| Changeset | # | Tmstmp UTC | Contributor | Comment |
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| 126034827 by ke9tv @ 2022-09-11 03:15 | 1 | 2025-05-20 03:10 | RDreher ♦10 | Why the crap should place= reflect size? That's not how things work in New York and you know it. If you want to know the size you can just look at the population. |
| 2 | 2025-05-20 14:56 | Allison P ♦1,135 | This is how it works on OSM. | |
| 3 | 2025-05-20 16:04 | RDreher ♦10 | Well it's not how it should work. This is stupid and I hate it, and I have brooding all the damn night about how wrong it is.Using the types of place= this way is like calling something an apartment instead of a detached house just because it is large. The category we put buildings in is no... | |
| 4 | 2025-05-20 16:19 | Allison P ♦1,135 | OSM doesn't use legal classifications because they are different in every state. Treating them the same is comparing apples to oranges. The population/amenity based definition means that a place=city in Saskatchewan means roughly the same thing as in Louisiana. I'm sorry you don't lik... | |
| 5 | 2025-05-20 16:26 | RDreher ♦10 | I'm sorry you have no ability to understand how morally wrong this is. | |
| 6 | 2025-05-20 16:38 | RDreher ♦10 | Why is the point of the map to you to compare apples to apples? In the field of anthropology, such way of thinking has been greatly rejected as being imperialistic. They used to categorize people into "tribes" as opposed to "kingdoms" or "states," so that we could compa... | |
| 7 | 2025-05-20 17:26 | bhousel ♦278 | Bro, chill. The whole point of assigning place tags relative to population centers is to help software decide how big to make the labels on the map.Nobody here is trying to oppress the cultures of Colonie, Ballston Spa, or Latham. | |
| 8 | 2025-05-20 17:46 | RDreher ♦10 | Don't tell me to chill. You have no right to tell me what to care about or what not to care about. Just because something doesn't matter to you, doesn't mean it shouldn't matter to others.I've already learned from elsewhere that most software ignores these damn stupid an... | |
| 9 | 2025-05-20 18:32 | Mateusz Konieczny ♦7,574 | > You can't make these calls in any meaningful way without understanding the local customs, laws, and terminology.local customs, laws, and terminology can be tagged somehow, but place=* is not about local laws/customs/terminologyif village of 25 people is called "city" due ... | |
| 10 | 2025-05-20 18:45 | RDreher ♦10 | No you can't. The current OSM definitions for place= are absolutely meaningless and arbitrary, like calling a large house an apartment. In order to know if something is an apartment you have to know the local customs, the economic and legal rules that define that building's usage. The same... | |
| 11 | 2025-05-20 18:54 | ke9tv | @Mateusz Konieczky We're ahead of you on that. In New York, at least, we tag the form of government - the "local law" that @RDreher is referring to - on the boundary relation as 'border_type'. (Unfortunately, 'admin_level' is problematic for this: New York's ... | |
| 12 | 2025-05-20 21:58 | Mateusz Konieczny ♦7,574 | > foreigner walking into a Japanese shrine ground and calling it a mere gardenmapping garden of cultural and religious significance as a garden is fine and does not preclude mapping it also as place of worship or historic monument in the same way using standard place= tagging does not pre... | |
| 13 | 2025-05-21 01:32 | RDreher ♦10 | Your philosophy is wrong and this approach is ＠＠＠＠＠ wrong. I don't have to like it, but I am getting absolutely sick of trying to argue about it. If you don't want to see the light fine continue living in your goddam cave. I'm done with this. | |
| 126034657 by ke9tv @ 2022-09-11 03:00 | 1 | 2025-05-20 17:01 | RDreher ♦10 | The Village of Woodridge cannot be defined merely by it's regular population. This village is dead for most of the year, but then summer comes around and the Jewish community comes up to the mountains and floods it with life and traffic. All the seasonal businesses open up, and it very much is ... |
