Changeset No. Date Contributor Comment
12017-12-09 09:03:20 UTCTomas Straupis You've made changes to some tags, but not all. Now references to cultural heritage are wrong, as well as attraction tags ar wrong.
22017-12-09 09:09:24 UTCTomas Straupis To be more clear. Event (baptising) is not a physical object. Physical objects are: church and complex of buildings. Only physical objects are mapped.
Tourism guide could have info, that Pilsudsky was baptised in Church X, then you look up Church X to find the place.
32017-12-09 11:24:45 UTCJay May O kur čia apie tai rašyti?
42017-12-09 11:32:00 UTCTomas Straupis Apie tai, kad šioje bažnyčioje buvo krikštytas Pilsudskis, galima rašyti į description ar description:pl žymą.
52017-12-10 17:52:35 UTCJay May Done. Patikrink jei viskas tvarkoj, ypač lietuviškai.
62017-12-10 18:12:10 UTCTomas Straupis Patikrinau, viskas tvarkoj (pataisiau nedidelę lt klaidelę).
12017-11-28 12:44:09 UTCJay May STOP CHANGING BORDER CHECKPOINTS! You are bringing confusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12017-11-14 19:21:29 UTCJay May Please rollback how this border checkpoint used to look
12017-11-14 19:20:54 UTCJay May Please rollback how this border checkpoint used to look.
12017-11-14 19:20:28 UTCJay May Please rollback how this border checkpoint used to look.
12017-11-10 07:36:28 UTCJay May Hello. May I know why you changed this border checkpoint?
12017-11-10 07:33:51 UTCJay May Hello. May I know why you reverted my changes on the Brest and Terespol border checkpoints?
12017-11-09 08:12:26 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo обьяснить почему удаление КПП Возможно название неверное но что то же здесь есть
22017-11-09 08:27:16 UTCJay May Не уверен, что понял вопрось. Я не удалил никакого КПП. Это было 2 месяцёв назад, и так что я помню там была другая категория. Теперь там как надо - barrier:border control
32017-11-09 16:38:56 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo полигон amenity=customs был удален Анализатолр правок показал четко
42017-11-09 16:40:51 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo и где это написано что вместо полигона пункт пропуска надо подписывать автобан ? на несколько километров
52017-11-09 17:05:22 UTCJay May Customs = таможня. А там нету таможников, только пограничники. Поэтому правильно (и сразу видно на каждым OSM-gps ) barrier:border control.
Там нету автобана. Это дорога в терене пункт...
12017-10-02 17:25:24 UTCyaugenka Jay May, my changes did not delete the previous data, whereas your reverting messed everthing up! There are now duplicate data. If you are doing reverting, do it wisely!
22017-10-02 17:51:43 UTCyaugenka I do not mind if you put the previous "name:* values but please be kind to correct the mess and restore the new values I added.
32017-10-03 16:48:12 UTCJay May The values you added were wrong. The only thing called „Hudahaj” is the train station. Those villages are called „Stancyja Hudahaj” and „Maly Hudahaj” respectively. Why should I restore wrong data if I’ve been there a couple of times, the latest of which was...
42017-10-03 17:33:39 UTCyaugenka Read this document from the district's government website:
http://ostrovets.grodno-region.by/uploads/files/000225_408421__selskij_ispolnitelnyj_komitet.doc

I moved the values from "name" tags into "alt_name" tags and put names from the document into the "name" tags....
52017-10-04 09:10:07 UTCJay May Your threat of reporting the above to the DWG is absolutely ridiculous given the fact you are the one who has been reverting my changes without/before even asking why I made them, and thus you brought more confusion. Your behavior is contrary to the good practice of OSM, which pretty much puts your ...
62017-10-04 12:41:55 UTCSomeoneElse Er - I'm confused...
That document appears to be a document in Russian listing some village and settlement names in Russian. It merely confirms that these places have Russian names (which no-one disagrees with) as well as Belarusian names (which in this region I'm sure no-one disagrees with either...
72017-10-04 17:51:28 UTCyaugenka @SomeoneElse, that is exactly the case which we were explaning to everyone in defence of Russian names in the "name" tags - almost all offical documents and maps are in Russian language.
This document is on the govenment website, govenment exacutive authority of the Ostivetskiy disctrict ...
82017-10-04 18:57:00 UTCSomeoneElse @yaugenka As I said, no one doubts that these places have BE and RU names. What I was asking about was your change of e.g. http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=1286803731 to lose the "Станция" part of the name (regardless of language).
Separately to that, from looking at htt...
92017-10-04 19:33:21 UTCyaugenka @SomeoneElse, I'm not argueing about the use of the languigies right now. I just explained that regardless of that the document is in Russian it is an official one.
The official name of the both settlesments is "Гудогай" without the "Малый" and "Станция&q...
