Changeset No. Date Contributor Comment
12017-10-23 06:20:53 UTCaharvey The phone number should be in the format +61 2 9XXX XXX.
22017-10-23 07:41:16 UTCAlex Schroeder Thanks, fixed.
12017-10-23 06:18:26 UTCaharvey It says at that roundabouts should be mapped out as circular ways. But I don't have an opinion on this and certainly as a node is better than not at all.
12017-10-23 06:13:32 UTCaharvey If you know the post office is here did you wanted to deleted the one at ? The other one lists a copyrighted source, so happy to delete it over yours.
22017-10-23 06:41:44 UTCtechsolvers Good point, I hadn't considered that the old entry would still be there. I've deleted it.
12017-10-22 11:28:28 UTCnevw Should levers be written with an upper case L or is it a peculiar name that begins with a lower case l?
22017-10-22 21:25:44 UTCwanderlustig I thought the notes added to those features made it clear that Ievers (presumably pronounced "EYE-vers") is correct. Please modify the notes accordingly If you can devise some more effective way of communicating this.
32017-10-23 02:47:32 UTCnevw Yes, these comments make it clear that it is a peculiar name that begins with a lower case l.
42017-10-23 02:54:12 UTCnevw Correction.... it begins with an I (an upper case 'eye') and not a lower case l ('ell').
52017-10-23 05:30:59 UTCaharvey PS you could also add
12017-10-20 07:31:16 UTCaharvey Hey, just a tip. Since these residential lots share borders in reality, the ways should share nodes so there are no gaps in between.

PS. the building=house tag is for the building footprint, which is why these were changed to landuse=residential.
12017-10-20 00:56:48 UTCaharvey What's the policy on SEO edits, I encounter them almost every day and not really sure what to do. The ones I encounter it's a new OSM account for each "customer" and they never use the correct format for opening_hours or accepted payments etc.
22017-10-20 05:55:55 UTCwoodpeck There's no written policy but first and foremost the rule is "no advertising", i.e. anything with a "description" tag that tells us how the excellent lawyer has been helping their clients for a decade should be deleted on sight. Another frequent problem is bad or missing tags, or...
12017-10-20 00:47:56 UTCaharvey Is it really named "indistinct track"?
Better to use so it get's the right classification.
12017-10-20 00:34:28 UTCaharvey Hi, welcome to OSM!

I'd suggest you take a look at these tags. They are much more widely accepted (about 5000 places tagged that way already in OSM) and mean people interested in fishing and scuba will be able to find this place as it will show up in their searches etc.

12017-10-19 22:45:29 UTCWarin61 Hi,
Relation \t7660949 - highway=pedestrian .... with one member as an inner ... is wrong!

I think the area is a tree area .. and should be simply tagged on the way 533296035 as natural=wood and landcover=trees. The relation 7660949 can be deleted.

The relation 7660948 highway=pedestrian ....
22017-10-20 00:28:00 UTCaharvey PS. maybe also try editing in JOSM, personally I find it easier to deal with relations compared with the iD editor.
32017-10-22 10:14:16 UTCzatuim OK, I tried the changes you suggested. Not sure if it's what you wanted exact to how you said.

I have tried JOSM, but find it a bit too complex, that's why I used iD.
42017-10-22 21:31:14 UTCWarin61 Some comments;

The tag "area=yes" is not required.

The Relation: 7670619 has one member Way: 533296035 as "inner". But an inner of what??? Water Park Wet 'n' Wild Gold Coast? Retail Movie World? Village Boundary Oxenford? County Boundary Gold Coast City? State Boundary Que...
12017-10-14 13:19:40 UTCnevw You are welcome to map the driveways. If at a later stage you add footways you would have a node at each driveway they cross or add the sidewalk tag to the streets.
22017-10-15 06:19:44 UTCaharvey If they lead to a private property I've marked them access=private when I've mapped, although strictly only past the front fence is private.
12017-10-14 02:37:22 UTCaharvey With relation 2521345 any reason why you've used except=psv? From the signage it should be except=bus?
22017-10-14 02:37:53 UTCaharvey
32017-10-14 06:06:11 UTCcleary I think I was wrong, confusing "bus" with "psv". Also it appears hours have been changed since restriction was first added. I would be pleased if you could correct the information. Thanks for your conscientious observation of this error.
42017-10-15 03:00:08 UTCaharvey no problem. done in
12017-10-12 21:19:08 UTCWarin61 No.

Part, and only part, of these streets are used as the boundaries of Parramatta and Westmead councils. So they have to be, at least, in 2 bits.

Use the LPI Base Map to view this information - the pail dotted lines.

22017-10-13 22:16:47 UTCaharvey @Daryl Radivokevic Unfortuantly the iD editor doesn't warn you when your changes affect a relation, so just try to watch out for how changes will affect relations too. When you go to save your changes in iD it will list what's changed and if it lists relations that you didn't intend to change you ca...
12017-10-07 07:01:55 UTCaharvey I don
22017-10-07 07:02:59 UTCaharvey I don't understand, no u-turn from and to the same way? What's the purpose of this?
32017-10-11 15:05:25 UTCBrettM6000 Hi. I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking about the "No U Turn" on Warringah Rd at Bangalla Pl, or the "No U Turn" on Bangalla Pl at Warringah Rd?
42017-10-12 01:17:49 UTCaharvey Sorry that's a bad example since I re-purposed your relation.

See any of these

No uturn restrictions from and to the same way.
52017-10-12 01:18:58 UTCaharvey
62017-10-12 04:30:38 UTCBrettM6000 If you look at 7010988 for example, I think I just put it in for completeness when I was doing other things. It just means that you can't drive west on Bangala Pl and perform a U Turn on Warringah Rd and go back to Bangala Pl. I think it is correct but I guess you are just saying that it is redundan...
72017-10-12 07:25:46 UTCaharvey Hmm I feel it's redundant as it's no different to most other intersections in OSM right? I don't think it makes sense to have a no-u-turn relation on every single intersection unless signposted.
12017-10-08 09:21:20 UTCaharvey I tried but couldn't find the track you added from Erskine Creek to the parking lot at the top of Nepean Lookout Firetrail. I checked both ends with no success. It could be well overgrown by now. I'm tempted to remove, do you have any advice?
22017-10-08 11:01:07 UTCMCH Haven't been there for a long time, although I rode past two weeks ago. It was a popular tack down to the creek from memory and was easy to find. I wouldn't remove any track unless you can be 100% sure it's just not active. Call the NPWS ranger Tina and she will let you.
32017-10-08 11:05:00 UTCMCH
42017-10-08 11:07:28 UTCaharvey Sorry I should have been more clear. It's specifically this way
52017-10-08 11:18:58 UTCMCH Sure, I remember walling along the creek with a group of other locals that had been there before, the track was vague and may have over grown. The last section was added by you? Just remove what you think is best. The section of track out to the Dam was closed off many years back, so the area has ch...
62017-10-08 11:38:31 UTCaharvey The whole section was added by you I split the way so I could add a different trail_visibility to the section along the creek (which is vague and overgrown, but there is still a path, hence trail_visibility=horrible) to the part that seemingly goes ...
12017-10-08 10:49:12 UTCaharvey hi! Thanks for adding this.

The name key should only be used for a name, not a description or classification of what the feature is, so I've removed "Billabong". See

In OSM water=pond is more fo...
12017-10-07 07:07:54 UTCaharvey Any reason why is bicycle=designated? I couldn't find any signage or markings indicating that.
12017-10-05 13:14:30 UTCaharvey Isn't landuse=grass?

Could you explain the motives behind deleting ? Thanks.
22017-10-05 22:05:15 UTCWilson Yung ah...I think it's an accident..what I was trying to do is remove the duplicate "cook Park" name at -34.004397, 151.129002, as there is a "cook park" near by at -33.995383, 151.145602.

32017-10-05 23:48:29 UTCaharvey The whole area is referred to as "Cook Park" all the way from up near Kyeemagh down to at least Sandringham.

The south part near Captain Cook Bridge I think is un-signposted so simply landuse=grass. If you've confirmed it's not part of Cook Park, then simply removing http://www.openstre...
42017-10-06 01:42:05 UTCWilson Yung Yes that;s my intention. I'll leave you to it as you have surveyed there. :)
52017-10-06 02:37:10 UTCaharvey I've reverted this changeset. In the iD or JOSM editor, if you change the background imagery to LPI Base Map you'll see the part near Captain Cook Bridge is labelled Cook Park. This lines up with what I saw in out of copyright historical maps of the area. It's just there is no signage... so I don't ...
12017-10-05 13:08:11 UTCaharvey Hi,

Could you please explain the reasoning behind deleting this? Checking out this place on Mapillary it looks like there is something there. Given the part was only added a month ago, it seems like it's trying to map the facility which is t...
22017-10-05 22:17:00 UTCWilson Yung Judging from the size and imagery, I wouldn't say it is a park. But I agree with you that the facility should be mapped. What I did here was only delete the park point and polygon.
32017-10-05 23:07:01 UTCaharvey Thanks. The OSM Wiki says for leisure=park "A park is an area of open space provided for recreational use, usually designed and in semi-natural state with grassy areas, trees and bushes. Parks are often but not always municipal."

This is an area of open space for recreational (Refreshme...
42017-10-05 23:19:00 UTCWilson Yung I am actually going to walk pass by that area I'll have a closer look and see.
thanks for pulling up the definition of park.
52017-10-05 23:41:13 UTCaharvey Perfect. Would be interested to see if it has a name sign posted, since it was mapped out with a name originally.
62017-10-06 01:30:39 UTCWilson Yung It's a tiny pocket park, with wooden deck.
I haven't seen any signpost, however saw a picnic table/chair and bike rack on site.
72017-10-06 01:47:21 UTCWilson Yung I don't know how to revert changes in the browser, could you revert that change and I could add the facilities on it?
82017-10-06 02:34:15 UTCaharvey Done. I've removed the node, left the area. Marked it as surface=paving_stones. I know it's not all paving_stones, but it might be a good way to say mostly it is? I'd already added the bicycle_parking at But please do add any further details from your s...
12017-10-05 13:36:15 UTCaharvey Hey mate,

I think it's better to not snap things like parks, parking etc to the road, and instead try to mark out the exact extent which doesn't normally extend out until the road center line.

