| Note | # | ⏱️ Last updated | Event | Contributor | Comment |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 5087248 Category: Unknown | 1 | ~ 2 months ago | opened | ChrisM4 | The lake has never been higher than this point. This is where the slope begins, and the water simply cannot flow uphill. There are at least 20 meters of elevation difference between this spot and the location where the lake is currently drawn. |
| 4902278 Category: unknown | 1 | ~ 6 months ago | opened | --- | Path is not clear, floods have caused many fallen trees and other obstacles. No maintenance as the path is unmarked. Not walkable path and should be changed on OpenStreetMap. |
| 2 | ~ 6 months ago | closed | ChrisM4 | Sure, the path isn’t as well maintained as many others. But some of us enjoy hiking trails like this, and this is how we find our way and navigate. When I first mapped it out, I clearly stated that people should be aware they might get lost. Still, there are some clever people around here who seem to think the name of the path matters more than the warning. | |
| 3 | ~ 5 months ago | reopened | martianfreeloader ♦1,804 | ||
| 4 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | martianfreeloader ♦1,804 | Does sac_scale apply here? I assume most data consumers ignore the note=*. | |
| 5 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | Jaka Kranjc ♦718 | It already has bad visibility marked, but the most problematic sections could be set to horrible if appropriate. Same with the SAC scale, maybe T4 in this last leg considering the description. | |
| 6 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | ChrisM4 | As I mentioned in the private message, those tags won’t solve anything, especially since very few people actually look at them, and in most cases, they don’t even show up in apps. This trail is described on Hribi.net. The trail itself isn’t particularly difficult. What makes it challenging is the orientation in two sections, and the part closer to the Rigelj route is full of fallen trees. So, this trail is definitely not suitable for casual weekend hikers. It requires some skill in navigation and prior experience. For someone who’s experienced, though, it can be an interesting challenge. The mountain rescue service would actually prefer that this trail and the one through Rigelj, be closed entirely. That’s because people who aren’t familiar with hiking or navigation end up on it, even without looking at OSM, and then they need to be rescued. Apparently, this has happened quite a few times on the Rigelj trail, which is much more passable but still unmarked. So, in my opinion, it would be best to at least add a note to the trail name indicating that it’s not suitable for regular hikers, as they could easily get lost. | |
| 7 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | Jaka Kranjc ♦718 | Difficulty is data, we should add it wherever possible regardless of rendering or other problems. It's just one of the tags. I'd also add trailblazed=no for completeness. OpenAndroMaps shows the SAC scale graphically and same for any hiking app/overlay that comes to mind (Tracestrack here on osm.org even with a label), so it is practically useful also for people that don't plan ahead. Will that stop all idiots? Of course not, but it can help. Also some apps don't render paths with too high difficulty (actually recognizing the difference between hiking and mountaineering). I'm not sure butchering the name would achieve much, since it might even attract people. But yeah, it's a hard problem. | |
| 8 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | ChrisM4 | Honestly, my main point was to highlight the issue that people could get lost no matter the tags. In this case, as already mentioned, the trail_visibility tag has been set. It seems the person who reported the issue may have overlooked that. From what I’ve seen, the SAC Scale Level T4 in OSM is described as: "Exposed areas, possibly unmarked paths, alpine experience needed." I’m not sure this is the right designation, since this isn’t really alpine hiking. It’s more like walking through a local forest. The only part of that description that might apply is "possibly unmarked paths." That said, if someone thinks this tag is appropriate or cool, I don’t mind if it’s added. Personally, I mostly use Locus Maps, which is a fairly popular app. | |
| 9 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | Jaka Kranjc ♦718 | I haven't walked it, so I can't comment on the difficulty. Most of it surely fits as T2, like the approach (pictures suggest the same: https://www.hribi.net/izlet/kraljev_hrib_domzalski_dom_na_mali_planini_preko_skorence_kacjeka_in_gamsovih_strez/3/170/2516 ). The short "mikado" sections, depending on how hard they are, deserve a different scale and potentially visibility. You can see T4 is also used on the path over Rigelj. | |
| 10 | ~ 5 months ago | commented | ChrisM4 | I'll take care of that and let you know once it's done. I'm currently tied up with some other tasks, so it might take a little while. I also got a few ideas from the user mk2k22. Since you mentioned Rigelj - it's actually a whole different beast. The Rigelj trail is quite steep, which you can clearly see from the contour lines. |