-back? And do you know which side escalator goes up?
3~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
This is not what it's asking. `incline=` is only about which side is upwards, not the direction of movement (or escalator).
4~ 8 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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5~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
Also something has already wrongly used `escalator=up`
6~ 8 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
♦1,283
7~ 8 months agocommentedvectorial8192
♦1,283
It is entirely possible that irl has 2 escalators instead of 1, which would then cancel the entire discussion. Reopening this.
8~ 8 months agoclosedvectorial8192
♦1,283
Oh, @Kovoschiz I see you have found out about the "2 escalator" situation before my comment. I now see/agree this is resolved.
4798398
Category: unknown
1~ 8 months agoopened---start point
2~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4796542
Category: unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---不知名地点
2~ 8 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4781601
Category: unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---1123
2~ 9 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4771561
Category: unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---22.25478,114.19601
2~ 9 months agoclosedKovoschiz
♦2,173
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4770587
Category: unknown
1~ 9 months agoopenedehcchan
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Work in progress (May 2025)
2~ 9 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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21286911~ 5 years agoopened---不存在路徑
2~ 9 months agoclosed楊展博
3~ 9 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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4744567
Category: unknown
1~ 10 months agoopened---官方路牌警告有山泥傾瀉風險,仍可通過
2~ 9 months agoclosed楊展博
3~ 9 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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4756198
Category: unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---
2~ 9 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4655375
Category: unknown
1~ 1 year agoopenedkaikaitai36my hotel
2~ 1 year agoclosedvectorial8192
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No. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes > For example never create notes such as "I was here on Saturday" or "There was a crime at this location".
3~ 9 months agoreopenedkaikaitai36
4~ 9 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4754323
Category: unknown
1~ 9 months agoopenedkaikaitai36hotel
2~ 9 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4752831
Category: unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened---3
2~ 9 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4750986
Category: unknown
1~ 9 months agoopened鄧智洪香港係一個亞洲嚟㗎
2~ 9 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4749081
Category: unknown
1~ 10 months agoopened---''
2~ 9 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4743815
Category: unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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Road can be potentially remapped (turn restrictions are too crazy/confusing)
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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No, there's no raised separation. I tested this was routed correctly by Apple Maps before they changed their data source in HK.
4742116
Category: unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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Tung Wing Road: why motorway? I do not see it being special enough to be motorway.
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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It's a Tunnel Area
4736309
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 10 months agoopenedfeel_like_me_
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"Free hot shower 7:00-23:30" OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI has no name POI types: fee-no wheelchair-yes amenity-toilets #organicmaps android
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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Dupe https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4736308
37891471~ 2 years agoopened---Ko Kee Metal & Building Materials Ltd https://goo.gl/maps/eAKXob3KN4vF5rDWA
2~ 10 months agoclosedvectorial8192
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Note invalid; closing. OSM is not allowed to just copy stuff from e.g. Google Maps.
3~ 10 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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4~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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It could be acceptable if they know this, and only tried to use Google to tell others. But anonymous notes should be cautioned.
4728291
Category: unknown
1~ 10 months agoopened---Lam Tei Quarry
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/102400027 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes Notes is a core feature of the OpenStreetMap.org website. It enables you to add a comment on the map to assist others in mapping/editing OpenStreetMap. Other users can respond to your notes, for example to ask for additional details if necessary. Please do not use notes for general discussion or storing information not otherwise used in OpenStreetMap. Use this feature to report an error in the data or to give some additional information, for instance the name of a street or an address etc. Don't use notes for yourself in a way which is useless to others. Although you can use notes as a reminder to yourself, you are also inviting others to look at it. Descriptions must make sense to other people. Sharing a link to the maps https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker
4722578
Category: unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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Review site of LPH with reference to https://www.epd.gov.hk/eia/files/applications/en/pp_656/dir_1318/profile/dir296.pdf , figure 5.2
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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Please don't rely on these. They are copyrighted.
4722929
Category: unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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Yau Pok Road, why access=no?
2~ 10 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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Forgotten to update? https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/756616939/history/4
3~ 7 months agoclosedvectorial8192
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Resolved via https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/167634943 by someone else; closing.
4705824
Category: unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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Free-hanging foot paths in the sea are suspicious.
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/164825617
4706784
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 10 months agoopenedBallBILL
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"closed down" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: 高高酒家 POI types: amenity-restaurant #organicmaps android
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4706785
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 10 months agoopenedBallBILL
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"closed down" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: E Cosway POI types: amenity-pharmacy #organicmaps android
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4706783
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 10 months agoopenedBallBILL
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"closed down" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: 西貢巴黎越南料理 Cafe de Saigon POI types: amenity-cafe #organicmaps android
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4706794
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 10 months agoopenedBallBILL
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"Closed" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: Maiams Kitchen POI types: amenity-restaurant #organicmaps android
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4706782
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 10 months agoopenedBallBILL
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"closed down" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: 櫻之滙素食料理 Meet at Sakura Veggie POI types: amenity-restaurant #organicmaps android
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4706781
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 10 months agoopenedBallBILL
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"closed down" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: IP Shop POI types: shop-appliance #organicmaps android
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4702891
Category: unknown
1~ 10 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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"Causeway Bay" as a place is undocumented in OSM. (?!)
2~ 10 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/255829293
4697657
Category: unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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Both the pedestrian street and the service road cannot possibly coexist because they seem to be describing the same irl feature.