If for cartographic reasons that effect is desired it's better to do that as a post processing step o...
22017-10-06 00:40:25 UTCMaradona11 hi mate,

yeah I attend to agree with that we should be marking out exact extent of a feature in most cases. However, I find better to snap non-routeable objects (exlude buildings) to the road centre line as it is much more visual appealing when looking at map tiles generated from osm data from m...
32017-10-06 01:20:02 UTCaharvey Check out:

"...when the way is a highway, it usu...
12017-10-05 23:16:22 UTCWilson Yung summary should be : delete duplicate police station, add point as MDAA. However I am not sure which key/tag MDAA should use.
22017-10-05 23:58:34 UTCaharvey is it an office where people work from? How about

If it provides services out of that location with social_facility:for=disabled ?

I'd use the full name in the name tag, and s...
12017-10-05 22:57:13 UTCaharvey I noticed the cafe you added was already mapped in OSM

I've deleted your one and kept the one which was there first, just updating the position slightly to where you had it.
12017-10-05 13:30:33 UTCaharvey This node somehow got caught up with the road. Instead of deleting the tags I've restored it's position and detached it from the way in

If you've surved that there is no library then that's fine, but I guess you're just deleting it since it was inc...
22017-10-05 21:50:14 UTCWilson Yung I saw two byron bay library, one at -28.642389, 153.610847(the one I deleted)
,the other at -28.643286, 153.615522( which is the real byron bay library location)
32017-10-05 22:52:42 UTCaharvey Got it, I was confused as the changeset comment was "hotel name change".

It would be awesome if you mentioned this in the changeset comment, something like "removing duplicate library already existing at". Thanks!
42017-10-05 22:58:23 UTCWilson Yung I will make sure changes are reflected in the summary....especially when I move from one location to the other...
12017-10-05 13:03:28 UTCaharvey Hi there, did you really mean to delete this beach?
22017-10-05 21:42:49 UTCWilson Yung there's another silica beach nearby in the south west at silica cove(-35.077967, 150.776625). I should just get rid of the name, rather than the polygon itself.
32017-10-05 22:48:34 UTCaharvey That's right, the beach is still there, so if you only want to remove the name, just delete the name tag.

I reverted your changeset since the beach is still there, but you can go in and just fix the name.
42017-10-05 22:50:49 UTCaharvey PS. it's great that you're using changeset comments, they are super helpful for others to understand intentions and what you're trying to do. I can see here you've used the same comment as last changeset, I know it's easy to make that mistake, I have too, so keep in mind of that next time. Cheers.
52017-10-05 22:59:44 UTCWilson Yung Done...Thanks:)
12017-10-05 22:05:26 UTCaharvey I can see where you're coming from, and honestly I'm not sure what we should have in OSM here, but the path from Burning Palms to Figure of Eight Pool was marked as trail_visibility=no which means pathless so no evident trail on the ground. This passage is very well used by people so I'd argue it's ...
22017-10-05 22:07:52 UTCaharvey On the otherhand there are no markings on the ground, and it might be better to add tags to the rock to indicate it's passable so routers can choose to go over the rock.
12017-10-04 12:01:46 UTCaharvey Hi Miles,

Thanks for contributing to OSM. However it appears you've used a copyrighted source of data here which we don't have a license to use. Could you please post back any details I'm missing?
22017-10-21 12:36:20 UTCSomeoneElse_Revert This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 53127025 where the changeset comment is: Reverting some names copied from
12017-09-30 23:02:39 UTCtonyf1 Hi. I think bicycles=no means that it is not possible to take a bicycle on the ferry. says that subject to dimensions they can for $15. The issue that you want to address is with the routing software and not the map.
22017-10-01 01:44:40 UTCAushiker Thanks for the explanation. I and others have taken the issue with the routing software developer so hopefully we can resolve it from their end.
32017-10-02 20:20:04 UTCaharvey Mind if I ask which routing software you're having the issue with?
42017-10-03 00:27:20 UTCAushiker Sure. It is Wahoo Fitness "Take me anywhere" feature which is part of their Android app for the Wahoo Elemnt [and Bolt] bicycle computer/GPS.
52017-10-09 05:06:42 UTCtonyf1 I removed bicycle=no in Changeset #52747057. I hope you are OK with that.
62017-10-10 05:03:11 UTCAushiker No worries. Thanks for fixing.
12017-09-26 17:33:40 UTCmavl Hello. The copyrighted data are deleted.
22017-09-26 20:04:03 UTCPierce What copyrighted data?
32017-09-27 03:56:08 UTCmavl Probably, the address data. The changeset tag is So this source is incompatible.
42017-09-28 08:03:01 UTCaharvey as a custom imagery source? Surely that's a big no-no?
52017-09-28 09:54:05 UTCPierce I honestly didn't think I added it as a custom imagery source. Is there any editor that has JOSM, merkaartor, potlatch?

I'm not trying to excuse the revert, I'm just curious how it came about. It's a shame that all that work has been reverted though.
62017-09-28 10:40:15 UTCmavl > Is there any editor that has JOSM, merkaartor, potlatch?

I think that no because "here" is in general blacklist.
72017-09-28 12:18:37 UTCaharvey The buildings were done in which used Bing so they are fine, and the squaring is imagery agnostic. It's just the street addresses mavi reverted. @Pierce could you confirm where the addresses came from?
12017-09-28 07:46:27 UTCaharvey Similar to I've added some extra tags to your SLSC's.
22017-09-29 00:47:36 UTCdbaupp Oh, awesome, didn't realise they existed!
12017-09-21 09:04:36 UTCnevw As you are SEO experts, I thought for this and future business listings you may wish to know...
I noticed a mi-spelt tag...
Openig hours \t8:30am to 5:30pm
...also hours format is not correct for OSM
The correct format for phone ...
22017-09-22 06:23:25 UTCHarald Hartmann And SEO descriptions are unwanted, too! I could be, that someone could revert this entry.
32017-09-28 07:19:08 UTCaharvey This place probably got a 3rd party SEO company to do their SEO. The same place that's been going crazy adding incorrectly formatted opening_hours, phone and payment method tags...
12017-09-28 07:04:20 UTCaharvey I'm +1 for this, if these recurrent SEO operators still can't get the tagging syntax right and don't bother replying to changeset comments then by all means remove tags which are invalid and create a mess in OSM.

I wish these operators would use the same username rather than creating a new user f...
12017-09-27 07:50:41 UTCaharvey I know it's been 5 years but in line with I have a few issues with this.

1. "Unmarked Suggested Bike Route" if it's unmarked on the ground and only a suggested route according to the website you linked to, then it doesn't belong in OSM.\...
22017-09-27 08:51:48 UTCefAston These suggested bike routes are useless anyway, they're actually worth avoiding (the NSW RTA hates cyclists and just wants them out of the way, they don't care whether the road is actually suitable for riding or not).

The problem with mapping cycle routes in NSW is that a lot of the cycle routes ...
32017-09-27 23:21:49 UTCaharvey I concur, it's better for bicycle routing engines using OSM to favour actual infrastructure over routes because the presence of a route says nothing about the infrastructure present or it's suitability. That said, route actually marked still should have some weight since they can be easier to follow...
12017-09-24 10:16:53 UTCHarald Hartmann Hello aharvey. At
you have tagged `bus:maxweight` instead of the more common `maxweight:...`. Please have a look at
22017-09-25 07:50:02 UTCaharvey Thanks! didn't explain how to tag mode specific maxweights, but looking at taginfo maxweight:mode is much more common than mode:maxweight so I've swaped it over.

Still not sure if maxweight=10 + maxweight:bus=no is the correct way to tag "10 t...
12017-09-24 11:08:54 UTCaharvey I strongly disagree with this edit.

A feature tagged as source=survey should take precedence over the LPI Base Map and where they differ the ground survey should be what is in OSM.

Take as a concrete example, it was carefully mapped out via s...
22017-09-24 21:57:46 UTCWarin61 Looking at Bunyan Lookout Trail (222408586) (using LPI Imagery) which I also changed from path to track I can clearly see 2 wheel tracks - thus it is clearly a trail, not a path.

The Lost World Trail (222408585) is harder to see with the imagery .. it may be wide enough for a vehicle .. but is ...
32017-09-25 00:19:09 UTCaharvey I've gone ahead and fixed this up in based on my survey of the area yesterday.

Only part of is track, the other part is path.

Even if these were tracks used by vehicles or planned as such, the current ...
12017-09-20 15:05:06 UTCHarald Hartmann Hello aharvey. You have add a lot new fitness_station subkeys. Had you looked on before? Have you documented this new subkeys in the wiki? ;-) #newkey
22017-09-20 22:55:32 UTCaharvey Are you referring to the style "fitness_station:horizontal_bar=yes", I'm discussing this at and more input would be appreciated.

The problem is I read and understand the wiki ar...
12017-09-20 03:18:43 UTCaharvey Not sure what happened this changeset took the oneway=yes off the Mona Vale Road Onramp/Offramp. I've fixed it up.
12017-09-19 00:11:12 UTCaharvey Hi, welcome to OSM.

Do you know the current state? Is it a construction site, or is the new building already up?