| 2 | 2025-05-20 18:01 | ke9tv | Please don't jump to conclusions. I have no objection whatsoever to overriding the 'place=*' assignment for Woodridge. (As far as I can remember, I've never been there.)When I started the exercise, virtually all the 'place=*' nodes for New York municipalities came f... | |
| 3 | 2025-05-20 19:07 | RDreher ♦10 | I understand that you were working within the frameworks generally agreed upon by the community, and that that imperfect framework is the result of how the system has developed. I vehemently disagree with the current approach, as inconsequential it might be, because it seems so much more intuitive a... | |
| 123783762 by ke9tv @ 2022-07-19 00:56 | 1 | 2024-12-27 00:52 | ZeLonewolf ♦556 | Please review this orphan boundary fragment:https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1079645908 |
| 125384260 by ke9tv @ 2022-08-26 02:00 | 1 | 2023-10-22 15:37 | bhietsch ♦66 | Just curious - what distinguishes these places (Cornwall, Newburgh, etc.) as townships and neighboring places (New Windsor, Blooming Grove, etc.) as towns? Still adapting from PA to NY local government, but seems like the two terms are used synonymously and they could be consolidated. |
| 2 | 2023-10-23 02:40 | ke9tv | Are you talking about place nodes, or admin boundaries? The terms are used differently on the two.On place nodes, the tag refers always to the importance of the place and never to the form of government. city > town > village > hamlet. This mostly got assigned by population, but ther... | |
| 3 | 2023-10-23 13:40 | bhietsch ♦66 | No kidding... appreciate the very detailed explanation. As you suspected, my confusion was around the place nodes and when it is appropriate to use place=city/town/village/etc. vs. place=municipality. I believe I'm understanding correctly now that place=municipality + not:place=town is included... | |
| 4 | 2023-10-23 14:44 | ke9tv | You seem to have captured nicely what place=* is trying to achieve, and you're more familiar with the ground truth than I am. Make it so! (If you upgrade Cornwall to place=town, then downgrade Firthcliffe to place=locality.)The admin boundary will render nicely without a label node, in t... | |
| 5 | 2023-10-23 17:14 | bhietsch ♦66 | Some of my favorite spots to go hiking! I'm finding new trails there all of the time. But sorry to hear your visit was under those circumstances.Thanks for the input and hard work you put into cleaning up all of the admin boundaries! | |
| 126625933 by ke9tv @ 2022-09-25 18:28 | 1 | 2023-03-18 14:51 | jmapb ♦403 | Howdy... From the maps, and the boundaries that you imported, I thought https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/989768152 was on state land and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20212985 was the only portion of this trail on private land. |
| 2 | 2023-03-18 14:54 | jmapb ♦403 | (also that's what the sign at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2442957559 implies iirc) | |
| 3 | 2023-03-21 01:28 | ke9tv | Oops. You're right, of course. I simply added the tagging to the wrong way.(The sign has varied. Sometimes it's just been the regular Winnisook Club poster. And there have been hikers hassled by club members who don't know that it's a public road.) | |
| 126034377 by ke9tv @ 2022-09-11 02:32 | 1 | 2022-09-20 19:51 | Greg_Rose ♦175 | Heya Kevin - Just an FYI, the upper limit of place=hamlet is generally considered to be 200-250 population. You've changed a lot of villages to hamlet which has made them effectively disappear from the map! |
| 118077218 by ke9tv @ 2022-03-04 04:09 | 1 | 2022-08-01 02:23 | RussNelson ♦47 | Why add native American names to name= when they are not used in or by the city? They are not the common names of those places. |