102017-10-04 20:02:57 UTCSomeoneElse It's perfectly possible for 2 settlements (with different names) to be part of one larger admin area - I live in a place exactly like that myself.
112017-10-04 20:15:29 UTCSomeoneElse Also - on the "official languages" point, there are many places in OSM where the "official" language isn't the one used by people and on signs locally, and as per http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf it's the language used by people and o...
122017-10-04 20:41:06 UTCyaugenka Sorry, I do not quite understand why we are discussing the use of language here. How is it related to the difference between "Станция Гудогай" and "Гудогай".
132017-10-04 21:07:25 UTCyaugenka You can also look up the names in the official registry of settlements at http://maps.by/searchate
Here is a screenshot from there
https://www.awesomescreenshot.com/image/2866539/17f558f07c38fa35fd106b9e0650c342
142017-10-04 21:22:17 UTCyaugenka If we talk just about the use of these names, then try to search for "Станция Гудогай" or "Малый Гудогай" on the web and you will get "п. Гудогай" and "д. Гудогай" instead, like on this wiki page
https://ru.wikipedia....
152017-10-05 11:16:56 UTCJay May If the values are wrong, I still don't see what I should keep them as they were.
I've corrected many mistakes on OSM where the ending was not the proper one or the name was wrong (just as in this case). I haven't seen districts of one locality signed whatsoever. For instance, Bialkiški use...
162017-10-05 17:31:44 UTCyaugenka I'm greatfull for your contributions but mapping settlements from signs is not enough. The reality is constantly changing. Some settlements get annexed by larger ones or become independent or are renamed or cease to exist at all. And road signs are always going behind these changes.
For example, Bi...
172017-10-05 18:23:12 UTCSomeoneElse > So one must always double check it
> with the official registry.
I can't comment about Belarus directly but "What people refer to a place and how they classify it" and "how something is treated officially" are often very different in OSM. In most places the former get...
182017-10-05 19:13:21 UTCyaugenka There is not a single settlement with "admin" tag in Belarus. All settlements are mapped with "place" tag and correspond to official registry. The prority of mapping for us is actually the law, then the registry and then the signs. Because first comes an official act (e.g. about ...
192017-10-06 06:24:36 UTCJay May Bialkiški was marked as a neighborhood by myself :)
There is one thing I noticed in Belarus (very similar to Lithuania and to Ireland): ZIP codes seem not to be used ... Maybe it would be good to find them and map them?
202017-10-06 07:42:37 UTCyaugenka Bialkiški was marked as a neighborhood by myself :)
xm.. the history says it different
http://osm.mapki.com/history/relation.php?id=6910214
http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=242995527
212017-10-06 08:19:14 UTCJay May Ah, rightttt. Looks like this Georgij also knows about this.
However, I am the one who created the relation between Bialkiški and Astraviec.
You are welcome to have a look if I did it the right way.
222017-10-06 16:22:39 UTCyaugenka Not quite. It would be correct if the area of Bialkiški was outside Astraviec. Astraviec would then consist of two separate polygons like in this example
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1996913.
But Bialkiški is within Astraviec, i.e. one polygon is within another and this will...
232017-10-07 20:20:52 UTCyaugenka I have fixed the alt_name*s of Гудогай by myself and submitted a request to our state authority to provide the name of the official act according to which the names were officially changed.
242017-10-09 11:12:01 UTCJay May O.K. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised they are not even aware that those 2 villages have slightly different names ... I'm pretty confident their answer will be very interesting to read.
252017-10-13 16:13:10 UTCyaugenka Here is there answer
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwqmq6xk-oieRzJfRThiUWNaOURLY3Q3SXFfRW82ZGJEVXUw
They say that the addressing system (which includes the registry) was formally launched in 2012 and the villages have always been named in the registry as "п. Гудогай" and &quo...
262017-10-13 18:49:21 UTCSomeoneElse However, the law doesn't affect how we generally map stuff in OSM - it's what's on the ground that matters.
Don't just take my word for it, either - here's an answer to a similar question elsewhere: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2017-October/017990.html .
272017-10-13 19:10:11 UTCyaugenka I understand the on the ground rule and do not insist on changing the name right now but they may and are likely to correct the sign soon. Is anyone going to travel there from time to time to track the change for the map to stay up to date?
282017-10-13 19:30:26 UTCSomeoneElse > Is anyone going to travel there from time to time to track the change for the map to stay up to date?
To be honest, it's how I keep stuff up to date where I live. Obviously (as Canadians on OSM lists point out regularly) that's less applicable to places with a significantly lower population d...
292017-10-13 19:58:47 UTCJay May I will be there in a week or two.
About what you mentioned above on the ground rule regarding India: English has been chosen despite being a minority language because it is a language that is displayed in every roadsign, no matter the language of the province. Same for Ireland or the non-Brussels b...
