Changeset No. Date Contributor Comment
12018-07-11 02:27:07 UTCcleary I would like to deletie way shown on map between Burke Developmental Road and Sedan Dip Road north of Cloncurry, Queensland. I recently surveyed along Burke Developmental Road. At the western end of this "way" is the entrance and private road to a farm named Malakoff. I did not see any oth...
22018-07-11 14:49:06 UTCspjaquish Hi cleary,
Thank you for your comment!
I see what you mean about this road being at least partially a fenceline. Given the lack of resources to confirm it's existence, and the likelihood that it is a private road, I think it will be fine to remove this road from the map.
32018-07-11 23:42:47 UTCcleary Thank you.
12018-07-04 05:32:31 UTCRoundCircle G'day Cleary,

I recently began importing the Australian marine parks and noticed that you have made a start as well!

Unfortunately, the CAPAD 2016 data is out of date because new management plans began for almost all commonwealth reserves on the 1st of this month. Most importantly:

22018-07-04 06:04:14 UTCRoundCircle And just to clarify my methods,

I have not included the zoning of the reserves in my imports for a few reasons:

*It's not in CAPAD! (yet).
*A single marine park is more straightforward for OSM users.
*I am using Wikidata tags which reference the reserve as a whole (this is not a limitati...
32018-07-04 06:16:06 UTCRoundCircle Oh bugger, I commented on the wrong changeset.
I was explaining my reasoning for the Commonwealth reserves only.
42018-07-04 06:25:24 UTCTheSwavu Please stop importing any more of this data. We only have permission from DoEE to use the CAPAD datasets. We do not have permission to use any of their other data sets. This will have to wait till 2019 when the CAPAD2018 gets released.

Also please stop importing anything else without discussing i...
52018-07-04 07:04:16 UTCRoundCircle Just to clarify this is CAPAD 2016 data, with names extrapolated from the review.
62018-07-04 10:02:44 UTCcleary I think TheSwavu's point still stands. As far as I know we don't yet have permission to use any data, including names, from your new source. Some of the data in OSM quickly becomes obsolete and one of the merits of OSM is the ability to update it quickly - as long as it is from permitted sources.\...
72018-07-04 11:16:36 UTCRoundCircle I have continued the discussion in the mailing list.
12018-06-17 04:35:36 UTCcleary I live in Australia and have travelled in some outback areas but I have never encountered a river tunnel like this. Could you please explain how you understand that this is a tunnel? Perhaps it is an incorrect tag.
22018-06-17 18:32:10 UTCCalpurnius Hi Cleary. I marked the tunnel under the road but didn't reclassify it as a river for its length. Good catch and thanks.
32018-06-18 10:54:48 UTCcleary Now I see. It had me puzzled. Thanks.
12018-06-06 23:33:12 UTCWarin61 HI,
These tags already exist in the relation - they are duplication and I have removed the tags... but

The relation is not closed.. as these 2 ways do not form an area Ways: 594644996 and 594644996.. perhaps they should be removed from the relation untill this can be resolved? Put tags on them ...
22018-06-06 23:59:07 UTCcleary I am still working on this relation. It is rather complex and I am doing it slowly and trying to doublecheck it. I should be finshed in a two or three days. Perhaps you might check again in a few days to be sure I have it right.
32018-06-07 00:16:02 UTCWarin61 Good Luck with it..
12018-05-28 16:05:22 UTCCloCkWeRX Which is the correct peak?
22018-05-28 23:37:01 UTCcleary Sorry but I don't recall the circumstances of that edit and I don't know where the second node for Philcox Hill originated. However another mapper appears already to have deleted the duplicate node. I think it is now OK.
12018-05-14 07:49:44 UTCcleary Hi Spjaquish, I was trying to locate the source for the name given to the road. The data for Toolebuc Middleton Road states However I am unable to find where this information is in one of the limited datasets for which we have been given permission. I need some data on o...
22018-05-14 15:14:24 UTCspjaquish Hi Cleary,

Regarding your comment on the source of the name for Toolebuc Middleton Road, after looking into I realized that I had accidentally applied the road name to the wrong segment. I have corrected this mistake and OSM should now reflect Toolebuc Middleton Road as the portio...
32018-05-15 22:33:48 UTCcleary It is about five years since I was there. A local resident told me that Toolebuc Middleton Road was the old name for Mackunda Downs Road and so I mapped it with both name and alt_name tags. If the route has bee changed since (for example, to avoid creek crossings) then perhaps Mackunda Downs Road ne...
42018-05-16 15:04:49 UTCspjaquish Hi Cleary,

