cleary participated in the following changeset discussions
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32218701
by cleary
@ 2015-06-26 05:48
12025-02-17 01:48nevw
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Hi cleary, I noticed what appears to be an access gate but tagging is unclear.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3618906272#map=19/-23.401848/144.180508
22025-02-17 05:46cleary That was a careless error by me. I have now corrected it to barrier=cattle_grid. I do not recall any gates on that road and, looking at satellite imagery, it appears to be a cattle grid. Further, my abbreviation for cattle_grid was "ca" and I appear to have transposed the letters when I w...
32025-02-17 10:50nevw
♦1,974
Thanks mate….an impressive memory.
68942691
by cleary
@ 2019-04-06 04:28
12024-09-15 02:05GeeMaps!
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Question asked at https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4061332 Is this really a canal, or should it be a ditch?
22024-09-15 06:22cleary I had visited the general area around Deniliquin and Moulamein in the past and observed farmland, canals, wetland, waterways etc. but this particular location is not open to public access. So, like you, I have to rely on satellite imagery. Most of the farmlands in this area have irrigation canals ca...
29010611
by cleary
@ 2015-02-21 22:58
12024-02-15 10:18mrpulley
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Regarding https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/234876550 - I know your edit was a while ago, but can you confirm the current maxspeed? The reason I ask is that there is a user (possibly from overseas) maxing maxspeed changes from 'NSW Speed data', but there have been multiple problems with th...
22024-02-15 21:24cleary I saw recent discussion on talk-au list about this issue. I'm sorry but I cannot assist regarding speed limits. I have mainly concentrated on roads, farms, waterways and, while I have mapped some speed limits, I don't think I have travelled on this road again since my original edits and I ...
142654487
by Warin61
@ 2023-10-16 09:22
12023-10-16 10:04cleary Hello again Warin
We recently exchanged thoughts about spelling of Toolebuc/Tooleybuc. I think we were both of the view that the NSW and Qld placenames were spelled differently. I know I was a bit confused but I think Tooleybuc with a "y" is the NSW spelling while Toolebuc without "...
22023-10-16 10:49Warin61
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Bugger, I just changed them with this changeset :(

Ok .. I'll change all these to ummm Toolebuc .. fingers crossed...

I'll have to go looking for Tooleybuc NSW and see if those are correct ...
32023-10-16 21:23cleary It was my carelessness/inconsistency in spelling that started this problem. Thanks for your work in getting it right.
42023-10-17 07:02Warin61
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I have picked up some of my own.

I think I have all of them now.

The NSW ones look to be correct already.
32133047
by cleary
@ 2015-06-22 08:27
12023-10-11 01:14Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,

Conflict of road names here

Toolebuc Road on the road itself
and
Tooleybuc Road on the farm addresses...

A google search has
Tooleybuc for Queensland
and
Toolebuc for NSW... sigh. Translations from Aborigine I assume.

Change these all to Tooleybuc ???
22023-10-11 06:57cleary Yes, it seems I confused the NSW and QLD spellings. " Tooleybuc" with a "y" seems to be correct for Queensland. Thanks for picking this up. Please go ahead and correct my errors if you are willing to do so. Alternatively I will look but it will be a few days before I can get to i...
32023-10-11 07:00cleary No No No. I'm still confused. Queensland spelling is without the "y", isn't it? You are thinking more clearly than I am. Please fix my errors.
42023-10-11 09:29Warin61
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Don't blame you for the confusion. If we had sanskrit or cyrillic we'd know know to spell things.

I'll fix it when I get back to it. I'm slowly working through an 'error' file from rendering an Australian map, Address errors were 3.3 Mb .. now down to 2.7 Mb most of...
52023-10-11 09:52cleary Thanks.
69892708
by cleary
@ 2019-05-05 01:24
12023-09-22 14:10Mateusz Konieczny
♦7,593
Can you take a look at https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3902662 ? It almost certainly is a bit funny typo
22023-09-22 22:14cleary Fixed now. Thanks for identifying error and letting me know.
141507532
by ChonkerStonker
@ 2023-09-20 10:54
12023-09-20 21:19cleary Thanks for acting on the nonsensical "beach" tag. I was feeling a sense of alarm when I saw this area overwhelming other features on the map. I think you are correct in pondering if i using KG classification works for OSM. It is a theory (possibly with some validity - I don't know) an...
22023-09-20 23:40Ewen Hill
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Hi, thanks for the thoughts Cleary and I agree that any overall natural tag is not suitable for this or any other large relation of this size however I am please keep the KG area available for use by anyone interested in this area.
29818720
by cleary
@ 2015-03-29 04:09
12023-03-29 00:05TreeTracks
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Hi cleary, do you have any field notes on access on this road? You tagged it as private but the first section passes through a State Forest (which was added to osm after you added the service road) and looks to be public. There's a gate on the W side of the SF. Many thanks once again, Ian