302017-10-13 20:33:54 UTCyaugenka Imagine your need to make a business trip to this village and got a ticke to "п. Гудогай" - that is the name which is used in all documents and on the web. So you search for that name on the map but don't find any because on the map it is named "Станция Гудогай&q...
312017-10-14 10:38:54 UTCJay May ...and then they arrive on-spot and see „Станцыя Гудагай” written in Belarusian, which makes them really wonder what exactly is wrong with those names ... Neither the language, neither the full name correspond. „Что сделать...”
322017-10-14 11:24:35 UTCSomeoneElse For info, there's a widely-used tag for the "official name" of places: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/official_name .
332017-10-14 11:37:39 UTCyaugenka What is the sense of introducing one extra tag when 99.99% of names correspond to official ones and the remaing 0.01% is a \tneglect of the authorities who did not change the sign properly?
342017-10-14 11:40:20 UTCSomeoneElse Feel free to corretc me with actual numbers, but my impression so far is that a _very high percentage_ of names in OSM in BE don't match the names on the signs. One of the arguments put forward was that they are official names.
352017-10-14 11:43:44 UTCyaugenka >my impression so far is that a _very high percentage_ of names in OSM in BE don't match the names on the signs.
Can you give some examples apart from "Гудогай" where the names mismatch?
362017-10-14 11:55:11 UTCSomeoneElse Well, the DWG was sent lots of photographs of roadsigns and placenames in BE that in OSM are mapped in RU.
372017-10-14 12:16:46 UTCyaugenka We are not talking about the use of languages here, are we? This discussion is only about the correspondence of signs to official names. Both russian and belarusian names are official.
382017-10-16 05:53:16 UTCJay May I wouldn't say "What is the sense of introducing one extra tag when 99.99% of names correspond to official ones". Given the number of wrong names I corrected on the Belarusian soil, I would say up to 80% of the names do correspond .Let alone the language question - many times the name in R...
392017-10-16 07:59:48 UTCyaugenka >I would say up to 80% of the names do correspond
Please provide examples of the 20%.
402017-10-16 11:50:19 UTCJay May I've changed so many of them that now I won't remember everything :) Those Belarusian toponyms I had to change were mainly names with "-ызна" finishing with "-ына" in reality and the other way round (a lot of them), Янава called Янова officially (and other such n...
412017-10-16 17:03:18 UTCyaugenka >Янава called Янова officially.
The first one is in Belarusian the second one is in Russaion. So you are mixing languauges here.
>names with "-ызна" finishing with "-ына" in reality
Provide exact examples please.
>Валейкішкі on roadsigns / ...
12017-10-12 21:55:14 UTC4004 Isn't it "operator=BelToll"?
22017-10-13 06:25:49 UTCJay May What do you mean? That is what I wrote, right? :)
32017-10-13 22:03:44 UTC4004 yeah, you did, but you also added name=BelToll, Jay. Is it really necessary there? It could be argued it's not really the name of the node
42017-10-14 10:33:49 UTCJay May From a driver’s point of view it is more than useful, especially for drivers wanting to bypass as many toll booths as possiblr. I know what you mean, but I’m afraid putting the whole name “BelToll toll booth for buses, trucks, and non-Customs-Union cars” would not be effectiv...
52017-10-14 17:32:16 UTC4004 I see your point, but I'm just not sure this is correct tagging, adding a name tag just so this is easily discernible on the map. Technically speaking, all public road tolls on Belarusian roads are run by Beltoll, so one should assume it's Beltoll when noticing a booth tagged. To confirm this, "...
62017-10-16 06:23:08 UTCJay May There is still a lot of things to agree on those BelToll things. Some people are tagging it "toll=no, toll:hgv=yes", which I don't agree with because all cars which are not from the Customs Union need to pay. We must find a way for that to be reflected on OSM. Are you participating in the ...
72017-10-16 21:19:22 UTC4004 tagging the toll key is another matter (although an important one), I was originally concerned with the usage of name tag here
12017-10-15 19:29:02 UTCJay May Good evening. May I know why you are changing "ežeras" into "ež."? A couple of OSM wiki pages clearly state we mustn't use abbreviations.
22017-10-15 20:16:59 UTCTomas Straupis Local agreements take precedence over international ones.
32017-10-16 06:02:31 UTCJay May ... and where is the Lithuanian local agreement?
42017-10-16 06:33:13 UTCTomas Straupis http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lithuania
https://lt.wikibooks.org/wiki/Atviro_%C5%BEem%C4%97lapio_vadovas
12017-10-09 12:48:36 UTCjuhanjuku Can you please explain why you changed highway classification from secondary to primary for Rapla — Järvakandi — Kergu?
22017-10-10 05:45:28 UTCJay May Hello. Because I drove there and it is an alternative route to the Via Baltica, just like the road through Lihula. Why do you ask? Do you think it is wrong?
32017-10-10 06:23:46 UTCjuhanjuku Estonian OSM community has agreed higways classifications. Primary are highways connecting big citys.
https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%B5himaantee.