In addition to removing the old hotel, you could add either landuse=construction, or add the new building=apartments
22017-09-19 00:17:27 UTCaharvey Building is still there as of 1 month ago so I assume you mean the building changed from an apartment hotel to regular apartments?
32017-09-19 00:28:23 UTCQuirijnGB Correct. Its the same building.
12017-09-19 00:06:07 UTCaharvey Hi, welcome to OSM.
I think it's appropriate to add office=it, see
Also the format for the phone number is described at it needs the +61 country code.
22017-09-19 02:42:54 UTCCloCkWeRX It's better to trace the individual building outline, not the entire block of land.

I'm going to wager that it would be very difficult to or even impossible to confirm this via survey as a web design office, I tend to prefer to leave this kind of detail off the map
12017-09-19 00:04:12 UTCaharvey Hi, welcome to OSM.

I think it's appropriate to add office=it, see

Also the format for the phone number is described at it needs the +61 country code.
12017-09-17 23:11:37 UTCaharvey Hi, you've added the network=Sydney Transport. What does this mean? I've never heard of Sydney Transport as an entity.

"Sydney Trains is the operator of rail services across the metropolitan Sydney area, bounded by Berowra, Emu Plains, Macarthur and Waterfall." [https://www.transport.ns...
12017-09-17 10:59:04 UTCaharvey Hi, it looks like you added sport=climbing to When I visited here, it looks like it only offered abseiling, not climbing, can you confirm? only describes climbing not abseiling so unless there...
12017-09-17 10:27:03 UTCaharvey HI, I couldn't find this track at all, no evidence on the ground of the track, do you think I can remove it?
12017-09-14 14:26:31 UTCaharvey Hi!

The way you edited has 3 lanes only the left most is psv only, the rightmost two are normal.

I've changed the tags over to use lanes:psv=designated|yes|yes, per but still no...
22017-09-14 19:56:49 UTCmueschel Ah ok, this I couldn't see when reading the tags.
The correct tagging is:
vehicle:lanes = no | |
psv:lanes = designated | |

'lanes:psv' can only be used to mark that there is a psv lane, but doesn't tell anything about where it is.
32017-09-15 01:25:57 UTCaharvey Sorry you're right, thanks for that! is only for marking out how many psv lanes exist, not where they are. describes marking out where those psv lanes are.

12017-09-11 22:29:38 UTCWarin61 Hi,
Relation 7560478 - for your aerial imagery reference... ?

1) What aerial reference? Copyright free? Or specific permission given?

2) You could keep these off the data base by storing them locally as a JOSM layer ...

3) They generate error indication on OSM inspector ... thus my atten...
22017-09-12 00:08:24 UTCaharvey Agree with Warin61 here, a feature in OSM should represent something physically on the ground (I know this isn't always the case, but generally should apply). So if something exists, like the roundabout, map that, but if nothing exists on the ground, that's not suitable for OSM.

I'd suggest use ...
32017-09-12 05:01:01 UTCaaronsta Hi Warin61 and aharvey, this changeset is in response to a message from OSM user hadry. Below is a copy of correspondence between myself and OSM user hadry: Hi Hadry, Thanks for your message, yes these were tagged for the renderer, as barrier=fence makes a clearly visible straight line on Mapnik. ...
42017-09-12 05:09:10 UTCaaronsta Following up from this, originally these were created as the roundabouts themselves formed good starting points, but are way to inaccurate to align the images. It was not put in a local dataset as the images were rectified outside JOSM, where wms tiles were supported but any vector data (such as osm...
52017-09-12 05:13:15 UTCaaronsta It may be appropriate to remove these lines, as I am yet to complete mapping the area and may need to use them again it could be useful to retain. The lines now have no tagged attributes aside from the note=*
62017-09-12 05:20:31 UTCaharvey The issue is you're using OSM to save data really only useful/specific to you. As you can imagine if everyone started using OSM to tag their personal bookmarks it would clutter the database and make editing real map data more difficult.

So I'd like to see these deleted as they don't correspond to...
72017-09-13 14:47:12 UTCaaronsta Thanks for your message aharvey.
The nodes have now been removed.
Uploading it to the live server remained the only efficient way to rectify the images which I am aware of. As I required a free and open wms tile service, which included relatively u...
12017-09-12 00:12:55 UTCaharvey Hi, welcome to OSM!

In case you didn't realise you've saved your changes in the live OSM database.

In this case, the park is already mapped out so I've removed the empty way you created.
12017-09-11 23:58:40 UTCaharvey You should only use one name in the name key.

You could use the alt_name key for an alternate name.
12017-09-02 11:37:38 UTCaharvey I don't understand why was added back in, did they temporarily reopen this northbound section, it seems very strange to me that they would.

I deleted the northbound road in 6 months ago but it's been added b...
22017-09-07 05:56:51 UTCCloCkWeRX No probs, it was just a quick survey on my part from a moving taxi; plus referring to LPI imagery after. If you've looked at it more recently happy to roll with that.
32017-09-07 07:00:18 UTCaharvey Thanks for replying. I looked at it both just recently and about a year ago. Things change and imagery get's outdated. I know how easy it is to think it represents reality but it's not always the case.
42017-09-11 03:49:25 UTCaharvey Compare current (was like that at least for the last 6 months) to historic
12017-09-08 03:47:18 UTCaharvey I know the ABS SUA includes the Blue Mountians, but I don't consider the Blue Mountains part of Sydney, so Emu Plains would be in Sydney but Lapstone not.

ABS Boundaries aren't administrative boundaries, rather just ABS's view for statistical reporting.

It's hard since you can't survey this on...
12017-09-07 08:02:18 UTCaharvey I wouldn't exactly call it solved, as turning a road which has no physical separation between the directions into a dual way road creates issues which weren't there when mapped with a single way. But I guess now we have the stop mapped. +1

In OSM we almost need a way on the road centre line repre...
22017-09-07 08:06:27 UTCaharvey PS. I fixed up some of the turn:lane tags in
32017-09-07 08:06:50 UTCVerdy_p I'd like to know what are the "issues created" that this does not solve, given that there is effectively a separation (and separators are themselves mapped, notably the traffic islands).
42017-09-07 08:07:06 UTCVerdy_p Emergency situations may as well take any ways in forbidden directions, could use footways, enter private areas and even pass through unpaved areas (gardens...)
52017-09-07 11:29:53 UTCaharvey Sorry if I sounded negative, I really do appreciate you taking the time to work through this.

Two issues are:
1. You can turn across a solid white line (which is what's separating these two lanes to the south west of the intersection) to enter or leave a property. Mapped as a single way a router...
62017-09-07 13:42:01 UTCVerdy_p Point 1 is false. You can't cross the solid line evenwhen exiting a private property. The one way must still be respected and you'll have to go to the next crossing where this will be possible.

Point 2 is not relevant at all. The center line is not better than measuring on the center of any lane,...
72017-09-07 22:27:27 UTCaharvey 1. Not in this jurisdiction. "Drivers are permitted to cross a single dividing line enter or leave a road".

2. I'm not talking about measuring distance for a route, this is irrespective of navigation. It's purely...
12017-09-04 22:39:38 UTCaharvey Could you please explain why this was changed from bicycle=designated to bicycle=yes?

Could you please let me know what you mean my "Sourced from RMS"? I haven't heard back from you about this yet.
12017-09-04 03:37:20 UTCsamuelrussell Except they're not marked cycle lanes

>4) A
"bicycle lane" is a marked lane, or the part of a marked lane:
>(a) beginning at a bicycle lane sign applying to the lane, or a road marking comp...
22017-09-04 05:22:17 UTCaharvey There is a solid while painted line separating the traffic from the bike lane and a dotted white painted line separating the bike lane from the curb side parallel parking. These bike lanes have a painted white bike inside the lane which designates them as a bicycle lane. The bike lane can't be a sha...
32017-09-04 05:30:04 UTCaharvey If you'd like to be able to distinguish narrow cycle lanes from wide ones please use the cycleway:lane:width tag as described at
42017-09-04 05:45:41 UTCsamuelrussell Can you add this to the wiki? We can use cycleway:lane:bicycle=designated & bicycle:no for legal bicycle lanes, and cycleway:lane:bicycle=yes & bicycle=yes for marked cycle shoulders to represent the legal restrictions that vary between marked shoulders and by the law cycle lanes.
52017-09-04 05:46:52 UTCsamuelrussell I wish I had the mapping time to go back and measure the widths :) But I'll keep it in mind and find a "meter" rod somewhere on my body for future mapping.
62017-09-04 06:16:06 UTCaharvey Sorry I'm not sure what part you feel should be added to the wiki?

You're saying that this isn't a legal (in NSW) cycle lane because it lacks the word "LANE" painted in white next to the white bicycle symbol painted in the bicycle lane? Maybe you want something like bicycle:lane:legal=y...
72017-09-04 06:21:33 UTCsamuelrussell bicycle:yes means a legal reason to be able to ride
bicycle:designated means a specific legal designation

All lanes are packed:yes. Bus lanes are pav:designated. It matters because you can't legally climb Williams street to park in cbd in lanes 1-2 but are required to use the Australian road rul...
82017-09-04 06:36:00 UTCaharvey Hmm I always read as designated meaning it's set aside for that purpose. So a path with has a sign saying pedestrians and bicycles can use it would be foot=designated, bicycle=designated. access=yes I understood as you're allowed to use the way, but ther...
12017-09-04 02:41:24 UTCaharvey I've changed some of these you tagged as shared_lone back to a cycle lane in It's marked out as a cycle lane not a shared lane on the road so should be tagged as such.

I've added the cycleway:lane=doorzone tag which might help you distinguish door...
12017-09-04 02:25:31 UTCaharvey I've changed cycleway=lane to cycleway=shoulder in some places which I surveyed in

Given there are no markings on the road (signs, paint on the road) indicating a cycle lane, I think the shoulder tag is more appropriate.