I would be happy to direct you to the source of my data.
I had been using a resource approved by the Queensland Government for use in OSM which may not reflect local knowledge of this road name if it has changed recently.
Further information and permissions can be found in the link b...
52018-05-17 05:08:07 UTCcleary Hello again Spencer,
That permission refers to Transport and Main Road datasets within tha larger collection and it requires that each individual dataset is identified in the OSM Contributors page. I am still unable to find the data about Toolebuc Middleton Road. It would help me if...
62018-05-17 15:45:26 UTCspjaquish Hi Cleary,
The file that I used is titled "Baseline roads and tracks - Queensland" which I've linked below. I hope that helps you in your mapping!
72018-05-18 04:46:52 UTCcleary Thanks for the information. Unfortunately, as far as I can ascertain, this data belongs to the Queensland Department of Natural Resources, Mines and Energy. If so, I think OSM does not have permission to use it. Hopefully we will eventually get permission.
82018-05-18 07:30:27 UTCcleary I have located some of that data. Much of it is diagrammatic rather than geographically accurate (i.e. it shows that roads exist and it shows approximate locations but is not precise). Also the government department which provided the data is not the organisation which is responsible for it so that ...
92018-05-18 15:20:00 UTCspjaquish Hi Cleary,

Thank you for your comments and for bringing this to our attention.
Proper data usage and handling is of great importance to us and we will be looking into this further to make sure everthing is on the mark.


102018-05-19 10:27:44 UTCcleary Your response referred to "us" and I have just realised you are with the Microsoft Open Maps Team - thanks for your contributions to OSM. But I thought I should suggest to you that data, even from government sources, is often badly obsolete in some rural parts of Australia (including New ...
12018-03-28 06:27:56 UTCGppes Hi, could you please clarify your intentions according to this changeset? Greetings from Austria!
22018-03-28 06:54:39 UTCcleary The uploaded ways did not upload correctly and multiple orphan nodes are being removed. Will be uploaded again later in smaller groups of ways.
12018-03-27 10:59:00 UTCGppes Hi, your are creating a reasonable number of "coastline errors", they have quite an impact on rendering wide areas of the map!

Have a look here:

Greetings from Austria, Gppes
22018-03-27 11:00:52 UTCGppes Another question, are you sure, that this "island" should be mapped? way id: 573387988, it probably contradicts the wiki (link above).
32018-03-28 04:22:54 UTCcleary I have been attempting to add the Recherche Archipelago Nature Reserve to the map. OSM has been given permission to include this information from official data. The archipelago consists of more than one hundred islands and I have been adding them in groups. I am aware of some errors in mapping the n...
42018-03-28 05:43:07 UTCGppes Hi, thanks for your reply. I was referring to the single island with the way id: 573387988 this single island (only this specific case) was completely covered by water and contradicts this section in the wiki:

12018-01-19 05:21:17 UTCToeBee Do you happen to remember details about this changeset? You mapped several barrier=gate objects like this:

Someone from that area contacted the Data Working Group complaining that their Garmin was refusing to route through these gates. This person s...
22018-01-19 07:37:28 UTCcleary There was definitely a gate when I went through there in approx December 2016. There were also quite a few gates on Joulnie Road and Sanpah Road and the northern section of Border Downs Road. It is not unusual to have gates on public roads in remote areas. Often local councils will construct cattle ...
32018-01-19 20:02:54 UTCToeBee So here's a neat trick. See this route:

Then switch from "Car (OSRM)" to "Car (GraphHopper)". Obviously different routing algorithms handle gates differently. And I also fi...
42018-01-20 04:57:31 UTCcleary I have now added access=yes tags to gates on public roads in this area (at least to those with which I am familiar).
52018-01-22 03:39:07 UTCTheSwavu I'd be more worried about the kind of person that would be driving around this part of NSW following a route provided by their GPS rather than knowing where they are going.
12017-10-18 12:53:32 UTCmueschel Hi,
what do you mean by 'cycles' here? Bicycle or motorcycle?

Cheers, Jan
22017-10-18 23:39:26 UTCcleary I have changed tag to "bicycle" - was my error. Thanks for noticing and bringing it to my attention.
12017-10-14 02:37:22 UTCaharvey With relation 2521345 any reason why you've used except=psv? From the signage it should be except=bus?
22017-10-14 02:37:53 UTCaharvey
32017-10-14 06:06:11 UTCcleary I think I was wrong, confusing "bus" with "psv". Also it appears hours have been changed since restriction was first added. I would be pleased if you could correct the information. Thanks for your conscientious observation of this error.
42017-10-15 03:00:08 UTCaharvey no problem. done in
12017-09-26 03:03:31 UTCCloCkWeRX and many of the others on this way seem to be duplicated nodes now
22017-09-26 08:33:08 UTCcleary The way is actually the administrative boundary and is not necessarily that of the river. Another user added the "river" tag to the administrative boundary (which is an approximation) instead of mapping the actual river. I will contact the mapper and ask about mapping the river separately,...
12017-04-03 02:23:10 UTCWarin61 Hi,
The LPI Base Map has West Tipla Rd as tertiary ... and the East Tipla Rd as secondary .. any objections to changing this?
Note .. have to add East Tipla Rd to OSM! ...
22017-04-03 04:14:41 UTCcleary I think it is probably outdated information in LPI map. I haven't driven all the way on the west road but the east road is very average in standard. Central Darling Shire Council rates the west side as a main road (MR) for which it would get State funding (therefore possibly a secondary in OSM) and...
32017-04-03 04:17:32 UTCWarin61 P.S A relevant doc