Please don't change them.

Also, please don't use Bing aerial images for Estonia because they have big shift. Instead you can use Maaamet images w...
42017-10-10 07:05:33 UTCJay May Hi again
I understood that, which is why I changed the classification. However, I understand what you mean: if you take the road stretches I changed separately, for sure they are not roads connecting main cities. However, I changed that because I have a vistion of routes as a whole. I think it is a...
52017-10-10 07:14:14 UTCjuhanjuku It has been discussion in local OSM forum and about roads classification in Estonia and agreed to stick to wiki definition. It was common decision, so please don't change them.
I reverted your changes.
62017-10-10 07:16:38 UTCjuhanjuku Official classification from Estonian authorities:
https://www.mnt.ee/et/tee/eesti-teedevork
72017-10-10 08:37:36 UTCJay May What about the Western Rapla bypass?
Where is that local agreement? Not that I want to discuss the reverting of all this stretch, but I would like at least the town bypasses to be signed higher than parallel roads leading through city centers
P.S: thanks a lot for your suggestion about maaamet.
82017-10-10 13:12:47 UTCjuhanjuku Discussion about road classes was in local OSM forum.
In Estonia we have permission from Maaamet to use state official data. Roads classification around Rapla you can see here:
http://xgis.maaamet.ee/xGIS/XGis?app_id=UU75&user_id=at&bbox=540882.217420021,6537584.08015333,551605.020142087,6...
12017-10-06 07:52:41 UTCHarald Hartmann Hello JayMay. At
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40799359
you have tagged
`name:ру`.
But i couldn't find `py` in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-2_codes
Is it a typo?
22017-10-06 08:17:28 UTCJay May lol Thanks for highlighting it.
It was supposed to be "name:ru", but I had forgotten to switch the keyboard before writing "ru" so it was writen in Cyrillic as "ру". :D :D :D
I've just corrected it. If you see similar mistakes ru/ру made by myself (sometimes I wan...
12017-10-01 17:54:20 UTCyaugenka Please do not delete "place" tag from relations/ways.
22017-10-02 05:39:43 UTCJay May ? What are you talking about?
32017-10-02 07:52:12 UTCyaugenka Here are some examples where you deleted "place" tags from hamlet boundaries. Later on I moved all tag info into the relations.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25139642/history
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25139645/history
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/271970034/history
42017-10-02 09:00:27 UTCJay May Are you sure it was me? I usually never delete this kind of info unless I want to create a new item or create a new relation between the built-up area and the name of the place (but 3 months ago I didn't even know such things exist ...)
52017-10-02 14:27:28 UTCJay May I see nothing wrong here.
62017-10-02 17:02:27 UTCyaugenka It is not possible to identify settlement boundary if there is no "place" tag in it. So it is very wrong to delete this tag.
12017-10-02 14:19:23 UTCJay May Please revert these changes. I put the right names of the villages. I drive regularly through them. They are called Maly Hudahaj and Stancyja Hudahaj. Only the train station itself is called "Hudahaj" Do not change such things without asking!
12017-10-01 17:31:24 UTCyaugenka Hi. Can you tell why this hamlet was changed to suburb?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1670519816
22017-10-02 05:42:00 UTCJay May Because it is a suburb and not a village. When you drive there, the Narbuty village limit is precisely where Zarečča is mapped.
32017-10-02 06:10:56 UTCJay May Now, you are welcome to revert the changes you made.
42017-10-02 17:16:30 UTCyaugenka All our official documents say that Заречье is a separate hamlet. Did you ask people if the hamlets were united into one? It is possible that the sign was put into wrong place.
12017-09-07 20:57:38 UTCJay May Hello. May I know the reason why you are reverting names?
22017-09-07 21:29:45 UTCLLlypuk82 Hello. Yes, of course. According Закон Республики Беларусь от 16.11.2010 №190-З "О наименованиях географических объектов" (http://pravo.newsby.org/belarus/zakon0/z326.htm) geonames in Belarus are assigned and stored in two lan...
32017-09-07 21:47:10 UTCJay May If I follow your logic, then I should change by default each country/region/village where the majority of the population speaks another language than the one on the roadsigns (for example, I should put Polish in Eastern Lithuania, Russian in Eastern Latvia, Hungarian in Southern Slovakia and to Arab...
42017-09-07 21:50:03 UTCJay May P.S.: Please note even Russian maps Yandex use Belarusian names as the main ones.
52017-09-07 21:59:32 UTCLLlypuk82 Are you sure about Yandex? There is a screenshot https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/sanik82/album/419689/view/1443769
62017-09-07 22:06:56 UTCLLlypuk82 You use incorrect analogies. Not simply "the majority of the population speaks another language than the one on the road signs", but majority of the citizens of the Belarus.