12017-09-04 01:54:24 UTCaharvey It seems this changeset added a lot of maxspeed to nodes, which seems redundant when on the way. It makes editing later a lot harder too.
22017-09-04 05:57:15 UTCsamuelrussell Thanks for alerting me to my error. I have an offline editor at home and can correct this for nodes.
12017-08-29 12:34:41 UTCaharvey Hi @pangenib. Welcome to OSM and thanks for contributing.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "Sourced from RMS"?

You might want to check out We can't use copyrighted data without a license in OSM, so that rules ou...
12017-08-29 12:24:55 UTCaharvey even if it translated, it's common in OSM not to add translations but only name:<lg> if the feature is known by that foreign language name. Although I'm not strongly one way or the other.
22017-08-29 12:55:41 UTCnevw Yes, I agree.
This one was a bit unusual and...
name=Manly Wharf\twas changed to name=Manly Wharf 玛丽海滩
So normally I would correct to...
name=Manly Wharf\t and add
But though it may be correct, Google translated to "Mary Beach" so I just left it as...
12017-08-29 12:20:53 UTCaharvey Hi, Welcome to OSM and thanks for contributing.

In the case of the addr:street tag is reserved for the street address. This roof doesn't have an address so it shouldn't have an addr:street tag.
12017-08-29 12:18:12 UTCaharvey Hi, Thanks for contributing to OSM!.

You can read up on names at

name= should be the name the sign says, if it also has a name in another language you can add this with something like name:zh
12017-08-15 23:30:18 UTCWarin61 It is WRONG.

The admin boundary comes the NSW Government LPI. If you want to change the coast line then change that .. not the admin boundary!!!!

22017-08-15 23:39:12 UTCxdiamondx I looked up the "OSM Example" for Harbors - Howth port and it comes with the administrative boundary attached to the coastline.

Do you want me to change it back?
32017-08-15 23:52:30 UTCxdiamondx @Warin61 I fixed the boundary. Sorry for the problem
42017-08-16 00:00:16 UTCWarin61 Thanks
The Admin boundary would be correct. It could be the high tide mark .. in a certain year? Would have to read the legal papers to see. I am against having the admin boundaries use physical features - leads to this kind of problem.

Where the coast line is ... could well be different from t...
52017-08-16 00:43:35 UTCxdiamondx Here's the local government area map -

If you zoom in you can see coffs harbour and it goes north from the breakwater - not following the coastline.
62017-08-29 12:13:00 UTCaharvey I think we need to have a bit more of a discussion on this. If people want the LPI Admin Boundaries they can go to LPI and get it. The LPI boundaries aren't the official legal definition of these boundaries, they are just the LPIs representation.

I think we should do what makes sense for OSM and ...
72017-08-29 23:31:27 UTCWarin61 Coastlines and rivers change over time. And so too do some roads. I'd think a legal boundary that uses a feature will specify a date? Or maybe the date is taken from when the document was made?
By separating an admin boundary from other things in OSM it allows these other things to be altered by m...
12017-08-15 23:45:27 UTCWarin61 How did you come to tag these as "landuse=residential" ?

They are buildings! Tag them building=house in these cases.
22017-08-29 12:06:27 UTCaharvey @Warin61, this is just my opionion here but this is @Nhadaya's first edit to OSM and I feel your comment could have been worded in a slightly more welcoming way.

@Nhadaya welcome to OSM and thanks for contributing, you can check out the beginners guide at
32017-08-29 23:22:04 UTCWarin61 Did not mean to put you off Nhadaya. But this is the second instance I found of this kind of thing occurring .. so I would like to know how you came to tag them as landuse=residential. That may help avoid further confusion?
12017-08-07 19:03:42 UTCharry313 Unit 8/44 - 46 Ewos Pde, Cronulla, NSW 2230

Phone: (02) 8599 4570

Keywords: Plumber, Plumbers, Plumbing, Gas Fitter, Emergency Plumber, Blocked Drains, Hot Water Repairs, Drain Cleaning, Pipe Relining, Sutherland Shire
22017-08-29 11:47:07 UTCaharvey You could use craft=plumber so people know this is the workspace or office of a plumber.

Other information like contact number, website, address can be added directly to the feature, like you've done for the name.
12017-08-06 06:28:27 UTCTheSwavu Hi, I've notice you've misspelt Mirri.


22017-08-12 14:08:14 UTCnm7s9 Hi,

When I surveyed this area the street signs (plural) said "Mibri Close".

However when I saw that I was altering what you had tagged, I checked "LPI NSW" ACTMAPI and ACT disallowable instruements and they both said "Mirri" and the latter document elaborated tha...
32017-08-29 11:44:06 UTCaharvey It was accepted practice in OSM to map what's one the ground So if the street sign says Mibri Close and the legislation says Mirri Close, then we map name=Mibri Close, and put Mirri Close in one of the alt names and not th...
42017-08-29 20:53:01 UTCTheSwavu This is Canberra. Good practice is to put in the correct name and report the spelling error to:

52017-08-30 02:58:16 UTCnm7s9 While surveying Canberra and parts of NSW, I came accross numerous cases where the street signs on opposite ends of a street had different spellings. How should I tag this case, and no, I'm not going to split the street in half and tag them differently :-)

I also found one case (since corrected) ...
62017-08-30 03:02:37 UTCnm7s9 PS - on my report I couldn't pinpoint the issues on their maps precisely, because they use Google maps and are badly out of date. (Doesn't even have the new suburb).
12017-08-02 05:45:33 UTCaharvey Thanks for fixing up the geometry.

I'm not sure about The name tag isn't meant to contain access descriptions like "(closed)". What is there on the ground that actually indicates that this track is closed? What does closed even ...
22017-08-29 11:36:09 UTCaharvey Hi @swanilli, I'd like to remove the description (closed) from the name. I'd even be okay with no name on this way since I've never seen a sign pointing out this path with a name.
12017-08-18 00:11:25 UTCTheSwavu Hi,

bicycle tags are for access. So bicycle=yes means you can ride on this road.

Infrastructure is indicated with the cycleway tag. So cycleway=shoulder means you can ride on the shoulder of the road.

22017-08-29 11:10:04 UTCaharvey "Sourced From RMS" Also keep in mind you can't copy information from other maps. It's better to add information from a ground survey.
12017-07-15 06:40:02 UTCaharvey Could you please explain what this is? If you want to tag a backyard swimming pool, use leisure=swimming_pool, access=private.
12017-07-11 09:39:15 UTCaharvey I've changed to use club=sport rather than shop=sport
22017-07-11 09:39:36 UTCaharvey What's ?
32017-07-12 03:14:21 UTCCloCkWeRX I think its better tagged as
42017-07-12 03:14:55 UTCCloCkWeRX SOme detail on it -
52017-07-12 03:44:15 UTCaharvey I'll do a ground survey to confirm its a fitness station. I thought they might be adding some kind of fitness club which is run there.
12017-07-02 07:55:53 UTCnevw The node you have mapped is not located on Commerce Lane as stated in the address and there is no business called Engage Online in the Lane. There is no place on the OSM for business that do not have a physical location.
22017-07-08 00:09:45 UTCaharvey I don't think it's a coincidence that their PO box number matches the number used for the Street Address "Postal Address: Po Box 52, Glenbrook, NSW 2773" especially given there is no 52 Commerce Lane. Looks like SEO spam. So +1 to remove.
32017-07-09 11:28:26 UTCnevw Deleted this edit as no evidence of this actually existing on the ground, appears to have only online presence and no response from mapper.
12017-07-05 07:56:36 UTCTheSwavu Is this:
a thing? Or a slip of the mouse?
22017-07-05 23:28:40 UTCaharvey There is something visible in the imagery, but I don't know exactly what it is. Probably how they get the toboggans back up.
12017-06-23 06:09:03 UTCsaikabhi Hi,
Welcome to OpenStreetMap. Are you sure about the location of Graham Reserve? It looks like a residential area on the map to me. Can you please review?

22017-06-23 07:55:50 UTCaharvey It looks good to me from the LPI Imagery (it's the area in between the dual carriage way of Palace Street.

Though I'd tag it as leisure=park instead, as leisure=nature_reserve is "A protected area of importance for wildlife, flora, fauna or features of geological or other special interest.&q...
32017-06-23 07:58:54 UTCaharvey
12017-06-23 03:54:43 UTCaharvey Looks like already existed before, we should keep that way and just update the geometry. Or at the very least delete the old way when adding one with geometry not snapped to the road.
22017-06-23 04:51:37 UTCWarin61 Thanks for finding that. Fixed.
What was I thinking back then?
32017-06-23 07:50:55 UTCaharvey also for

I think it's better to tag a multiuse pitch as sport=netball;basketball than having two overlapping ways, after all there is only one pitch, it just happens to serve two different sports.
42017-06-23 08:32:36 UTCWarin61 Netball and basketball have slight different sizes of court. And where they share a surface they have different line colours too. The line colours can be tagged correctly if they are separate ways ... but not if they are ; separated sports.

I have done one where there are tennis, netball and bas...
12017-06-21 23:24:13 UTCWarin61 Multipolygons don't do shared ways on outers..
So these might be best as simple separate ways.
Doing this generates a warning - overlapping railways. I think that is ok - platforms do share segments.
22017-06-23 07:44:15 UTCaharvey I'm okay with them being separate ways.

Physically the whole area is one platform, but logically (in terms of the network and naming) each side is a different platform.

So for simplicity, I'm happy with these being separate ways, without the relation with a shared border that way we have tags ...
12017-06-20 23:08:45 UTCWarin61 Hi,
Multipolygon relation 6664382 - the Westfield building. Multiplygons don't like shared segments, I think this would be better as a key building:part.
The landuse declaration would be better as the larger area of Chatswood - on the basis of one feature one element in OSM.
So I have changed th...
22017-06-21 01:35:54 UTCaharvey This looks okay. I'm happy to have landuse=retail a little wider, but I favour keeping landuse polygons no larger than 1 block to avoid overlapping roads etc.
12017-05-30 06:39:13 UTCtonyf1 Hi. You have deleted some features. It looks suspicious but I am not familiar with Sydney so its hard to know. Can you please give information on why these features were deleted. Thanks.
22017-06-16 12:18:48 UTCaharvey Removing was probably good since it's also mapped

But without justification for removing all those POIs and no response here in 17 days, I'm going to revert this. If there features really aren't there an...
32017-06-18 23:38:34 UTCchris_o Hi guys, very sorry for the lack of response. I was not aware that removing nodes would affect map for everyone - as I thought it would just change my "instance" of the map.