ht...
22023-03-29 08:21cleary Hello Ian
I have not retained any notes from that journey along Bullagreen Lane. I appear to have noted the road through the state forest to have been a private driveway leading to the farm Widgeree. I added the name of the farm and the address, 2000 Bullagreen Lane. I feel confident that would ha...
32023-03-30 06:59TreeTracks
♦32
Thanks Michael. I'm reticent to change access restrictions unless I've ground truthed them so I might pass those queries onto you if I come across any more. Best wishes Ian
42023-03-30 07:11cleary That's fine. I'm happy to help if I can.
29942933
by cleary
@ 2015-04-03 04:12
12023-03-15 02:06TreeTracks
♦32
Hi Cleary, can you give me some feedback pls on way:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/336185313
You've tagged this as a private driveway that runs through the Mt Carl property and then continues W, then S, and then E to an unnamed farm. My reading of imagery is that the far western segment,...
22023-03-15 06:31cleary If you look closely at the NSW Base Map, I think it shows that the track is just beyond the boundary of the Conservation Area and is therefore on private land and probably a private road. The road runs through a wooded area but does not enter the conservation area, as far as I can see. I do not reca...
32023-03-15 07:12TreeTracks
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Hi again, yes, the road status is ambiguous on the Base Map. It's shown on an easement (which may or may not exist on the ground) but outside the park shading. I interpreted the parallel roads / tracks at the property (one clearly in the property and one in the easement) to suggest that the wes...
31192905
by cleary
@ 2015-05-16 04:25
12023-03-15 02:39TreeTracks
♦32
Hi again cleary, and other query... https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/345417615

The Base Map shows the road just W of this as Dalmallee Road, and this section S of the gate is unnamed. The section N of the gate (N of this way) is also called Dalmallee Road on the Base Map. Any thoughts on the nam...
22023-03-15 06:00cleary You are right. The section south of the gate should be unnamed and access=private. Dalmallee Road,the public road, is the not-so-well-maintained track to the west of the road that should be unnamed. I have looked at six maps and the NSW address location service. The farm Dalmallee's official ...
32023-03-15 07:00TreeTracks
♦32
Thanks for your quick reply. I've changed the stretch south of the gate to a private driveway now and removed the road name. Best wishes Ian
27833695
by cleary
@ 2015-01-01 01:27
12023-03-08 01:57Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,
Way: 319796961 tagged natural=water, I have added intermittent=yes. However I question if the tag natural=water is all that 'good'? The DCS Base Map shows 'Land subject to inundation' and I think that here is a flood plain ?? Yes, I know OSM does not have a tag for that yet....
22023-03-08 05:38cleary Hello Warin
Looking back, I think the Bing imagery that I used must have shown the area completely covered in water with no sign that it was intermittent. Now however it is clear from various imagery sources that the area is not always covered with water, so I agree with adding the intermittent tag...
32023-03-08 05:45cleary Sorry that was submitted before I finished editing it. The other thing I wanted to add is that I am not familiar with the "landform" tag.

As I said, I am still learning. I have studied a lot of satellite imagery, I have visited many of areas I have mapped (where they are accessible to t...
42023-03-08 09:56Warin61
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I'm using 'landform' tag like landcover and landuse. So for things like cliffs peaks .. The 'natural' tag is used for both land forms and land covers .. and is use for both natural things and man effected things.. so to me the tag 'natural' does not make much sense...
52023-03-08 10:05Warin61
♦2,663
Oh .. just found this

https://www.dcceew.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/directory.pdf

62023-03-09 05:15cleary Thanks for the feedback. I'll look further at the landform tag - I do recall that reservoirs used to be tagged as landuse but the majority view was to change to natural=water+water=reservoir. While water is a naturally occurring substance, it did seem to me that reservoirs were more appropriate...
61446061
by kwametedros
@ 2018-08-07 20:05
12023-02-19 22:22cleary Some of the name changes in this changeset were on roads that I had surveyed some years ago. I see now that the name changes are taken from the NSW LPI Base Map. This map has some obsolete names and features that were once correct but the map is sometimes not updated when changes are made. Where the...
22023-02-23 10:44cleary On further investigation, I retract some of my earlier comment. The NSW Base Map is sometimes obsolete and, if there is conflicting information, the other sources are preferred. However the DCS NSW Address Location Service is usually very accurate and, in this instance, it uses the names in the NSW ...
92982334
by cleary
@ 2020-10-24 09:15
12022-08-11 04:31TreeTracks
♦32
Hi Cleary, I wonder if you could check the paved surface tag on this way , and the adjoining ways to the north, from Fords Bridge to Ella Vale. It's tagged as paved but all the imagery I have available indicates its unpaved from the outskirts of Fords Bridge north. I think you added the surface...
22022-08-11 06:53cleary Ian, I think you are correct. I remember driving the full length of the Dowling Track and parts of some roads adjoining it. The roads were paved for a few hundred metres right at the main intersection where the hotel is located in Fords Bridge but otherwise I think most were unpaved. A few sections ...
32022-08-11 23:28TreeTracks
♦32
Hi again, thanks for your quick reply. I'll fix it up his morning. Best wishes.
42023-02-12 06:19Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,
Bing shows water in Green Creek, where as in the DCS Imagery it looks bone dry. As it flows into a 'creek' then it cannot be a river? The problem is assign it as either a river or a stream ... after rain .. during flooding it would be a lake :) I'd stick with the name 'Creek...
52023-02-12 07:43cleary
Hi Warin

I don't think that the name necessarily limits how a waterway is mapped. Cooper Creek (aka Coopers Creek) near Windorah and King Creek near Bedourie in Queensland are better-known examples - definitely rivers despite their names.