72017-09-08 05:07:43 UTCJay May As soon as I am in front of a computer I will post a screenshot of Yandex (I don't know how to post it over here).
Anyway my point is: OSM is not about politics or personal language preference, but about reflecting the reality and so far we were not doing that in Belarus. I drive there every two we...
82017-09-08 06:09:38 UTCAmbush LLlypuk82 OSM is not about language problems of biggest part of country population, it is about reflecting geographical objects in geographical data base. According to law you cited, geographical names assigned in Belarusian, then they are transliterated to Russian because this is the second nation...
92017-09-08 06:20:16 UTCmOlind Agreed. "name" tag is for name as it written on sign. name:ru and name:by could be filled too. To let users choose what name they want to read. Same value inside name and name:by is ok. First tolds us what should we expect to see and second in 100% times in Belarusian.
102017-09-08 06:39:30 UTCJay May Screenshots from what I see from my computer on Yandex:
- In English: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/116538206482963449572/album/6463292506880436433/6463292504796189858?authkey=CPHviqDkqcGDfw
- In Russian: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/116538206482963449572/album/6463292506880436433/64632...
112017-09-08 07:27:39 UTCГеоргий Ильин Напишу по-Английски ))
@Jay May, thank you for highlighting this in pm. I will reply later.
@LLlypuk82: please understand that this is not against Russian language ))) We have to leave the Russian name, but only in the name:ru tag (unless it appears in Russian on-spot, like for in...
122017-09-08 15:25:14 UTCJaŭhien For example Google Maps https://i.imgur.com/V2SFlRN.png use the names of cities, villages and etc in Belarusian language and łacinka. Google have many users on the world, but all ok for tourists and the population of the country
132017-09-08 16:51:07 UTCyaugenka @Jay May, if you visit Belarus and ask people for directions, you will hardly get a reply in Belarussian language anywhere. That it the reality of our countly and the name tag must reflect that realy. If somebody wants to have names displayed in Belarussian they are free to use the name:be tag which...
142017-09-08 17:31:05 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo The main argument is the signs of the names of cities and towns that the driver sees. Seen by the driver, should be in the name. The remaining arguments (the internal language policy of the government, the language of communication of local residents) is for other mapping projects.

If the Russian...
152017-09-08 18:06:33 UTCyaugenka The "group of people who contradict the principle of "on-ground"" signs comprize 74% of the pupulation of the country. By introducting this change you would abuse the primary users of OSM Belarus - the citizens of the country.
162017-09-08 19:08:58 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo You are plotting with official statistics. 74 percent are the urban population. The rural provincial population - the situation on the contrary - there is approximately the same figure Belarusian-speaking population. So we have parity. Or, in plain language, 50 percent of both languages comes out. Y...
172017-09-08 20:31:35 UTCyaugenka @Poliakoff Mykhailo, can you provide any proves of your statement that both language are used 50/50? Have you ever been in our country at all? I myself come from a village and can assure you that no one is speaking Belarusian there, those 26% are mostly located in big cities. I'm just wondering why ...
182017-09-08 22:08:19 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo In the project's argument is banners/signs/names of settlements. The argument about who what morvoû talks is not the main one. Map of what is done for turitìv. With the tourist will communicate the convenient to him. You do not mind that the plaques with the names of Belarusian. So then...
192017-09-08 23:05:25 UTCyaugenka Your suggestion to have two names in one one tag is out of this topic. We are now talking about replacement of russian names by belarusian ones.
The number of local people using the map for business and leisure is by far bigger than the number of foreign tourists and regardless of what is written o...
202017-09-09 12:52:43 UTCAmbush yaugenka: one more time: Ground Truth rule is not about local traditions and preferences, it's about Ground Truth. And OSM is not a local Belarusian project. It's world wide. So you can't sacrifice billions of planet Earth people to a couple of millions citizens of one little country.
212017-09-09 12:58:38 UTCyaugenka @ambush, it is the question of number of users, not population.
222017-09-09 13:28:46 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo Yaugenka care less on rules and on the arguments. To him, the main thing that the Russian language everywhere won the Belarusian language. The victory should be by humiliation, discrimination of the Belarusian language. His pattern of behavior in these discussions it confirms absolutely.

232017-09-09 14:54:35 UTCyaugenka @Poliakoff Mykhailo, if you visit Belarus and talk to people you will hardly find anyone talking against the Belarusian language and me is not an exception. You guys are giving favor to foreign tourist, whereas I defent the interest of local people nation-wide, not just some minority.
242017-09-09 14:59:44 UTCmOlind I think yaugenka just misses main point. There is no negative effect for russian speaking users. Because most applications let users to change language. Open openstreetmap.by and check it yourself. There is no single reason to keep russian instead belarussian in name tag. Only because it's easier to...