| 2 | 2022-08-01 03:57 | ke9tv | I chose to include Haudenosaunee toponyms, where I had them, on placesenclosed by the Six Nations' land claims that remain alive in thecurrent era. Those includehttps://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13737250 - where the Oneidastill retain a degree of sovereignty over any land to which... | |
| 3 | 2022-08-01 12:28 | RussNelson ♦47 | Oh, I didn't know about Oneida land claims. Fair enough. And yes, Salamanca might also be double-named because it *is* outright on the rez. | |
| 123493449 by ke9tv @ 2022-07-11 22:20 | 1 | 2022-07-19 00:54 | Fred73000 ♦223 | Hi,about your fixme in the relation 175775, I will suggest to you to create 2 boundary=administrative relations, one for Remsenburg, the other for Speonk, as place=hamlet, and add them to this relation as subarea relations (and remove the 2 subarea nodes when you will have created the 2 subarea ... |
| 2 | 2022-07-19 01:55 | ke9tv | Would need three relations, one for each hamlet, and one for the Census Determined Place (because that's the one with a tabulated population, a FIPS code, and so on.) I'm happy to leave just the CDP boundary for now. | |
| 121831857 by ke9tv @ 2022-06-02 01:52 | 1 | 2022-06-03 19:12 | ivanbranco ♦2,693 | Hi ke9tv,https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/174474after this edit this boundary has now a double place value "hamlet;CDP". Could you check it out?To be honest I don't think the boundary should be mapped as place=* at all since this tag is already mapped on the label no... |
| 2 | 2022-06-03 21:34 | ke9tv | Thanks for noticing this! The `hamlet;CDP` on the boundary was acopy-and-paste problem - I wasn't intentionally updating `place=*`on boundaries, only on the nodes.As far as the choice of the `place=*` value, let me begin by observingthat this edit is part of a months-long systematic ... | |
| 121170920 by ke9tv @ 2022-05-19 03:14 | 1 | 2022-05-19 13:21 | Mashin ♦555 | Hi Kevin, I saw that you removed admin tags from some of the boundary ways. Are we now keeping them only on relations? If yes, I would then go and remove them in CT as well. |
| 2 | 2022-05-19 13:33 | ke9tv | Current practice is that it's OK to remove them, but it isn't necessary. I've been removing them whenever I have any other reason to edit a municipal boundary, but not seeking them out.Lately I've been doing a comprehensive review of NY municipal boundaries, so I've been... | |
| 3 | 2022-05-19 13:53 | Mashin ♦555 | Perfect! I've seen you progress report. You're doing an awesome job! | |
| 120024486 by ke9tv @ 2022-04-22 00:50 | 1 | 2022-04-22 00:52 | ke9tv | Changeset comment s/b Town of Stockport; hamlet/CDP of Stottville; Stottville needs conflation in Town of Greenport |
| 119322984 by ke9tv @ 2022-04-05 02:10 | 1 | 2022-04-07 20:04 | user_5359 ♦19,340 | Hello (again)! Please have a look on http://www.osm.org/way/37858646. What is the meaning of the tagsGEOID = 3680423INTPTLAT = +42.6882295INTPTLON = -073.8735427PLACENS = 02390496 |
| 2 | 2022-04-08 03:39 | ke9tv | Fixed. | |
| 117661348 by ke9tv @ 2022-02-21 03:58 | 1 | 2022-03-17 08:43 | ScantLeopard336 ♦23 | I just noticed the other 2 BU campuses aren't included within the university's boundaries. Would adding them together into a relation mess with the new boundary=census tag? Should the Nature Preserve and Nuthatch Hollow also be added? It might also be worth separating the Innovative Techno... |
| 2 | 2022-03-17 13:20 | ke9tv | I can separate the Census-Determined Place into its own relation using the same boundary ways, which would mean that we won't collide if you want to change the definition of what the university includes. I'm in the middle of a few other things at the moment, but I'll do that today.\... | |
| 3 | 2022-03-17 13:43 | ke9tv | University and CDP are now separate multipolygons, so that satellite campuses, nature reserves and the like can be added to the university without affecting the CDP. Be careful with shared ways, and ask for help if you need it. | |