Also a river is not precluded from flowing into...
129999384
by Ewen Hill
@ 2022-12-12 13:31
12022-12-13 01:00Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,

Looks like an error?
Way 1121223120, highway=service bridge=yes, layer=1 ... that is quite a long bridge crossing a main road..
Possibly a gas pipe line road? In which case I'd map it as a track.???
22022-12-13 02:46Ewen Hill
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Thanks Warin, My mistake, I was downgrading all the CSG access roads and must have also selected the new pipeline I added. Thanks for spotting this.
32022-12-13 10:09Warin61
♦2,663
We all do those mistakes .. just different kinds to stop the boredom. :)
42022-12-13 21:33cleary Hello Ewen, I was surprised to see this road tagged as highway=service. I would have regarded it as highway=unclassified (as it had been tagged prior to your recent edit). I have mapped many similar roads and have always considered unclassified as the appropriate tag. I just checked the wiki at htt...
52022-12-13 21:36cleary I should have clarified that I was referring to Wains Road, Wieambilla.
Sorry for that oversight. The road was the site of recent tragedy and OSM map is on ABC News website.
62022-12-14 00:45Ewen Hill
♦407
Hi Cleary - I hope you are well and this was not my greatest edit ever. I thought I had only had the CSG access points marked as service but must have selected a whole lot more by mistake. Will review this now and thanks for picking this up
72022-12-14 00:52cleary Ewen, thanks for prompt response and for reviewing this.
61843017
by steerage250
@ 2018-08-21 05:39
12022-08-31 00:11cleary Hi steerage250. The history for Collet Road shows that it was named Pabellup Drive until you changed it about four years ago, and it shows that your source was "survey". I had driven along the road about a year earlier and it was clearly signposted as Pabellup Drive. Can you confirm that y...
22022-08-31 00:29steerage250
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G'day Michael,
I struggle to remember what I did last week, so have no precise memories of the trip we did. However, my GPS tracks show that we travelled down that road in August 2018, and that I recorded "Collets Rd" as a waypoint as we turned-off Devils Creek Rd (I record waypoi...
32022-08-31 00:37cleary Ian
Thanks for the prompt response and I completely understand that you would not have precise memories. Since you travelled the road after I did, I won't try to make any changes to the current status. Thanks again for your prompt response.
42022-08-31 00:43steerage250
♦14
Nowadays, I am more disciplined, and try to add a source:name=roadsign attribute.
52022-08-31 05:24cleary I think most of us are trying to improve our techniques and tagging as we get more experienced. OSM keeps getting better.
91566537
by cleary
@ 2020-09-27 00:27
12022-06-23 07:39Warin61
♦2,663
Hi
The DCS Base Map shows Brayton Rd as tertiary .. and that would not be 4DW only ?
The road continues south of this section and looks to be in similar condition yet that is tagged as 100 kmh tertiary ...
22022-06-23 11:28cleary I have mapped it as I saw it.

In about 2011 I intended to drive this road starting at Bannaby in a Holden Commodore but there was a 4WD only sign erected by Council and I did not proceed. A year later I drove it in a Prado 4WD and I had no doubt it needed the 4WD especially at the water crossing...
32022-06-23 23:16Warin61
♦2,663
Arr found a sign on the road that says '4WD recommended'...

I have come across worse roads ...
42022-06-23 23:23Warin61
♦2,663
Possibly tracktype=grade6 with 4WD=recommended?
52022-06-23 23:27cleary I can only map according to what I see. I did it as accurately as I could. But I don't claim to be right all the time and I know road conditions can change at different times. You are an experienced contributor to OSM and I will accept any changes you might make.
62022-06-24 07:39Warin61
♦2,663
We all 'map what we see'. But there different levels of experience. One 4WD towing a caravan cumming off the savanna way told me "worst road in Australia" as I was entering. However I have been on that road before .. I've been on worse,
The unfortunate bit is that renders ...
72022-06-24 09:56cleary Warin, I have driven on a range of roads including many in outback NSW and Queensland and this section of Brayton Road is well below the usual standard of dirt/gravel roads. It was very badly rutted in parts with inadequate drainage, deep ridges and holes - one would certainly want a car with good c...
78967599
by Michael McBain
@ 2019-12-28 23:10
12019-12-29 11:16WoodWoseWulf
♦1,163
Hi Michael,

Are you sure that leisure=park is the right tag for this?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=park

"A park is an area of open space for recreational use, usually designed and in semi-natural state with grassy areas, trees and bushes ... they are largely a "...
22019-12-29 12:21Michael McBain
♦1
This is my first OpenStreetMap change. The new boundaries I have uploaded for Nanya Station [AKA Nanya Arid Zone Research Station] are correct, but I may have inadvertently created a new shape on top of the old one.
32019-12-29 22:53WoodWoseWulf
♦1,163
Hi Michael,
No problem at all :), did you need some help un-duplicating things? If so, what was the source you used for the boundaries?
42019-12-30 02:22Michael McBain
♦1
I used a shapefile as a template. The shapefile is known to be accurate.
52021-10-26 04:51cleary Hello Michael
I noted that this was your first addition to OSM a couple of years ago - I hope you are able to make many more contributions.
I think I did a previous edit for Nanya Station after a visit to the area some years ago.
There area three points I'd like to mention about your entry ...
62021-10-27 10:05Michael McBain
♦1
Hello Michael:

I did a short course on adding to, and updating, OSM a few years ago, and so took the opportunity to update the Nanya AZRS boundaries, which had been annoying me for some time. I didn't do a very good job, so others [perhaps yourself] stepped in to help me generate a coherent ...
72021-10-28 01:54cleary Michael
Thanks for that information. You are obviously well informed aobut Nanya. I'd like to tidy up OSM by deleting the old outline for Nanya Station and leave only the new one. However there are several things to clarify.