252017-09-09 15:02:24 UTCAmbush Guys, according to what we discussed here and in personal mail I've reverted this reverting changeset. For me it's a very strange situation to discuss should we follow main OSM rules for Belarus or not. I want to propose to ask DWG to help us if we can't find satisfying decision.
262017-09-09 15:25:49 UTCLLlypuk82 OK. What will you propose for situation when road signs have bilingual (or more) inscriptions?
272017-09-09 20:31:38 UTCJay May - Village, town and city names: name:* in Belarusian only.
- Street signs: this is the tricky part. In Minsk or Brest, the situation is clear (official street signs are all in Belarusian). However, there are some towns or villages without any official street signs, just the name on the street (usua...
282017-09-09 22:24:13 UTCyaugenka Can anyone tell the purpose of the name tag in general? is it just for putting sign info into it and remain them whenever signs get changed?
292017-09-10 08:13:05 UTCJay May The "name=*" tag in general is to show what is written on the road, street or shop signs, whatever it is.
302017-09-10 13:07:23 UTCAmbush I agree with Jay May. And I want to say that if someone see the name at the road sign in Russian, he can ask local authorities to fix it according to cited law.
312017-09-10 19:32:30 UTCyaugenka What are your aguments for renaming according to the on-ground rule except for "just because it is common convention"?
322017-09-10 20:30:58 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo Скажыце калі ласка, калі вы рэгістраваліся ў дадзеным праекце вы гатовыя былі паважаць правілы праекта падабаюцца ці не падабаюцца яны вам? Тым у што ваша пытанне з...
332017-09-11 18:50:12 UTCyaugenka @Poliakoff Mykhailo,
I stop any communication with you because are not following the conversation and are making provoking comments.

@Jay May, @Ambush, @mOlind, @Григорий Ильин, @Jaŭhien,
Here are our main arguments against the change.
1. There are no official up-to-date printed ...
342017-09-11 20:17:31 UTCГеоргий Ильин My name is Георгий, not Григорий )))) Moreover, I see no provocation from Poliakoff Mykhailo, just emotions. Anyway, guys, please don't get personal (both yaugenka and Mykhailo). Let's keep this discussion calm and constructive.
About your arguments:
1) This doesn't change the fact ...
352017-09-11 21:32:45 UTCyaugenka @Георгий Ильин, first let me apologies for the mistyped name. Secondly, let me clarify the points.
Whatever language you select in your settings you will still get the name from "name" tag displayed on http://www.openstreetmap.org and in editors. I think there is no need to ex...
362017-09-11 22:06:05 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo (@Poliakoff Mykhailo,
I stop any communication with you because are not following the conversation and are making provoking comments.
@Jay May, @Ambush, @mOlind, @Григорий Ильин, @Jaŭhien, )
Согласно сложившейся практики ведения дискуссии ...
372017-09-12 00:09:53 UTCyaugenka @Mykhailo, you already can be banned for changing the data and open calls to continue changing the data while the discussion is still going on.
The above mentioned official internet resource can freely be used for validation. Can you name any alternatives in the Belarusian language?
382017-09-12 05:37:30 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo (you already can be banned for changing the data and open calls to continue changing the data while the discussion is still going on.)- продублируйте на русском , агнлийский язык для меня совсем чужой , а в переводе Гугл и Майк...
392017-09-12 07:59:25 UTCyaugenka @Mykhailo,
1. you was writing in Enlish very well previously, so the statement that you don't understand English is a cheat.
2. the statement that official sources cannot be relied on is absolutely illogical. The same thing about replying on wikipedia.
3. it is a shame to here from an attorney th...
402017-09-12 09:57:40 UTCmavl Hello all.

> The local convention for using Russian language in the "name" tag exists from the very beginning of the osm project...

yaugenka, does OSM wiki contain this convention?

Vladimir Marshinin
Data Working Group
412017-09-12 14:21:44 UTC4004 While most of you here provide convincing arguments in favour of name:be->name, yaugenka is correct in pointing out name:be tags don't even cover some areas. Belarusian OSM community has long wanted/struggled to do the switch, but it would leave a map in disarray and possibly introduce challenges...
422017-09-12 15:46:19 UTCJay May @4004: all transition periods have their own issues and there is no problem without any solution ;) Poliakoff Mykhailo seems to know a lot on a similar case: neighboring Ukraine. Anyway, on such technical details I prefer reading your propositions because I'm not as good as you guys yet. But some ...
432017-09-12 17:39:50 UTCAmbush And there is not a problem if there will be different languages in name (for objects which haven't name:be filled) because whole OSM name's on the planet are in different languages. If it just haven't any Belarusian alternative, it'll be left in Russian.
442017-09-12 18:08:37 UTCLLlypuk82 @mavl
Здесь говорится о соглашении 2009 года:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Belarus:Map_languages
452017-09-12 19:36:44 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo You must understand that the further delay matters more complicated will be the solution. Take the similar project of Google, there is a fairly well is in difficulties, you're specifying, the Belarusian version of the map. And done it all for the year and a half: Belarusian street caused caused by...