| 4 | 2022-03-17 20:12 | ScantLeopard336 ♦23 | Thanks for the quick response! This wasn't urgent, so you didn't need to prioritize this over your other projects. I just happened to notice the Pharmacy Campus hasn't even been mapped yet.I'll leave the nature preserves out of it for now to keep things simple. There's m... | |
| 5 | 2022-03-17 20:35 | ke9tv | No trouble at all - spiltting the relations was a two-minute job! I'll let you make the call on local land use - you have boots on the ground and I don't - Binghamton is a bit outside my usual range for mapping the details. | |
| 6 | 2022-03-17 23:55 | ScantLeopard336 ♦23 | No boots on the ground anymore - I graduated a few years ago, but I still know the area like the back of my hand. I learned OSM by mapping BU, so I like to come back and further improve this area from time to time. | |
| 118387499 by ke9tv @ 2022-03-12 06:25 | 1 | 2022-03-13 19:44 | user_5359 ♦19,340 | Hello! Please have a look on http://www.osm.org/way/1039625190, http://www.osm.org/way/1039501135, http://www.osm.org/way/1039501136. What is the meaning of the tagsGEOID = 3669265PLACENS = 02806942 |
| 2 | 2022-03-13 20:26 | ke9tv | Tags from TIGER/Line 2021 that I missed removing after I copied/pasted them to the `nist:fips_code` and `gnis:feature_id` on the relations. They're gone now. | |
| 117926898 by ke9tv @ 2022-02-28 02:24 | 1 | 2022-03-01 08:35 | user_5359 ♦19,340 | Hello! Please notice the correct notation of the key is ref:US-NY:swis (country code with upper case letter). |
| 115655475 by ke9tv @ 2022-01-02 00:36 | 1 | 2022-01-02 12:54 | wireguy ♦548 | Kev, adding way 1017472245 didn't include adding it to Ekland PA boundary relation. fixed it. |
| 114986018 by ke9tv @ 2021-12-16 04:08 | 1 | 2021-12-16 19:23 | user_5359 ♦19,340 | Hello! Please have a look on http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1eeD . Why did you this ways with a key that contains your username? |
| 2 | 2021-12-16 22:03 | ke9tv | It's a temporary tag to keep track of associations between an incremental upload and an external database. I included the username so that people like you would know whom to ask. Plan is to remove the tag once the upload no longer needs to refer back to the ways - that'll happen once town... | |
| 63292562 by ke9tv @ 2018-10-08 00:36 | 1 | 2020-06-23 11:18 | Alan Bragg ♦152 | This is very nice. I've been mapping northern Maine and many long snowmobile trails are single paths adjacent to tracks. I'm thinking of breaking them down but snowmobile route is used very little in US. All snowmobile maps seem to be made clubs not using OSM. |
| 74277720 by ke9tv @ 2019-09-09 18:42 | 1 | 2019-09-10 08:56 | mueschel ♦6,560 | Hi,this way has a large amount of imported tags, could you check that?http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/723233311Thanks! |
| 2 | 2019-09-10 11:13 | ke9tv | Oops. Fixed. | |
| 74196565 by ke9tv @ 2019-09-07 01:57 | 1 | 2019-09-10 08:58 | mueschel ♦6,560 | Hi,this node has many tags that don't seem to belong to OSM - could you check that?http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6778525738Thanks! |
| 2 | 2019-09-10 11:06 | ke9tv | oops - fixed(Those tags didn't even belong to the tower, they were on a nearby road in a layer that I was using for a visual reference. No idea how they got copied-and-pasted onto the tower.) | |
| 52876231 by ke9tv @ 2017-10-13 03:26 | 1 | 2017-10-14 06:43 | GerdP ♦2,751 | Hi!I've corrected the unusual highway=parking_aisleto highway=service. I did not add service=parking_aisle because I don't think that this is their main purpose.https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52916811See also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:service%3Dparking_aisle |
| 2 | 2017-10-14 13:44 | ke9tv | ok, thanks, must have been going blind after the number of chdr reviews this week. | |
| 52914332 by ke9tv @ 2017-10-14 01:42 | 1 | 2017-10-14 01:43 | ke9tv | oops. source should have been TIGER 2017, not 'local knowledge' |