I had not previously looked at the NSW SEED service - a lot of i...
82021-10-28 23:10cleary I have just noted that the eastern boundary, from your shapefile, is also different from the lots shown on the official sources - they show that Nanya's lot does not cross the Local Government boundary into Wentworth Shire but remains west of it and entirely within the Unincorporated Area. Coul...
92021-11-01 00:01Michael McBain
♦1
Hi Michael:
As often happens, what I thought was straightforward turns out not to be. I have checked with Professor Martin Westbrooke at Federation University, and he said:
"We manage that piece of land under agreement. The lease boundary is straight line [following the cadastral boundary] b...
102021-11-01 05:58cleary I've made changes to try to reflect our discussion and show accurate boundaries. The small areas under management have been mapped separately, as they are not officially part of Nanya and I didn't want to mix these less formal boundaries with official administrative boundaries. I hope I ha...
99883448
by NathanLee
@ 2021-02-24 07:47
12021-09-06 01:58cleary I have surveyed this area in the past, although not in the last couple of years. After seeing this unfamiliar way on the map, I looked at satellite imagery and the DCS NSW Base Map. I don't think the road is "unclassified" which implies a trafficable road that is neither residential n...
99887993
by cleary
@ 2021-02-24 08:48
12021-02-25 23:12TreeTracks
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Michael, I noticed this change set by chance. I don’t believe that the choke has ever been seen as extending beyond the township of Barmah. As best as I know, it has always been viewed as a feature within the Barmah / Millewa forests but not beyond. The narrowest interpretation would be the N-...
22021-02-26 01:09TheSwavu
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It's a pretty vague term, but the MDBA usually is referring to the reach from Bullatale Ck to Barmah township when they talk about the "choke":

https://www.mdba.gov.au/sites/default/files/pubs/barmah-millewa-forest-sediment-transport-investigation.pdf

You can see that the channe...
32021-02-26 04:06TreeTracks
♦32
Thanks for that report Swavu. It’s surprising how poorly the MDBA has defined the ‘choke’ given the amount of attention it gets for water management. If the choke is defined from Bullatale to Barmah township, as in that report, it basically covers the length of the Murray within th...
42021-02-26 04:59TheSwavu
♦544
They can be vague about it as it's effect is to limit how much water they can get down the Murray below the Edward. So it's a bit moot about whether the choke is 1 m or 80 km long, it has the same effect on river operations.
52021-02-26 09:02cleary Thanks to both TheSwavu and TreeTracks for your comments. I had been reflecting on it further today before I read your comments and I was feeling sure that the choke had to be limited to the areas where there is overflow to the land alongside the river and couldn't extend as far as I had mappe...
62021-02-26 09:21TreeTracks
♦32
Hiya I can do it on Sun / Mon. I’ll move it to Bullatale to Barmah as TheSwavu suggested. A relation is better than a point as it does refer to a stretch of the river. The Cadell Fault runs N-S along the W edge of the Millewa forest. If you visit Mathoura you can walk/drive down the old fault ...
72021-02-26 10:02cleary Ian, Thanks for that. Thanks also for the info about the location of the fault. I'll be interested to have a look at it even if it is not impressive.
82021-02-27 03:47TreeTracks
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Done. I added the report as a source material for the extent of the choke for verification purposes too.
92021-02-27 05:48cleary Quick work. Thanks again. Always good to improve the map.
56689556
by DareDJ
@ 2018-02-26 12:53
12020-07-19 02:51cleary Hello DareDJ
I noted that you changed the name of Lochlomond Road in Walgett, New South Wales, Australia, about two years ago. The spelling that I had initially used was based on a personal survey and note of the precise spelling on the sign located at the Castlereagh Highway. As it is not the usu...
22020-07-20 07:27DareDJ
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Hello Cleary,
you are right I also think that information's from personal surveys are more accurate (when they are not out of date) then armchair sources.
For this case it was my first month in OSM world when I make this edit and I use available official government source to change that name....
32020-07-22 05:46cleary Thanks for your response. On reflection, it is a few years since my original survey. I will look again next time I am in the vicinity. Regards.
85480022
by cleary
@ 2020-05-20 06:53
12020-05-22 19:59user_5359
♦19,351
Hello! Did you mean addr:postcode instead addr:po (see https://www.osm.org/node/7540046961
22020-05-22 23:48cleary Yes. Now fixed. Thanks for prompting me.
52588525
by TheSwavu
@ 2017-10-03 08:45
12020-04-08 02:05cleary NSW LPI BaseMap now shows the previous name (Lanihuli Road) for this road. I think it is another instance in which the LPI Base Map took a long time to be updated and showed old information for some years - but is now updated to correct name. Additionally, at survey some months ago, the name Lanihu...
22020-04-09 09:53TheSwavu
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I think I was relying on the fact that G-NAF also said it was Milanda Road as the Council is supposed to tell them when they change names. I notice it was changed to Lanihuli Road in early 2019 and the latest G-NAF now has Milanda Road back as an alternative. Guess you should just go with the sign.
32020-04-09 23:37cleary All Good. Thanks.
While NSW LPI BaseMap is a great resource, I have found many instances in which it is incorrect - as you say, they are supposed to be notified of changes but that often seems not to happen. However I have never found any error in the LPI Address Location Service, for which OSM ha...
28765275
by cleary
@ 2015-02-11 03:59
12020-03-18 05:06Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,
Node 3343155079 has addr:housename=386. Should this not be addr:housenumber=386?
22020-03-18 07:27cleary Yes. Fixed now. Thanks.
79776259
by cleary
@ 2020-01-20 05:25
12020-01-23 09:33Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,

There are a few problems showing up
https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas&lon=144.54418&lat=-29.15792&zoom=8

Good luck.
22020-01-23 10:03cleary I'll get those problems fixed tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for making comment.
59453668
by samuelrussell
@ 2018-06-01 08:29
12019-12-19 03:01cleary I think that this way (Main Barrier Range) appears to be an approximate replication of https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6791746
Unfortunately mountain ranges are not shown on the main map and it is therefore not easy to see that one has already been mapped. I think one of the two should be ...
78076299
by cleary
@ 2019-12-07 00:52
12019-12-07 04:30user_5359
♦19,351
Hello! Please have a look on the http://www.osm.org/node/4877496290/history. I changed your key "(new tag)" to source (Hoping to have fixed it correctly).
22019-12-07 07:09cleary Yes, you have it right. Thanks for rectifying this error.
75999263
by Aleksandar1994
@ 2019-10-21 13:31
12019-11-12 04:46cleary I recently surveyed along both Punchbowl Road and Nelia Bunda Road and did not see a road where you have way 737298921.