462017-09-12 23:22:29 UTCyaugenka @Mykhailo, you are again trying to mislead the discussion. The main argument in defence of this change is that our local convention contradicts the common rule of the on-the-ground signs.
If we start following the common rule it will not be a Belarusian map. It will be a mixture of Belarusian and R...
472017-09-13 04:37:10 UTCmavl > Здесь говорится о соглашении 2009 года...

LLlypuk82, thank you very much for it.

> in disputed areas, the name that must appear is the one on the sign

See also [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes]

Belarus is the stable cou...
482017-09-13 06:32:59 UTCГеоргий Ильин A disputed area it is not necessarily an area where there is an ongoing war or that is politically unstable.
A disputed area in OSM is also an area where not everyone agrees on the language that should be displayed, and it is the case of Belarus. It is also the case of some regions in stable count...
492017-09-13 06:54:52 UTCJay May Wow guys, this discussion is really active :D As I'm not getting the notifications on my email, I am always amazed when I enter this thread.
Let us be clear once again (sorry if I repeat what was written a couple of times):
a) As a couple of us pointed out, the agreement shown above violates the m...
502017-09-13 07:36:34 UTCГеоргий Ильин Yes )))) We are active ))) But I find it is not fair that 2 people are slowing the whole process while we had been discussing these matters for months and we had agreed on making the Belarus map realistic. To me they can be helpful on the technical part, but overall the decision has been made and it...
512017-09-13 08:15:23 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo A result of our discussion is checking for durability of основообразующего principle of project of on ground/ Ancient римляны to our era created wisdom integrity is stopped up in that . A law is severe, but it is a law. In the original of dura lex sed lex. On the observance o...
522017-09-13 08:36:39 UTC4004 >Belarus is the only former USSR country where the use of Russian has increased. That is a matter of fact. However, all toponyms are in Belarusian
This is (perhaps sadly) not always the case. If you transit/travel through Belarus you might get the impression that Belarusian is indeed used univer...
532017-09-13 09:04:17 UTCJay May @4004: the majority of us agreed on switching the name tag to Belarusian and to check whether the name:ru tag is filled. This is for toponyms, monuments, and administrative levels (when you travel into Belarus), you see clearly written "Мінская воблсасць" and not "Ми...
542017-09-13 09:29:10 UTC4004 @Jay May
>for toponyms, monuments, and administrative levels
This should work fine for admin levels (100% bilingual I believe). Toponyms will need some work (last figure I've seen was around 70%?), while monuments is debatable, but alas.
Indeed, at the time the convention was agreed there was ...
552017-09-13 10:09:15 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo @4004 Monuments are low-level edits. We are now discussing the high-level amendments-human settlements. In Ukraine, monuments of Soviet time survived also in Russian. But they did not become a hindrance to ukrainization even in the Russian-speaking territories of Ukraine. Monuments, I guess not so m...
562017-09-13 10:17:37 UTCJay May @Poliakoff Mykhailo - Your point is good. You mention the ў, it is usually automatically transliterated automatically into "y" instead of "ŭ" when you switch to another language than Russian. This is why it is extremely important not to forget to transliterate into Latin in the...
572017-09-13 10:31:17 UTC4004 It certainly will look similar, at least at first.
@Poliakoff Mykhailo if we are talking technical points now, such a switch would introduce challenges not only for those without a "ў"-supporting keyboard, but also those confused by 2 languages used side-by-side in similar contexts, be i...
582017-09-13 11:41:32 UTCJay May @4004 Anyway, nobody is trying to Belarusize business names ;) And about monuments, I had included it for 2 reasons:
- they are always shown in Belarusian on roadsigns
- On those monuments you usually have some sign with the word "каштоўнасць" ("monument" if I'm not ...
592017-09-13 12:32:52 UTCmOlind I vote for automatic process. It's easy to break things when manually changing ways and relations.
602017-09-13 12:35:39 UTCJay May Given what mOlind just mentioned, I also vote for an automatic process.
612017-09-13 13:46:21 UTC4004 @Jay May I believe you might've mixed up monuments (which include Lenin statues and the like) with historical/touristy places, like castles etc. Different things, certainly the historical pois (especially the important/popular ones) would usually have a name:be as well.
Regarding the switch, automa...
622017-09-13 13:52:19 UTCJay May Proofreading is always easier than reading ;) So it is a good solution to make it automatically and switch. Especially that people like Georgij or me are not proficient in some OSM matters yet (like that addr tag)
632017-09-13 14:14:03 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo I'm for the automatic

Then 2-3 days and on the map will be the Belarusian language. When it appears you will be able to click through all the settlements. To correct to the Belarusian language name: prefix addr: district addr province Also I ask to approve the name tag: en where the name of objec...