Note the 'road description' not road name.
42017-04-03 04:25:27 UTCWarin61 Ha crossing info ... both on to the same view though.
12017-03-29 02:01:33 UTCWarin61 Hi,
You have way 322193363 tagged as a private track .. the LPI base map shows this as a tertiary road ... several other roads are shown out here on the LPI Base map too. I'll put those in.
Arr came to your way 259154081 - tagged as driveway private yet LPI shows it as tertiary. Similar for way 3...
22017-03-29 04:11:24 UTCcleary I have driven on many roads in far west there but not that one, nor the roads to Cymbric Vale and WIlandra. From the Barrier Highway, those roads look like private roads and I think they had gates or cattle grids and there were definitely no signs to suggest public roads. I traced the tracks from Bi...
32017-03-29 04:15:44 UTCcleary Further comment. I remember driving on Waterbag Road and I recall that the track to Cymbric Vale was just a track, didn't look anything like Waterbag Road (which I think was graded and reasonable gravel suface,) and there was no sign to indicate public access was permitted to Cymbric Vale.
12017-03-16 11:10:35 UTCCloCkWeRX Ah nice, we did some work to add names, but not so much work to find the ones that were slightly off from info
22017-03-17 04:50:48 UTCcleary Thanks for the feedback.
12016-12-20 00:38:55 UTCTheSwavu Err... by definition unincorporated areas don't need a admin_level=6 boundary.
22016-12-20 09:30:31 UTCcleary Hello Swavu. The Pastoral Unincorporated Area of South Australia is a designated area with boundaries published in the South Australian government Local Government Areas dataset. It is administered differently (it has a "designated authority" rather than a council. But then the metropolita...
32016-12-20 10:27:50 UTCTheSwavu That may all be true, but this area is not administrated under the Local Government Act so therefore it's not a council and not admin_level 6.
42016-12-20 22:46:08 UTCtastrax Given the admin levels are "proposed" in the wiki ( what level do you suggest TheSwavu? From my understanding of Australia level 6 is the most appropriate.
52016-12-21 00:41:00 UTCTheSwavu No level as it not a thing that you need to map. The unincorporated areas of South Australia are the bits inside the admin_level 4 boundary but not inside an admin_level 6 boundary.
12016-10-17 08:47:35 UTCcleary I agree that neighbourhood is not appropriate in non-urban settings. In regard to Tucklan, I surveyed there one to two years ago and I think I was able to record only two addresses in the very small Tucklan area and satellite imagery shows only two dwellings with adjacent sheds. So perhaps "iso...
22016-10-17 21:13:02 UTCWarin61 GNB has some statement of open source? Not fussed.
However the GNB 'rural place' is used for both inhabitabited places and uninhabited places! It is not a 'good' description. What attracted my attention to this was the use of neighborhood for places inside the Blue Mountains NP that have never bee...
12016-07-10 01:57:45 UTCcleary Hi. I notice you moved bus stop location (node 2626663623). I haven't caught that bus route to Blacktown for a while but I'm fairly certain it does not go down Humphries Lane. Can you please look at this again? Thanks.
12016-07-09 08:17:55 UTCcleary I think way 39196209, footbridge across Parramatta River near Wilde Avenue, is beneath the road level, not on the road bridge (although there is also a footway on the road bridge but it does not provide access to the riverbank and walkway alongside river). Can we please remove layer=1 or raise the r...
22016-07-09 13:12:16 UTCmrpulley OK - change made at
12016-06-29 13:23:18 UTCgormo Hi,

there already is a boundary for the national park, see . Please respect existing data while importing, and please tag any new information onto the existing OSM features. And please use established OSM tags, and don't just dump some external data onto ...
22016-07-01 00:48:41 UTCcleary I'm sorry for any error. I have been checking administrative boundaries in South Australia and adding relations for those boundaries. In many instances, national park boundaries coincide with administrative boundaries and, where no relation previously existed, I have also created relations for the n...
12016-06-28 08:10:23 UTCR0bst3r Hi cleary,
looks like your coastline is not finished: is separated from Was it intended?

Maybe "is_in:national park" can be changed to "is_in:national_park"?

Cheers, R0bst3r
22016-06-28 23:06:54 UTCcleary Thanks for this advice. Much appreciated. Now correct, I hope.
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