I think it is probably a fence with land cleared of vegetation on either side so that it might appear similar to a road in satellite imagery.
22019-11-12 15:05Aleksandar1994
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Hello Cleary,
Thank you once again for pointing this out, I have removed way 737298921.
Best regards
75835934
by Aleksandar1994
@ 2019-10-17 12:30
12019-11-11 04:37cleary I drove along Kynuna Road last week, and there did not appear to be a track at the point where you have it intersecting with Kynuna Road. There is a cattle grid at that point and these are usually aligned with fences. While I am uncertain, I think you have mapped a fence as a track. (I was looking ...
22019-11-12 14:57Aleksandar1994
♦52
Hello Cleary,
Thank you very much for pointing this out, I have removed the track.
Best regards
76150420
by Misa_zumba
@ 2019-10-24 12:01
12019-10-25 04:37cleary Misa_zumba
I think this is another instance where you may have added a non-existent track. Having surveyed along Saltern Creek Road, I am confident that I would have noted the presence of a track. I did in fact survey a grid where this way intersects with Saltern Creek Road. Grids almost always oc...
22019-10-25 07:47Misa_zumba
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I have fixed now the geometry of this track. I will check and delete all roads that may be suspicious. Thank you for your concern.
32019-10-25 13:15cleary Thank you.
75765314
by Misa_zumba
@ 2019-10-16 09:23
12019-10-25 04:28cleary Misa_zumba
I am concerned that you might be mis-interpreting the satellite imagery. I have driven in this area (although it was not recently). One example is that way 735120261 is almost certainly a fence not a road. A lot of fences in Australia will have cleared areas for several metres either sid...
22019-10-25 08:01Misa_zumba
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I removed several ways that I noticed that maybe a fence (two of them are the ones that you notice). Thank you for your concern about adding missing roads (which is not roads at field) that in Queensland. I will be more careful in future edits.
32019-10-25 13:14cleary OK. Thanks.
66508479
by aleksaJov
@ 2019-01-21 15:29
12019-05-06 08:58cleary I noticed that the name had been changed in OSM so I contacted Bourke Shire Council witth the core of the questions being:

"I request clarification of the correct name for the road from the Kamilaroi Highway towards Gongolgon in Brewarrrina Shire. It is the road from which Mount Oxley Road l...
22019-05-06 09:57aleksaJov
♦49
Dear cleary,

Thank you for the comprehensive answer and revert the road name.


Regards,
Aleksandar
18761661
by cleary
@ 2013-11-07 09:44
12019-04-18 03:06Warin61
♦2,663
HI,

Would this be the road junction of vic rd and Pennant Hills rds ..? might be better as the tag for highway=junction name= etc now..
22019-04-18 05:41cleary I have never used the highway=junction tag and I am uncertain of its significance or usefulness - everything seems to work without it. If I am missing something, please point me to the relevant information.

In regard to Shorts Corner, the name was formerly very popular dating back to the 1930s wh...
32019-04-18 05:58Warin61
♦2,663
It was a though to reduce the use of place=locality.. but looking at pierces corner .. there are lots of crossings of the ways there and most of them have traffic light tags on them as they should. So if I were to try and place a highway=junction where would I place it??? As highway=junction does no...
42019-04-18 09:46cleary Sounds reasonable. Happy mapping.
31936187
by cleary
@ 2015-06-13 04:45
12018-11-16 11:07LakatosVL
♦17
Hello,
this is a huge changeset, at this location -31.18719, 148.5420291 I found that the old name is Ulundry Road, but the LPI NSW Base Map shows Nortongong Road. Can you confirm which one is correct.
Thanks
22018-11-17 00:54cleary I have recorded that I obtained the name from a sign at the intersection with Castlereagh Highway approx 3 years ago. I drove on Castlereagh Highway again in approx April or May this year, correcting any discrepancies in OSM but did not change that road name, so that I think that the signed name, Ul...
32018-11-17 19:39LakatosVL
♦17
Thanks for a answer, I will put altname from LPI NSW Base Map until we get another information.
42019-01-22 06:50cleary The LPI NSW Address Location Service is a permitted data source for OSM. While the LPI Base Map contains some errors, I have found the Address Location Service to be always correct. This service identifies the road as Nortongang Road so I accept that as the current and correct name. I will leave it ...
52019-01-22 08:48LakatosVL
♦17
Thanks Cleary. I altered name as shows LPI NSW Base Map. If you find that the name has changed, be free to change it.
62019-04-16 06:46cleary I surveyed again in this area last week. The road is signposted as Ulundry Road at the western end (Castlereagh Highway) and as Nortongang Road at the eastern end. I have contacted Coonamble Shire Council to see if one sign is error or if name changes aprtway along the road.
68865411
by cleary
@ 2019-04-04 03:58
12019-04-08 22:22Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,
Way 681529263 is tagged ur=un ...???
22019-04-09 10:20cleary Now corrected to "surface=unpaved". Thanks for highlighting this error.
67635259
by cleary
@ 2019-02-28 00:27
12019-02-28 08:05Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,
Way 673509617 made into a multi poyon retlation. It is the only method to have an area with a hole in it.
22019-02-28 08:26cleary Thanks
60111716
by cleary
@ 2018-06-24 02:39
12018-07-04 05:32RoundCircle
♦9
G'day Cleary,


I recently began importing the Australian marine parks and noticed that you have made a start as well!