I initially removed the nodes as I was trying to make a "clean" looking map for a project I was working...
42017-06-19 00:20:53 UTCaharvey That's okay, at least now you know. I've already fixed up the deletions.
12017-06-05 23:14:12 UTCaharvey It looks like you've deleted some things like the building and bunkers which I suspect are still present on th ground and hence shouldn't be deleted, eg and

I would suggest abandoned:building=b...
22017-06-16 12:47:44 UTCaharvey I've gone ahead and restored the deleted features from this changeset. If you have done a ground survey and know the current use/state of the building please update it's tags.
12017-06-16 12:04:33 UTCaharvey I'm not sure about UNSW as a neighbourhood, UNSW is a university area and it's already tagged as a university. So I'm tempted to remove
12017-06-05 23:29:07 UTCaharvey I wonder if this was entered by the business or by a 3rd party SEO business.

Either way please these on how to tag accepted payments and opening hours:

as the way you've entered them isn't ...
22017-06-06 05:36:42 UTCCloCkWeRX I tweaked the tagging
12017-05-21 12:52:34 UTCaharvey I see you changed from highway=construction to residential. Based on your source tag, it doesn't look like a ground survey, did you?

Unless you did a ground survey I think you should leave it as I tagged it.
12017-04-24 08:37:45 UTCtonyf1 Hi. You appear to be mapping the underground stormwater drainage system. Maybe they would be best tagged as man_made=pipeline rather than waterway=drain considering that they are underground. See
22017-05-11 07:05:40 UTCtonyf1 Hi, you quote Source: Hurstville City Council Drain Map. Is this your source for all these drains? Is its licence compatible with OSM?
32017-05-11 11:16:37 UTCaharvey @Spookylad, it doesn't seem the license of your source is compatible. Unless you can point us to further details about the license, could you please revert these changes and instead add data from ground survey or other sources which can be used in OSM.
42017-05-12 06:48:25 UTCSpookylad Sorry I didn't have much time to review and finish the details. I removed the non park drainways, and I will continue to map Empress Park correctly. The drainways from the park are a mixture of Tunneled and underground/hidden. How do I go about tagging each of those aspects appropriately? I can take...
52017-05-13 00:08:30 UTCtonyf1 Thanks for your reply.

You should delete anything that is not compatible with OSM's licence conditions.

Reading the wiki, I don't think that drain or culvert are the right tag. man_made=pipeline location=underground substance=water seems the best fit but I haven't seen what's on the ground.\...
12017-05-07 01:27:29 UTCaharvey It seems you added a bunch of duplicates here? eg. you added but it already exists at

Could you fix these up by deleting your copy in favour of the existing. If you want to make improvements then you can edit ...
12017-04-18 23:13:24 UTCaharvey I see you've moved some features away from being imagery aligned to being aligned to the topo map.

Honestly I'm not sure which is more correct here, but some part of my GPS trace seem to line up with the imagery more than the topo map.

I compared my GPS trace of the area https://www.openstreet...
22017-04-18 23:13:50 UTCaharvey Your change also caused a self intersection with
12017-04-18 22:04:11 UTCWarin61 Way 475592320 crosses over itself. So it does not render well ... OSM inspector calls it a 'self intersection'.
22017-04-18 22:46:38 UTCaharvey Thanks for noting this, it looks like it's happened as a result of I'll move the discussion over there.
12017-04-18 02:12:24 UTCaharvey The LPI Base Map has a name for this one, is it signposted on the ground?
22017-04-18 10:24:24 UTCerikgagajackson yes there is it is "Merrylands Memorial Park", signpost can be seen if you are walking past on Windsor Rd
32017-04-18 22:39:04 UTCaharvey Thanks, please feel free to add the name to this part then if you've confirmed it on the ground.
12017-04-18 02:11:08 UTCaharvey The LPI Base Map has this named "Charles Mance Reserve", is it signposted as "Memorial"?
22017-04-18 10:26:56 UTCerikgagajackson Yes the signpost says "Charles Mace Reserve, Centenary Memorial",150.9898651,3a,75y,203.88h,78.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2Ur_dY_21VQYulm5yD9i-A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
32017-04-18 22:38:09 UTCaharvey Okay, but you can't copy from Google Maps or Google Street View.

Feel free to add the name from ground survey or from the LPI Base Map (different background map option in the iD editor)
42017-04-19 08:50:17 UTCerikgagajackson sorry about that. i actually live next to this i have seen it at ground level i will edit the name
12017-04-18 02:06:31 UTCaharvey The running track and the roads should only share nodes where they cross. Given we have high resolution imagery here could you retrace this with a more accurate location and avoid having it run down the middle of the road? (assuming the track I can see in the imagery is what you're mapping)

The l...
12017-04-11 03:27:39 UTCaharvey Thanks for adding this, I've unglued the building from the roads, created entrance nodes to mark out exactly where the entrances are and what they are for. Please note that 24hrs isn't a supported value for opening_hours, see Is it "24/7"?...
12017-04-11 03:16:11 UTCaharvey Hi,

Thanks for adding this.

A pointer for next time, a building generally shouldn't share nodes with the street it faces, as roads are center lines and buildings are for the footprint of the building only.

I've fixed this up in
12017-04-07 09:12:51 UTCaharvey What were you trying to do with the parking lot here?

It looks like a multi story parking lot but I don't understand what your tags mean. highway=path but foot=no? parking=underground but no amenity=parking? service=spur? All combined on the same way?

What are you trying to map here?
12016-06-14 04:23:12 UTCLeon K The source:maxspeed applies to the ways but putting it on every node is overkill.
22016-06-14 21:13:11 UTCsamuelrussell I agree, I firmly remember discovering my error after upload and chasing down nodes with source:maxspeed applied to them to correct.
32017-04-06 12:01:15 UTCaharvey You've also added maxspeed=40 to pedestrian footways which have no maxspeed signs from ground survey. I've fixed up one of them.
12017-04-03 07:58:38 UTCaharvey Hey there, this track is present. I physically surveyed it. If something exists on the ground then it's fair game to be in OSM. Regardless of if it's dangerous or not. You can read up on two of the tags which I'd already included on this track
12017-03-27 09:06:52 UTCaharvey These bays have been changed between natural=water and natural=bay many times in their history, unfortuantly most renderers don't yet support natural=bay areas. Even the wiki notes that "they should not be rendered in solid color indicating water themselves".

What's the harm in leaving ...
22017-03-27 10:32:31 UTCaharvey Let's discuss over at

In the meantime I've reverted this change. You'll see in the history that I tagged this as natural=bay a few years ago and think this is the best way to tag, unfortunately it's a big area and the curre...
32017-03-27 18:57:16 UTCjptolosa87 You're wrong, all renders support natural=bay. This is the approved tag by the community for mapping a bay area. Here you can see an example of a successful rendering:
Obviously, to obtain a correct render, the polygon should be inside a water polygon or in the ocean....
42017-03-28 12:52:27 UTCaharvey Thank you, I can see that makes sense, the bay area should either be within the ocean or some other waterbody like a lake, river, etc. So the blue water rendering would come from the waterbody or ocean and the natural=bay area is there to label the area.

I disagree with tagging the insides here a...
52017-03-28 20:37:56 UTCjptolosa87 According the description of natural=coastline it should be placed exactly in the mean high water spring i.e. IMO more or less here:
Is better to solve the "conflict" consulting the different sources about this topic.
Check the conc...
62017-03-28 20:43:16 UTCjptolosa87 Furthermore, note that in the description of natural=bay you can read the next text: "The edge of a bay towards land should coincide with the coastline" in the section 'how to map'.
72017-03-28 20:55:14 UTCjptolosa87 But technically the wiki doesn't prohibit the usage of waterway=riverbank into the sea. Then, if the sources doesn't convince you, we can use both tagging: natural=coastline & waterway=riverbank + tidal=yes
82017-03-29 11:49:17 UTCaharvey This is going to be an uphill battle , so I'm going to pivot and look into using something like coastline=pelagic from wikipedia "A pelagic coast refers to a coast which fronts the open ocean, as opposed to a more sheltered coast in a gulf or bay." on the oceanic coastline because I need s...
92017-03-29 20:02:06 UTCjptolosa87 Definition of the natural=coastline is independent of locally established divisions. boundary=* tag supplies the second purpose. Your point view is incompatible with the OSM basic principle "Map what's on the ground".
102017-03-30 12:19:47 UTCaharvey Exactly, I'm trying to ensure the natural=coastline tag and other tags are reflecting the natural environment on the ground based on my ground surveys of the area.

As I mentioned on the tagging thread for me, based on on the ground surveys and local knowledge Botany Bay (http://www.openstreetmap....
112017-03-30 18:41:19 UTCjptolosa87 Of course, is interesting to differentiate the type of a coastline. Unfortunately there are no a tag for this purpose yet. The tag natural=coastline is only used to mark mean high water spring and it doesn't capable to differentiate the type of seawater. We can create a new tag based on your ground ...
12017-03-24 06:43:28 UTCaharvey How did you check for duplicates?

eg. you added but it already existed as

I've been seeing a lot of duplicated features from your Base Map imports.
22017-03-24 08:24:39 UTCWarin61 I checked for duplicate nodes .. not certain that I did check ways (too long ago to recall) .. and probably not relations. This change set 3/8/16 so 'my' node would have been that date .. relationship dated 9/7/16 so ~ a month previous.