2~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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Reworked
4695048
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 11 months agoopenedKenkton
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"Not here." The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: Milu Thai มิลู่ไทย POI types: amenity-restaurant cuisine-thai #organicmaps android
2~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4695112
3~ 11 months agoreopenedKenkton
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4~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4695112
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 11 months agoopenedKenkton
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"I previously sent a message that Muli Thai wasn't there, apologies, but it is, it's a small door that isn't easy to see. Sorry." OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: 天星大廈 Astoria Building POI types: building #organicmaps android
2~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4696524
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 11 months agoopenedKenkton
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"It is indeed difficult to find, but it is certainly not here, the address and the location are wrong" The place has gone or never existed. A user of Organic Maps application has reported that the POI was visible on the map (see snapshot date below), but was not found on the ground. OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: 添好運點心專門店 Tim Ho Wan POI types: cuisine-chinese amenity-restaurant #organicmaps android
2~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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It exists in the station. There are 3 duplicates.
3~ 11 months agoreopenedKenkton
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4~ 11 months agocommentedKenkton
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Yes, but what's the point in it being so far away, it's literally at the other side of the building. I have eaten there today and added the real one, please update. The address, according to their own official website, is: Shop 12A & 12B, Level 1, MTR Hong Kong Station, Central, Hong Kong. I have marked it accurately today.
5~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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4694249
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 11 months agoopenedKenkton
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"I wouldn't consider this a viewpoint, it's just some step." OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: 石板街 POI types: tourism-viewpoint #organicmaps android
2~ 11 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Definitely some sort of tourism item, but exact type can be reviewed.
3~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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Maps.me spam. I had already added `historic=yes` and `heritage=` , but forgot to add `*_name=` for some reason. `tourism=yes` added further. To draw an area, the surroundings will need to be tidied up.
4691875
Category: Organicmaps
1~ 11 months agoopenedKenkton
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"Capsule hostel." OSM snapshot date: 2025-02-27T10:33:49Z POI name: Sleep HKG POI types: tourism-hostel internet_access-wlan #organicmaps android
2~ 11 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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We don't seem to have a standard tag for capsule hotels.
3~ 11 months agocommentedKovoschiz
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It has been decided to use `=hostel` https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Tag:tourism=hostel Not literal `=hotel` as they are communal, mostly shared facilities https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/hostel=capsule
4~ 11 months agoclosedKenkton
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Ah, I'll know for the future then. Thanks.
5~ 11 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
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6~ 11 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Still, we can use this opportunity to improve the tagging of this feature.
7~ 5 months agocommentedkingkingHK
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Will there be any further discussion on this note? It seems like the current tagging of the feature is fine (already has `tourism=hostel`), and any further improvements of tagging probably isn't very related to this note.
8~ 5 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Don't close it yet. Highly relevant to forum discussion; see https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-should-we-tag-capsule-hotels/128371 The intention / end goal is to somehow get this through the OSM wiki / approval process.
9~ 5 months agocommentedKenkton
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I believe they should be tagged separately. They are not hostels, where rooms are shared, but they are also not hostels as facilities are shared.
10~ 5 months agocommentedKenkton
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I believe they should be tagged separately. They are not hostels, where rooms are shared, but they are also not hotels as facilities are shared.
11~ 3 months agocloseddiosdios
12~ 3 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
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4690035
Category: unknown
1~ 11 months agoopened---落馬洲全球口岸
2~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/565660647 ?
4685959
Category: unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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錦河路 Kam Ho Road has potential to be upgraded to highway=secondary
2~ 11 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Depending on the situation, might as well upgrade it all the way to `=primary`...
3~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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`=secondary` should be used for cross-district. `tertiary=` is important inside a part of a district. Tung Wui Rd is connecting between Kam Sheung Rd and Kam Tin Rd, and connecting Kam Ho Rd.
4~ 11 months agoreopenedvectorial8192
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5~ 11 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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The idea is that this section of Kam Ho Road can act as an "extension" of Tung Wui Road. Then, it acts as an alternative path to reach Kam Sheung Road station from Yuen Long. It also has high designed capacity as you can see from its almost-finished road upgrading works.
6~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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This is not relevant. The `=secondary` is not from connecting KSR station, but from connecting Kam Sheung Rd with Kam Tin Rd, and Kam Tin Bypass . `highway=` class is determined from functionality, not physical design standards. I would rather consider demoting the western section of Tung Wui Rd.
7~ 11 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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8~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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Even for physical standards, that should wait until the dualing is fully opened (at least not edited now)
4686997
Category: unknown
1~ 11 months agoopenedvectorial8192
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Because Pok Oi Interchange has recently received traffic lights, Long Lok Road has potential to be upgraded to `highway=secondary`. This upgrade allows Yuen Long Kau Hui Road to follow along the `highway=secondary` Long Lok Road towards Castle Peak Road.
2~ 11 months agocommentedvectorial8192
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Moreover, Long Yip Street / Castle Peak Road can also use Long Lok Road to travel towards Castle Peak Road. Another reason Long Lok Road has potential to be `highway=secondary` instead of currently `highway=tertiary`.
3~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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What relationship does this have? The `=secondary` is CPR-YL turning right. Banned turns are served by `=tertiary` fine.
4~ 11 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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5~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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Please avoid using Note to discuss. No one is obliged to read them. They are for adding info. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes
42440631~ 1 year agoopenedvectorial8192
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Fun Fact: you can walk past The Gate
2~ 1 year agocommentedvectorial8192
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*through
3~ 11 months agoclosedvectorial8192
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I ain't gonna get myself hate-crimed because of this. This inside joke / urban myth can allegedly ruin lives. Therefore, closing.
4~ 11 months agoreopenedKovoschiz
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5~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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Rather, we shouldn't draw a `=footway` through any structure with a gap under it. Should be usable.
22186181~ 5 years agoopenedkleeahBus Routing along Hoi Yuen Road to be added
2~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/492140546
4673741
Category: unknown
1~ 11 months agoopened---Mong Kok Air Quality Monitoring Station
2~ 11 months agoclosedKovoschiz
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/746310376