Unfortunately, the CAPAD 2016 data is out of date because new management plans began for almost all commonwealth reserves on the 1st of this month. Most importantly:
\...
22018-07-04 06:04RoundCircle
♦9
And just to clarify my methods,


I have not included the zoning of the reserves in my imports for a few reasons:


*It's not in CAPAD! (yet).
*A single marine park is more straightforward for OSM users.
*I am using Wikidata tags which reference the reserve as a whole (this is not a lim...
32018-07-04 06:16RoundCircle
♦9
Oh bugger, I commented on the wrong changeset.
I was explaining my reasoning for the Commonwealth reserves only.
42018-07-04 06:25TheSwavu
♦544
Please stop importing any more of this data. We only have permission from DoEE to use the CAPAD datasets. We do not have permission to use any of their other data sets. This will have to wait till 2019 when the CAPAD2018 gets released.

Also please stop importing anything else without discussing i...
52018-07-04 07:04RoundCircle
♦9
Just to clarify this is CAPAD 2016 data, with names extrapolated from the review.
62018-07-04 10:02cleary I think TheSwavu's point still stands. As far as I know we don't yet have permission to use any data, including names, from your new source. Some of the data in OSM quickly becomes obsolete and one of the merits of OSM is the ability to update it quickly - as long as it is from permitted...
72018-07-04 11:16RoundCircle
♦9
I have continued the discussion in the mailing list.
Regards,
Lee
82019-02-08 23:44Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,
The relation for Montebello Islands Marine Park (Southern Montebellos Sanctuary Zone) was not closed. I have closed it using the boundary for Montebello Islands Marine Park (General Use Zone). I used what is in OSM, no reference to anything else. Hopefully when the next release occurs this all ...
92019-02-09 04:59cleary Good work. Thank you.
55691773
by spjaquish
@ 2018-01-23 17:55
12018-07-11 02:27cleary I would like to deletie way shown on map between Burke Developmental Road and Sedan Dip Road north of Cloncurry, Queensland. I recently surveyed along Burke Developmental Road. At the western end of this "way" is the entrance and private road to a farm named Malakoff. I did not see any oth...
22018-07-11 14:49spjaquish
♦22
Hi cleary,
Thank you for your comment!
I see what you mean about this road being at least partially a fenceline. Given the lack of resources to confirm it's existence, and the likelihood that it is a private road, I think it will be fine to remove this road from the map.
Regards,
Spencer
32018-07-11 23:42cleary Thank you.
49303632
by Calpurnius
@ 2017-06-06 12:17
12018-06-17 04:35cleary I live in Australia and have travelled in some outback areas but I have never encountered a river tunnel like this. Could you please explain how you understand that this is a tunnel? Perhaps it is an incorrect tag.
22018-06-17 18:32Calpurnius
♦1
Hi Cleary. I marked the tunnel under the road but didn't reclassify it as a river for its length. Good catch and thanks.
32018-06-18 10:54cleary Now I see. It had me puzzled. Thanks.
59616093
by cleary
@ 2018-06-06 22:11
12018-06-06 23:33Warin61
♦2,663
HI,
These tags already exist in the relation - they are duplication and I have removed the tags... but

The relation is not closed.. as these 2 ways do not form an area Ways: 594644996 and 594644996.. perhaps they should be removed from the relation untill this can be resolved? Put tags on them ...
22018-06-06 23:59cleary I am still working on this relation. It is rather complex and I am doing it slowly and trying to doublecheck it. I should be finshed in a two or three days. Perhaps you might check again in a few days to be sure I have it right.
32018-06-07 00:16Warin61
♦2,663
Good Luck with it..
49184664
by cleary
@ 2017-06-02 06:03
12018-05-28 16:05CloCkWeRX
♦343
Which is the correct peak? https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4958235368
22018-05-28 23:37cleary Sorry but I don't recall the circumstances of that edit and I don't know where the second node for Philcox Hill originated. However another mapper appears already to have deleted the duplicate node. I think it is now OK.
56768634
by spjaquish
@ 2018-02-28 21:20
12018-05-14 07:49cleary Hi Spjaquish, I was trying to locate the source for the name given to the road. The data for Toolebuc Middleton Road states source:name=data.qld.gov.au However I am unable to find where this information is in one of the limited datasets for which we have been given permission. I need some data on o...
22018-05-14 15:14spjaquish
♦22
Hi Cleary,

Regarding your comment on the source of the name for Toolebuc Middleton Road, after looking into data.qld.gov.au I realized that I had accidentally applied the road name to the wrong segment. I have corrected this mistake and OSM should now reflect Toolebuc Middleton Road as the portio...
32018-05-15 22:33cleary It is about five years since I was there. A local resident told me that Toolebuc Middleton Road was the old name for Mackunda Downs Road and so I mapped it with both name and alt_name tags. If the route has bee changed since (for example, to avoid creek crossings) then perhaps Mackunda Downs Road ne...
42018-05-16 15:04spjaquish
♦22
Hi Cleary,