Humm I did a recheck some time ago on duplicates .. but aga...
32017-03-24 08:50:30 UTCWarin61 Humm scanning ... found 1 add the day before by you .. from Imagery .. deleted mine and add the name from the base map.
Another is displaced by 200 metres .. I'll do some more looking tomorrow (and think about the displacement).
42017-03-25 00:15:36 UTCWarin61 Ok .. found 7 that I have deleted. About half of those are mine.
Did not answer your question of how I checked for duplicates .. I think at that time I was using the OSM cycle map .. that appeared to have the best rendering of camp sites ... but it may have been slow to render new data .. thus I m...
52017-03-25 06:46:49 UTCWarin61 Over 187 camp sites manually scanned. 78 deletions .. not all camp sites but most of them. Not all 'mine'. 230 objects modified .. some 'camp_sites' to pitches as the camp site is already tagged .. again not all mine.
62017-03-27 01:20:46 UTCaharvey > So these duplicates you have noted ... were they only campsites? Or anything else?

I keep finding issues across all your LPI Base Map imports.

eg. I just deleted since it was already mapped as

72017-03-27 02:03:09 UTCWarin61 I have looked back at my lookout files (I did not bother with check my old campsite files .. but I'd not think I was consistent from one feature type to another .. hopefully improving all the time) .. and cannot find a duplicate for tuckers lookout ... so the checking was done. Did something else go...
82017-03-27 02:12:50 UTCWarin61 Looking back at my old files for lookouts ... each node carries a tag "fixme=check for duplictes and web links" .. and each node was manually checked against the osm map background for the duplicate.. then those were uploaded to OSM having deleted each fixme tag as they were done. However...
92017-03-27 03:25:12 UTCaharvey The existing node has been there for the past 4 years

Next time it would be great if you could post on the mailing list your intention to do an import and we can check the process to make sure things like this aren't missed.

Another one I jus...
102017-03-27 05:25:45 UTCWarin61 Arr .. I see now.
What you are deleting are displaced things.

My experience with LPI data suggest in many instances it is better than the data in OSM despite the mappers attribution of 'source=survey' or 'source=gps'. How do I know that ? In the instances of roads i have used the Strava heat ma...
112017-03-27 07:50:21 UTCaharvey Not all data is equal. Different types of features like roads vs lookouts could dramatically vary in accuracy, even within the same feature types, the accuracy in the LPI Base Map can and does vary.

Since we don't know the where each feature in the LPI Base Map came from, I don't think it should ...
12017-03-23 10:59:51 UTCaharvey For is it really named "Unmarked track"? There is a tag for unmarked tracks, trail_visibility=no.
12017-03-19 23:46:50 UTCaharvey When you named Pindar Pool, you cited a copyrighted source, I think it's best to use survey or local_knowledge souces.
12017-03-14 22:39:34 UTCaharvey You'll need to add some tags to this to say what is is, check out
22017-03-14 22:43:01 UTCaharvey The LPI Base Map says "The Hills Shire Council" is here, is that what's there now?
12017-03-14 13:07:47 UTCaharvey Hi, what information are you trying to add? Do you need any help?
12017-03-14 13:02:53 UTCaharvey like your other changesets, don't add a name unless there is a proper name. Also you can just use access=private, and remove all the mode specific keys. See
22017-03-14 13:03:47 UTCaharvey Also part of the driveway way overlaps the road, which should be fixed. And is it really oneway?
12017-03-14 12:59:41 UTCaharvey the amenity=bench already describes this as a bench, so save the name tag only when the bench has a special name.
12017-03-14 12:58:23 UTCaharvey Is this really a grit_bin or is it ?

Also since there is no name, just leave it out per
12017-02-27 00:26:34 UTCaharvey You've only connected these two new roads here to the footpath, was that intentional? They aren't connected to Captain Cook Drive?
22017-02-27 00:35:28 UTCErin Evans Not intentional at all. First time using open street map, so still figuring out how to use it. I've now connected the rods to Captain Cook Drive.
32017-02-27 01:01:22 UTCaharvey No worries and thanks for your edits here, very much appreciated and welcome.

The way you've mapped it now, it means you can turn left but not right into Dune Walk. And you can turn both left and right into Foreshore Boulevard from Captain Cook Drive.

Dune Walk is very close to that existing s...
42017-02-27 01:21:19 UTCErin Evans Yes that's correct - left only into Dune Walk, but you can turn left and right from Foreshore Boulevard. I've had to add two sets of lights for both directions of road, even though there is only one set of lights due to cutting through the medium strip.

The service road you're referring to - is t...
52017-02-27 01:35:37 UTCErin Evans I believe I've just managed to amend the parking aisle to extend beyond Dune Walk as is now in real life.
I've also removed traffic lights at the park's entry, as well as removed the cycleway through the centre.
62017-02-27 02:07:11 UTCaharvey > Yes that's correct - left only into Dune Walk, but you can turn left and right from Foreshore Boulevard.


> I've had to add two sets of lights for both directions of road, even though there is only one set of lights due to cutting through the medium strip.

That's okay, this is ...
12017-02-26 09:18:32 UTCaharvey Really?
22017-02-26 21:56:46 UTCTheSwavu Must've been the least interesting visit to Sydney if this was the highlight.

Has this moved recently? I always remember it being in a building you could enter from Hickson Road.
32017-02-27 00:02:33 UTCaharvey I'm not sure of the exact location, I might have misplaced it when I originally added it.
12017-02-24 23:17:48 UTCaharvey What's that untagged area you added? What are you trying to map here?
22017-02-28 05:57:43 UTCnammala Removed the untagged ways aharvey.
32017-02-28 05:59:00 UTCnammala Hi lufyx,

Welcome and thanks for contributing to OpenStreetMap (OSM). OSM is the real map of the world . Please do add data which is on the ground .
Let me know if you need anything regarding mapping.

12017-02-21 04:24:20 UTCaharvey It looks like you created this way

You've mapped it as a shared cycleway, however nothing on the ground indicates it can be used by cyclists. It looks like a normal footway.

I was going to change it over, but wanted to ask you first if you had any th...
22017-02-22 06:58:17 UTCdbaupp I suspect it may've been accidental; duplicating the tags on the real cycleway on the other side of the oval.
32017-02-22 08:07:12 UTCaharvey I'll change it back to footway since nothing on the ground indicates it's a cycleway.
12017-02-21 00:52:59 UTCaharvey What was your source for the location of ?

There is a waterfall which looks like this, which I've mapped at confirmed the locati...
22017-02-21 22:24:49 UTCdhx1 My source was the NSW government map: which shows the falls as being further upstream. I haven't been there in person though as you have, and don't have GPS tracks, so cannot confirm the map is correct. Have you been along the section further upstream of Clover Falls (i.e...
32017-02-22 05:47:56 UTCaharvey Thanks for that.

I've uploaded my GPS track at I didn't go further upstream of what I think is Clover Falls, so I wouldn't know.

Looking online, it seems what I went to is the same falls others label as Clover Falls, given I have the G...
12017-02-16 22:25:16 UTCaharvey I don't think the water=fountain tag applies here, if its just a drinking fountain

Also the name tag shouldn't include a description "Drinking fountain" is ...
12017-02-16 22:20:58 UTCaharvey I made some improvements to this in

See the coworking_space tag
12017-02-14 23:19:53 UTCaharvey I reverted this as I'm pretty sure this is a fictional park.
12017-02-14 23:04:02 UTCaharvey You might want to add the club=sport tag to indicate that this feature is a sporting club.
22017-02-14 23:05:17 UTCaharvey along with the sport=rugby_union or rugby_league tag
12017-02-12 23:23:39 UTCaharvey This looks like a residential home, is it really a cosmetics shop named "home"?
22017-02-13 03:17:12 UTCCloCkWeRX Could have meant (presumably at the shopping centre up the road); or maybe ... but that's in a different spot.
12017-02-10 01:11:03 UTCaharvey Hi was demolished?

Or is the building still there?
22017-02-10 01:50:51 UTCTheSwavu Apparently it's gone bye-bye:
12017-02-06 23:42:57 UTCaharvey I see you've added the footpath here as highway=pedestrian. Check out the wiki at which describes that tag as "Roads mainly / exclusively for pedestrians".

These look like the sidewalk which is tagged as per https://wiki.opens...
12017-02-03 21:58:11 UTCWarin61 Hi,
Some comments;

1) No name ... so the change set description is wrong.. Possibly 'Add building" ?
2) Building is not 'square' as in the corners are not square... in ID select the object (the building) and press the 'S' key .. see
22017-02-06 23:36:05 UTCaharvey PS. If you're adding multiple buildings at the same time you can add them all then hit Save at the end so you only have one changeset adding a whole block of buildings.
12017-02-06 23:28:08 UTCaharvey I can't see this footway on the imagery you've used.

Could you comment back here to let us know your source?
22017-02-07 00:55:30 UTCnevw I deleted it. Missed this one when cleaning up the area previously.
12017-01-27 22:55:24 UTCaharvey Hi,

The convention is to use Title Case rather than ALL CAPS.
12017-01-27 21:27:09 UTCWarin61 Welcome to OSM.

As well as the LPI Imagery there is the LPI Base Map .. that gives you the boundaries for the park - you can use that base map data to make the park into an area .. it looks much better on the map.
22017-01-27 22:53:18 UTCaharvey Sorry, I only just saw this note after changing it to an area.
12017-01-25 10:37:50 UTCaharvey Hi,

In regards to check up on the wiki for the building key

The building key is for the outline the each building. An area like this should be tagged landuse=residential.