I would be happy to direct you to the source of my data.
I had been using a resource approved by the Queensland Government for use in OSM which may not reflect local knowledge of this road name if it has changed recently.
Further information and permissions can be found in the link b...
52018-05-17 05:08cleary Hello again Spencer,
That permission refers to Transport and Main Road datasets within tha larger data.qld.gov.au collection and it requires that each individual dataset is identified in the OSM Contributors page. I am still unable to find the data about Toolebuc Middleton Road. It would help me if...
62018-05-17 15:45spjaquish
♦22
Hi Cleary,
The file that I used is titled "Baseline roads and tracks - Queensland" which I've linked below. I hope that helps you in your mapping!
Regards,
Spencer

http://qldspatial.information.qld.gov.au/catalogue/custom/detail.page?fid={67B61562-A329-4119-929B-1D400EBE4E7F}
72018-05-18 04:46cleary Thanks for the information. Unfortunately, as far as I can ascertain, this data belongs to the Queensland Department of Natural Resources, Mines and Energy. If so, I think OSM does not have permission to use it. Hopefully we will eventually get permission.
82018-05-18 07:30cleary I have located some of that data. Much of it is diagrammatic rather than geographically accurate (i.e. it shows that roads exist and it shows approximate locations but is not precise). Also the government department which provided the data is not the organisation which is responsible for it so that ...
92018-05-18 15:20spjaquish
♦22
Hi Cleary,

Thank you for your comments and for bringing this to our attention.
Proper data usage and handling is of great importance to us and we will be looking into this further to make sure everthing is on the mark.

Regards,

Spencer
102018-05-19 10:27cleary Your response referred to "us" and I have just realised you are with the Microsoft Open Maps Team - thanks for your contributions to OSM. But I thought I should suggest to you that data, even from government sources, is often badly obsolete in some rural parts of Australia (including New ...
57585688
by cleary
@ 2018-03-28 02:35
12018-03-28 06:27Gppes
♦90
Hi, could you please clarify your intentions according to this changeset? Greetings from Austria!
22018-03-28 06:54cleary The uploaded ways did not upload correctly and multiple orphan nodes are being removed. Will be uploaded again later in smaller groups of ways.
57554119
by cleary
@ 2018-03-27 04:32
12018-03-27 10:59Gppes
♦90
Hi, your are creating a reasonable number of "coastline errors", they have quite an impact on rendering wide areas of the map!

Have a look here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=coastline#How_to_enter_the_data

Greetings from Austria, Gppes
22018-03-27 11:00Gppes
♦90
Another question, are you sure, that this "island" should be mapped? way id: 573387988, it probably contradicts the wiki (link above).
32018-03-28 04:22cleary I have been attempting to add the Recherche Archipelago Nature Reserve to the map. OSM has been given permission to include this information from official data. The archipelago consists of more than one hundred islands and I have been adding them in groups. I am aware of some errors in mapping the n...
42018-03-28 05:43Gppes
♦90
Hi, thanks for your reply. I was referring to the single island with the way id: 573387988 this single island (only this specific case) was completely covered by water and contradicts this section in the wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=coastline#Where_is_the_coastline.3F

It...
44150354
by cleary
@ 2016-12-04 04:10
12018-01-19 05:21ToeBee
♦183
Do you happen to remember details about this changeset? You mapped several barrier=gate objects like this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4537155778

Someone from that area contacted the Data Working Group complaining that their Garmin was refusing to route through these gates. This person s...
22018-01-19 07:37cleary There was definitely a gate when I went through there in approx December 2016. There were also quite a few gates on Joulnie Road and Sanpah Road and the northern section of Border Downs Road. It is not unusual to have gates on public roads in remote areas. Often local councils will construct cattle ...
32018-01-19 20:02ToeBee
♦183
So here's a neat trick. See this route: https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&route=-30.935%2C141.256%3B-30.916%2C141.249

Then switch from "Car (OSRM)" to "Car (GraphHopper)". Obviously different routing algorithms handle gates differently. And I al...
42018-01-20 04:57cleary I have now added access=yes tags to gates on public roads in this area (at least to those with which I am familiar).
52018-01-22 03:39TheSwavu
♦544
I'd be more worried about the kind of person that would be driving around this part of NSW following a route provided by their GPS rather than knowing where they are going.
52945671
by cleary
@ 2017-10-15 04:54
12017-10-18 12:53mueschel
♦6,564
Hi,
what do you mean by 'cycles' here? Bicycle or motorcycle?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/532650535#map=16/-37.8383/145.6264

Cheers, Jan
22017-10-18 23:39cleary I have changed tag to "bicycle" - was my error. Thanks for noticing and bringing it to my attention.
13600970
by cleary
@ 2012-10-23 05:07
12017-10-14 02:37aharvey
♦1,694
With relation 2521345 any reason why you've used except=psv? From the signage it should be except=bus?
22017-10-14 02:37aharvey
♦1,694
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-33.771155303278704&lng=151.08031233063525&z=17&username%5B%5D=aharvey&signs=true&pKey=tV6yavMPhO16GMGJxU_DLA&focus=photo&menu=false&x=0.8206062351231989&y=0.13901422932967647&zoom=3
32017-10-14 06:06cleary I think I was wrong, confusing "bus" with "psv". Also it appears hours have been changed since restriction was first added. I would be pleased if you could correct the information. Thanks for your conscientious observation of this error.
42017-10-15 03:00aharvey
♦1,694
no problem. done in http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52944761
48837029
by cleary
@ 2017-05-20 06:55
12017-09-26 03:03CloCkWeRX
♦343
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4865716957 and many of the others on this way seem to be duplicated nodes now
https://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?schema=50&error=103611445
22017-09-26 08:33cleary The way is actually the administrative boundary and is not necessarily that of the river. Another user added the "river" tag to the administrative boundary (which is an approximation) instead of mapping the actual river. I will contact the mapper and ask about mapping the river separately,...
16545520
by cleary
@ 2013-06-14 05:05
12017-04-03 02:23Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,
The LPI Base Map has West Tipla Rd as tertiary ... and the East Tipla Rd as secondary .. any objections to changing this?
Note .. have to add East Tipla Rd to OSM! ...
22017-04-03 04:14cleary I think it is probably outdated information in LPI map. I haven't driven all the way on the west road but the east road is very average in standard. Central Darling Shire Council rates the west side as a main road (MR) for which it would get State funding (therefore possibly a secondary in OSM...
32017-04-03 04:17Warin61
♦2,663
P.S A relevant doc
http://www.centraldarling.nsw.gov.au/about-the-shire/road-condition-report.aspx