Since there are a ...
12017-01-15 00:10:40 UTCaharvey A lot of the nodes you've added here are duplicates of things already mapped. Eg The Star casino is already mapped as a tourism=attraction at

Wet N Wild Sydney at

Potentially others too. Why did you create the...
22017-01-15 00:25:10 UTCWarin61 Would have checked these for duplicates at the time of entry ... will recheck on the two you are concerned with for speed.
32017-01-15 00:43:26 UTCWarin61 Ok - Way: The Star (16597926) Had no tourist=attraction when I added node 43749057538 ... so not a 'duplicate' at the time? When you added tourist=attraction to this way ... that was the duplication .. delete the node?
I am not certain that the whole building is a tourist attraction.
Way 31494...
42017-01-15 06:54:57 UTCWarin61 Quite usefull. I have reviewed the western and northern ones. Some are resorts - better tagged tourism=resort. A few are similar - used web search to resolve names and function. Some are duplicates. I have added some details to some - websites, opening hours, a few made into ways with boundaries. So...
52017-01-15 23:58:24 UTCaharvey >Ok - Way: The Star (16597926) Had no tourist=attraction when I added node 43749057538 ... so not a 'duplicate' at the time? When you added tourist=attraction to this way ... that was the duplication .. delete the node?
I am not certain that the whole building is a tourist attraction.

62017-01-16 00:05:48 UTCWarin61 One hand washes the other.
I need some clear time to do the rest of these. Possibly this afternoon.
As I said, I think I only checked them for duplication of tourism=attraction and not other things and that has lead to this problem. Still learning.
72017-01-19 02:49:46 UTCWarin61 That took longer than I thought! Some deletions, many changes. I have taken some to be tourism=resort for example. Others I have expanded to be ways. Many have added website links. Anyway .. all reviewed now,
12017-01-15 00:05:18 UTCaharvey are you sure there is a bus stop here?
12017-01-15 00:03:00 UTCaharvey I've reverted this changeset, there is no bus stop here in the middle of central station.
12017-01-07 10:01:21 UTCaharvey Regarding the signage on the ground indicates the southern extent of the NP extends further. Do you think it's okay to update it to match the on the ground data? Also I suspect the boundary for the rest is simply mean high water mark, so can it be joined t...
22017-01-07 21:10:01 UTCWarin61 Hi,
No problem extending to the south for ground truth. Possibly the LPI data is out of date here?
On the waterline... looks like the LPI boundary is the low water mark ... I'd leave that alone unless you have some evidence otherwise? It would make some sense for the low water mark boundary as a p...
32017-01-08 02:32:16 UTCTheSwavu I put the suburb boundary in before we had access to the LPI data and I was using best guess as to what the ABS boundaries were on the ground, hence using the coastline.

Interestingly the NPWS boundary isn't consistent with the cadastre around the coastline, which is a bit odd because the propert...
42017-01-08 04:19:33 UTCWarin61 Looking at the 'water boundary' you can compare the LPI Base Map to the LPI or bing Imagery and see that the water level is above where this boundary lies... so I would assume that this boundary is low water mark. I think 'coastline' is taken at high water mark?

Looking at the NSW NP website for...
52017-01-08 04:49:38 UTCaharvey >As to the southern boundary it is currently correctly aligned with the cadastre so unless you happen to have found the survey pegs I'd say that's the best available information.

There is a NPWS sign 70m from the currently mapped boundary. I suspect they just put the sign up outside the NP. I ...
62017-01-08 06:18:37 UTCWarin61 The LPI is where surveyors go to get the legal boundaries! LPI base map has those boundaries... look at your own property to see it. I know it is good for me and at least some of my relatives (where I have checked).

Snapping things together is ok .. if they deserve to go together! I have had to ...
72017-01-09 00:34:06 UTCaharvey >The LPI is where surveyors go to get the legal boundaries! LPI base map has those boundaries

I believe that except for newer LandXML submissions a surveyor will use the distance/bearing measurements on the plan, not the digital cadastre, as the digital cadastre you see in the LPI Base Map has...
82017-01-09 00:59:22 UTCWarin61 Fruther reading on [1} "The database is constantly maintained or updated on a daily basis from registered plans (including E-Plan), registration of land transactions in NSW and changes in administrative boundaries as gazetted. The data is up-to-date to within 10 working days from when a plan is...
92017-01-09 00:59:40 UTCTheSwavu 1. After typing in my comment the other day I was pondering why the boundaries are that way at Barrenjoey and I've realised that the boundary follows the low tide mark. (Also means that the lighthouse reserve must of had a combination of high/low tide boundaries).

2. I'd also previously looked u...
102017-01-09 01:22:45 UTCTheSwavu Depends on what you mean by the basemap. The meta data is for the underlying data so if you extract the data rather than tracing then it's up-to-date to within 10 days. I don't know how often the tiles that get served for the visual map are re-rendered so it may take some time for it to show up on ...
12017-01-08 03:09:25 UTCaharvey Is it appropriate to use here?
22017-01-08 04:02:25 UTCMartini097 It could be. I was primarily trying to revert a seemingly arbitrary change to type=multipolygon that was causing an issue in a renderer
32017-01-08 05:14:46 UTCaharvey Sorry I thought you created the relation, I couldn't look at the full history as has an application error. Given it's up to version 198 I'm not surprised.
42017-01-08 05:36:40 UTCMartini097 Yeah, that was my struggle as well. I couldn't view the history or any changes related to it, and the only relevant page i could find was on boundaries. I see/have no issue with you changing the tags to fit relation:land_area as it does seem to fit better
12017-01-08 02:36:11 UTCaharvey Is the St in "Warne St Park" an abbreviation for street? See
22017-01-08 11:31:18 UTCMW369 Yep, fixed. Thanks!
12017-01-08 02:30:30 UTCaharvey If this is a shopfront you might want to add shop=copyshop to it.
12016-11-23 04:18:01 UTCaharvey Hi there, club and sport a different tags, I've fixed this up see
12016-11-10 11:23:24 UTCaharvey I don't believe leisure=park is appropriate for I think it should simply be landuse=residential.
12016-11-08 07:27:30 UTCaharvey Where did you find the name "Ferndale Park Loop"? I can't find any signs with that name, I can find signs with "Ferndale Walk Track". If I don't hear back I might swap it over to map what's on the ground.
22016-11-08 17:18:17 UTCdbaupp I don't remember; I guess it may've changed in the three years since I mapped this.
12016-11-04 01:00:41 UTCCloCkWeRX Do you know if the bridge (see is actually there still?
22016-11-04 03:46:09 UTCaharvey The bride is there but it's a pipeline not a footbridge. I've fixed this up via

Not sure why it was marked as a path in
12016-11-04 03:40:54 UTCaharvey I noticed that you added highway=path for this What was your source for this? I know first hand that it's a pipeline not a path.
12016-10-07 05:41:14 UTCaharvey Howdy, you've added but this already existed in
12016-10-07 05:38:41 UTCaharvey Howdy, it looks like you've added but this already existed here Could you fix this up, ideally retaining the original node for the history? Also is it correct to use indoor=room, since customers can't walk into ...
22016-10-07 05:40:16 UTCaharvey You also have mapped out two McDonalds, but there is only one there.
12016-10-07 05:35:51 UTCaharvey Howdy, any reason why the post office is mapped out as two features? AFAIK there is only a single post office here as one big room.
12016-08-28 00:08:35 UTCaharvey Hi I've reverted this change because The Sydney Opera House is already mapped in OSM here
12016-08-28 00:06:10 UTCaharvey I see another user has reverted this change, which I agree with.

The reasons are that you added a new feature for the Sydney Opera House but it is already mapped in

And for the other viewpoint, it's name is not Watsons Bay, and the name tag is reserved ...
12016-08-21 23:06:05 UTCaharvey I'm going to delete this as the Royal Botanic Gardens are already mapped in the relation ->

If you wish to add the name:zh, add it to the existing relation.
12016-07-25 00:58:04 UTCaharvey Hi there, it looks like the road was already there from Railway Pde to Colebome Av, so I removed a node at the end to avoid the doubled up road way. I also added bridge and steps tags to the footway.
12016-07-11 05:44:05 UTCaharvey looks to be overlapping residential properties. What's your source for this wetland? Perhaps this should just be added to the conservation parks/wetlands reserve ways there?
22016-07-11 06:21:04 UTCTheSwavu And why did you add noname=yes to all of the admin_level=10 relations? And why did you delete the place tags?
32016-07-11 08:32:24 UTCmoreton Re sources for wetlands, swamps etc. As noted in the uploads, I have used 3 sources: (i) survey = visits to these areas in person to confirm mapped data; (ii) LPI map imagery; (iii) GA hydrology datasets (via geofabric). The mapped wetlands are mostly equivalent to GA hydrology datasets. The GA lice...
42016-07-11 09:35:43 UTCTheSwavu So a few points then:

1. You are doing an import without following the import guidelines:

2. Have you got explicit permission to use the GA dataset?

3. Combining place with admin_level=10 is not unusual:

12016-07-08 10:15:19 UTCaharvey Jintang Hai Fresh Restaurant ? Is this a hotel or restaurant, because you tagged it as a hotel.
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22016-07-17 10:04:01 UTCSomeoneElse In the process of the Landgate add and remove one of the roundabouts is now a bit deformed:

Could someone who's local patch it up so that it reflects reality?
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22016-07-17 09:52:59 UTCSomeoneElse I'm guessing that this wasn't actually part of the Landgate import and that the changeset comment was leftover by mistake?
Currently Arthur Street (and Lord Street to the northwest) are a bit odd as they are secondary and primary roads that terminate rather than link up in any way.
I've never been...
32016-07-18 04:35:59 UTCaaronsta Hi there, yes I do think that is what happened Ill do a quick edit now and have a proper look at it later
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12016-06-22 21:09:37 UTCTheSwavu What was the point of this changeset? All you've done is deleted all of the source=nearmap tags. How do you know that these weren't from nearmap? What is source=aaronsta supposed to mean?
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12016-06-22 18:20:53 UTCSomeoneElse Hello,
Could you explain what "MINOR: FIX SOURCES" means? This is a changeset with a large area, and it'd be nice to know what had changed without having to refer to third-party tools.
Best Regards,
22016-06-23 00:10:19 UTCGinaroZ Had a look at the history of some nodes/ways and it seems like this changeset has removed "source=nearmap" from them
32016-06-24 01:41:40 UTCTheSwavu Yeap this is one of many bulk edits this user has done where they have deleted source=nearmap for no apparent reason.
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12016-06-22 21:10:10 UTCTheSwavu What was the point of this changeset?
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12016-06-24 06:56:26 UTCpnorman Hello,

you seem to be doing a mechanical edit of some kind. In OSM mechanical edits need to be documented and you need to consult with the community first. Was this done here?
22016-06-24 07:49:46 UTCWarin61 In this changeset, looks to be removing the source=nearmap tag ... in bulk. WHY?
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12016-06-19 00:02:05 UTCaharvey I've moved this translation to the "Prince Henry Cliff Walk" way as that, the walk isn't where this POI was placed (that's the Underfalls Walk)
12016-05-21 04:50:19 UTCaharvey You tagged this one as a library, but it's not. I've fixed it up now, this is a restaurant and the library is round the corner. The LPI Base Map is wrong here.
12016-04-16 07:08:31 UTCsamuelrussell Kudos! Do these sites have relationships? Could those relationships be mapped?
22016-04-16 07:20:09 UTCaharvey They don't have relationships, they are all independent. lists other kinds of sites but not middens so I've used site_type=shell_midden for these. I would say they names should be moved to the description key, but I didn't make th...
12015-10-01 01:45:34 UTCriblit I would suggest that leisure=nature_reserve is incorrect as a Nature Reserve and a National Park are different gazetted entities with separate use restrictions.
22015-10-01 05:34:38 UTCaharvey I'm tempted to agree with you. I think that boundary=national_park is sufficient. However at mostly in Australia I would have thought that National Park implies "protected area of importance for ildlife, flora, fauna or features of geological or other special interest, which is reserved and man...
12015-09-23 12:21:59 UTCaharvey It seems leisure=nature_reserve was changed to leisure=park in this changeset. This isn't appropriate for the Heathcote National Park as it's not consistant with the usage of leisure=park at (See also the note at
12015-09-01 10:49:48 UTCaharvey I'm removing because I'm fairly certain there is no picnic_site at the exact location of the node, and there is a better positioned picnic_site nearby which is probably what this node was meant to map.
22017-05-20 09:08:55 UTCWarin61 tagged they have a copyright message on their web site ... do you have permission to use their data??

Node: Gunnedah South RA (316587591) is far off the highway .. and well away from anything like a campsite .. deleted.
12015-08-06 08:10:17 UTCaharvey I would like to revert this (ie. remove name=cliff) because they aren't named "cliff", and it's causing issues for downstream data users expecting the name in the name tag.
22015-08-17 09:05:48 UTCSomeoneElse There's a discussion of what should go in the name tag at . I don't believe that "cliff" makes sense here.
32015-08-17 09:36:19 UTCaharvey I've gone ahead and reverted this changeset (which only added the name=cliff tags) in changeset 33385884
42015-08-17 09:41:15 UTCswanilli Two points:
1. I have stood there. It is definitely a cliff. It definitely makes sense to me.
2. There seems to be a lamentable tendency of some people to mistake Wiki guidelines as Gospel or some other divine authority. They are not. They are just what the name says, guidelines. The issue is what...
52015-08-17 09:59:53 UTCaharvey Hi Swanilli,

1. I'm not disagreeing about there being cliffs here, hence the natural=cliff tags still remain.

2. Regarding my comment about downstream data users, I can only quote my personal example which is [1]. I'm extracting names of features and using these in the walk description, and no...
12015-08-06 08:15:13 UTCaharvey Hi Mike,

What does the 50m mean at Eagles Nest Lookout? It's too low for altitude...
22015-08-06 08:32:44 UTCMikeAus When I visited there 2 years ago, the only signpost at the turnoff had written in it "Lookout - 50m" (i.e. 50 metres).
- has this changed ?
32015-08-06 09:30:00 UTCaharvey I'm not sure if it's changed.

What you describe seems to indicate that the lookout is 50m from the sign, which is informative, rather than forming part of the name. The name tag should just contain the actual name, ie. "Eagles Nest Lookout".

What do you think?
42015-08-06 12:14:35 UTCMikeAus If I need to direct someone to this lookout in an emergency, it's no good saying "Take the turnoff to Eagles Nest Lookout".
But if I say "take the turnoff Lookout 50m", they will know they are at the correct turnoff.
52015-08-08 08:07:03 UTCaharvey Perhaps would be better suited then, it allows you to capture the information about the "Lookout 50m" better. You could also put in the description tag of the lookout a note about the "Lookout - 50m" sign.

The reason...
62015-08-08 11:36:22 UTCMikeAus The need of the Emergency Services I work with, is for OSM to enable quick, error-free navigation to an incident. If the sign says "Lookout 50m", then that's what needs to appear on the map.
12015-07-20 09:42:32 UTCaharvey Hey did you mean to remove the highway=tertiary or the lcn=yes? Because your comment indicates the latter but you actually did the former.
22015-07-20 09:51:09 UTCinas Oops. Yes. Looks like you've fixed it up?
32015-07-20 10:01:24 UTCaharvey Nope, I haven't fixed it. I did pass a footway through the street, so I did make an edit after you, but didn't touch the tags. Are you right to correct?
42015-07-20 11:29:28 UTCinas yep. done.
12015-05-03 08:15:03 UTCaharvey Does the road still physically exist? Would it be better to tag it as access=no and place a barrier= node?
12015-04-23 00:13:28 UTCaharvey Just a question, when you said your source was Topo? What specifically was this source?
22015-04-23 00:23:24 UTCNathanaelB NSW Government topographic map which I referred to to draw my poly.
32015-04-23 00:26:54 UTCaharvey Aren't the NSW Government Topo Maps Copyright All Rights Reserved? I know the paper ones I have are and it appears the online ones at are too.

Were you able to get these under a license compatible with deriving informati...
42015-04-23 00:42:41 UTCNathanaelB I drew the poly and referred to paper map for some of the boundaries for less than 10% of the nodes plus my own on-the-ground survey and GPX data and reused the estuary shorelines and coastline nodes for the rest. Don't think that constitutes breaching copyright.
12015-04-18 05:20:15 UTCaharvey In this changeset you've added the name "Platform 2&3" to the railway landuse area covering the whole station. What were you intending to do here? Can you fix this?
12015-04-18 05:15:15 UTCaharvey It looks like this changset deleted the intersection so I've reverted it in

What were you trying to do in this changeset? Remove the cycleway=share_busway from Elizabeth Street?
12015-03-29 22:46:17 UTCaharvey Could you please explain the reasoning for adding these? Is it for a specific router?

There are some issues with these, for example the one you added at Heathcote station is wrong because there is no path running along the way you added.
12015-03-23 23:04:51 UTCaharvey Regarding way 302242009 [] the name tag is used to tag the names of things [] not provide a description or access restrictions, please use that tag instead []
22015-03-23 23:21:16 UTCnildes14 In my view this is a safety issue and safety must come before all other concerns. Please read the name and consider what it means! Tagging it description= relegates it to invisibility in all normal OSM rendering.

Removing the caution is a moral not stylistic decision. Until OSM has a visible tag...
32015-03-23 23:30:06 UTCaharvey According to it is good practice not to abuse the name tag in this way, and The default OSM rendering is not the only user of OSM dat...
12015-03-23 23:13:15 UTCaharvey Why is this named footbridge? Is there actually a sign labelling it? It seems to me like foot=yes + bridge=yes + highway=path is enough to indicated it is a footbridge.
12015-03-23 23:09:20 UTCaharvey Regarding way the name tag is reserved for just the name, ie. Dunns Leap Track. The extra information although on the sign isn't part of the way's name so shouldn't be in the tag value. This information can go in a description tag, however, it is best to ta...
12015-03-12 05:40:21 UTCaharvey When you tried to remove the turn restrictions for

it appears you just removed the tags from the relation, leaving a relation with no tags but still containing the members. To remove the turn restricti...
12015-03-12 03:47:03 UTCaharvey In this changeset you changed a pipeline to a road. I won't revert it because you made another change at the same time, but I will fix this mistake.
12015-02-15 21:45:40 UTCaharvey For way 866109501, I wouldn't class it is trail_visibility=bad (Path sometimes invisible, route partly pathless), as I found markers frequently along the trail, which sometimes had to be searched for which according to the wiki is trail_visibility=good (Next marker always visible, but sometimes has ...
22015-02-15 21:47:03 UTCaharvey Oops that's way 86610951
12015-01-19 09:41:24 UTCaharvey Why is named Pond? I couldn't find any sign or otherwise on the ground to support this. Shouldn't it just be water=pond without a name tag?
22015-01-19 20:58:45 UTCswanilli It was definitely there on 17 Nov 14. It is mentioned in Wildwalks track notes and visible in Google maps (zoom in here: -33.491738, 151.225933). Maybe it had dried up when you visited.
Let's face it, it's a small pond. I gave it the generic name "Pond" so it would be more visible. Now ch...
32015-01-20 08:53:02 UTCaharvey I meant I couldn't find a sign that named the it "Pond", I agree that the water does exist, it's just the name is wrong. See specifically the example of "closed pub (due for demolition): do not describe the object in lieu of a name."

I w...
42015-01-27 09:55:59 UTCaharvey I've updated this based on the name tag being just a description already provided by water=pond.
12014-11-07 23:22:39 UTCaharvey Hi,

When you split the Lane Cove River into two multipolygons... they are still the same river, just with a weir in it, shouldn't it all be part of the single multipolygon?
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