Note the 'road description' not road name.
42017-04-03 04:25Warin61
♦2,663
Ha crossing info ... both on to the same view though.
28155091
by cleary
@ 2015-01-15 07:56
12017-03-29 02:01Warin61
♦2,663
Hi,
You have way 322193363 tagged as a private track .. the LPI base map shows this as a tertiary road ... several other roads are shown out here on the LPI Base map too. I'll put those in.
Arr came to your way 259154081 - tagged as driveway private yet LPI shows it as tertiary. Similar for ...
22017-03-29 04:11cleary I have driven on many roads in far west there but not that one, nor the roads to Cymbric Vale and WIlandra. From the Barrier Highway, those roads look like private roads and I think they had gates or cattle grids and there were definitely no signs to suggest public roads. I traced the tracks from Bi...
32017-03-29 04:15cleary Further comment. I remember driving on Waterbag Road and I recall that the track to Cymbric Vale was just a track, didn't look anything like Waterbag Road (which I think was graded and reasonable gravel suface,) and there was no sign to indicate public access was permitted to Cymbric Vale.
46889500
by cleary
@ 2017-03-16 07:16
12017-03-16 11:10CloCkWeRX
♦343
Ah nice, we did some work to add names, but not so much work to find the ones that were slightly off from data.sa.gov.au info
22017-03-17 04:50cleary Thanks for the feedback.
44528330
by cleary
@ 2016-12-19 23:12
12016-12-20 00:38TheSwavu
♦544
Err... by definition unincorporated areas don't need a admin_level=6 boundary.
22016-12-20 09:30cleary Hello Swavu. The Pastoral Unincorporated Area of South Australia is a designated area with boundaries published in the South Australian government Local Government Areas dataset. It is administered differently (it has a "designated authority" rather than a council. But then the metropolita...
32016-12-20 10:27TheSwavu
♦544
That may all be true, but this area is not administrated under the Local Government Act so therefore it's not a council and not admin_level 6.
42016-12-20 22:46tastrax
♦1,144
Given the admin levels are "proposed" in the wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative) what level do you suggest TheSwavu? From my understanding of Australia level 6 is the most appropriate.
52016-12-21 00:41TheSwavu
♦544
No level as it not a thing that you need to map. The unincorporated areas of South Australia are the bits inside the admin_level 4 boundary but not inside an admin_level 6 boundary.
42950591
by Warin61
@ 2016-10-17 04:36
12016-10-17 08:47cleary I agree that neighbourhood is not appropriate in non-urban settings. In regard to Tucklan, I surveyed there one to two years ago and I think I was able to record only two addresses in the very small Tucklan area and satellite imagery shows only two dwellings with adjacent sheds. So perhaps "iso...
22016-10-17 21:13Warin61
♦2,663
GNB has some statement of open source? Not fussed.
However the GNB 'rural place' is used for both inhabitabited places and uninhabited places! It is not a 'good' description. What attracted my attention to this was the use of neighborhood for places inside the Blue Mountains NP...
27175484
by RichardHYHo
@ 2014-12-02 10:37
12016-07-10 01:57cleary Hi. I notice you moved bus stop location (node 2626663623). I haven't caught that bus route to Blacktown for a while but I'm fairly certain it does not go down Humphries Lane. Can you please look at this again? Thanks.
36774727
by mrpulley
@ 2016-01-24 12:08
12016-07-09 08:17cleary I think way 39196209, footbridge across Parramatta River near Wilde Avenue, is beneath the road level, not on the road bridge (although there is also a footway on the road bridge but it does not provide access to the riverbank and walkway alongside river). Can we please remove layer=1 or raise the r...
22016-07-09 13:12mrpulley
♦170
OK - change made at http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40611879
39365285
by cleary
@ 2016-05-16 23:21
12016-06-29 13:23gormo
♦159
Hi,

there already is a boundary for the national park, see http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/56117565 . Please respect existing data while importing, and please tag any new information onto the existing OSM features. And please use established OSM tags, and don't just dump some external data ...
22016-07-01 00:48cleary I'm sorry for any error. I have been checking administrative boundaries in South Australia and adding relations for those boundaries. In many instances, national park boundaries coincide with administrative boundaries and, where no relation previously existed, I have also created relations for ...
40220219
by cleary
@ 2016-06-23 06:24
12016-06-28 08:10R0bst3r
♦1,094
Hi cleary,
looks like your coastline is not finished: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5213733 is separated from http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5213756. Was it intended?

Maybe "is_in:national park" can be changed to "is_in:national_park"?

Cheers, R0bst3r
22016-06-28 23:06cleary Thanks for this advice. Much appreciated. Now correct, I hope.