642017-09-13 14:16:49 UTCJay May My opinion is that the English tag in that standard would be O.K., but the int_name tag should be in Belarusian Łacinka.
652017-09-13 15:33:07 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo The result should be reported on the page of the communities of neighboring countries and DWG.
662017-09-14 08:30:08 UTC4004 a forum topic needs to be started on this, and approval from DWG would be nice, before doing anything
672017-09-14 09:03:56 UTC4004 int_name is already filed correctly, in accordance with http://www.pravo.by/pdf/2007-159/2007-159%28027-028%29.pdf
682017-09-14 09:59:23 UTCJay May O.K.guys. As soon as you start, please provide the link
692017-09-14 11:13:21 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo I will finalize now the Khotsinsk raion then along the border with the Russian Federation, then the area to the north of the Khotsinsk raion.
702017-09-14 11:23:46 UTC4004 I would propose we wait until there is an agreement on how and when to proceed, and do not attempt anything before that
712017-09-14 11:26:40 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo how to do the proposed example http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25076922
722017-09-14 11:45:47 UTC4004 aren't you rushing a bit Mykhailo? No agreement has been reached, no DWG approval granted, and it was supposed to be centralized and auto, no "regional tests"
732017-09-14 12:29:56 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo This format I provided earlier in this discussion. Therefore, we are informed. If something causes you suspicion, express ideas.
742017-09-14 12:34:14 UTCAmbush At the ByOSM Telegram chat we decided to have a meeting to discuss all the technical details, tools and other before doing any automated changes.
Welcome everyone who wants to join this discussion, t.me/byosm
752017-09-14 12:35:08 UTC4004 "We" might be informed, but this is not enough to start implementing changes, and certainly not by doing it on your own in one place.
"Мы" тут, может быть, и в курсе, но этого недостаточно, чтобы начинать что-то меня...
762017-09-14 12:51:47 UTC4004 @Ambush could the osm forum be a better place?
772017-09-14 12:53:16 UTCLLlypuk82 You are welcome http://openstreetmap.by/
782017-09-14 12:57:09 UTC4004 that's the renderer that uses name:be if it exists
792017-09-15 00:41:52 UTCyaugenka Until it is completely agreed to change the current local convention, it must be observed! All changes have been reverted.
802017-09-15 06:26:42 UTCГеоргий Ильин Jaugenka, I've just gone through the threads of various discussions this morning and you wrote "ничего не трогаем" ("we don't touch anything"). Thus, nobody allowed you to revert any changes, especially given the fact other multilingual names and wikipedia data hav...
812017-09-15 06:33:21 UTCJay May Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????????????????? Jauhenka deleted all the changes we had all made from the very beginning! As you said Georgij, multilingual changes, but even road changes!
I was Jauhenka was a reasonable person, but I'm afraid what one of the guys told me is right: he is just trying to gain ...
822017-09-15 07:45:59 UTCyaugenka Fist of all, all of you were warned several times in this thread not to make any changes while the discussion is going on. Secondly, for now only renamings of settlements and admin boundaries have been reverted. I'm yet to analyse what else you have renamed.
832017-09-15 07:49:00 UTCmOlind Вот только не надо брать на себя святую миссию все откатывать. Это сильно пахнет вандализмом и может закончится баном. Я не оправдываю тех, кто полез переименовыват...
842017-09-15 07:54:17 UTCmOlind Как я вижу ситуацию на настоящий момент: Переименование будет. Будет по всей стране и в автоматизированном режиме. Ни одно название на русском не пострадает. Все бу...
852017-09-15 07:55:03 UTCmOlind Кто очень хочет начать переименовывать - вносите name:be, где их нету. Они не потеряются и будут использованы в последующем для name.
862017-09-15 08:58:28 UTCJay May @yaugenka: O.K. There is an enormous confusion here with people asking to change manually while people discuss about changing automatically, people asking to wait for the automatic change, and people who don't want any change. Nevertheless, that doesn't change the fact that no one gave you the autho...
872017-09-15 09:45:17 UTC4004 >Кто очень хочет начать переименовывать - вносите name:be, где их нету. Они не потеряются и будут использованы в последующем для name
+1 to that (your app is nice btw).
Translation: those who want ...
882017-09-15 10:07:33 UTC4004 Oh, and here is a translation checker
http://latlon.org/~alex73/vulicy.html
892017-09-15 14:32:59 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo 4004 : перестаньте пользуясь что не все грамотньіе технически вводить людей в заблуждение. Указанньіе на офруме проблемі являются вьідуманньіми лично Вами. Поповоду...
902017-09-15 14:43:00 UTC4004 @Poliakoff Mykhailo:
вы меня с кем то путаете? я никого в заблуждение не ввожу, и уж точно ничего не придумываю.
последняя ссылка, которую я тут привел - ближе всего, из того, ...
912017-09-15 15:34:59 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo а как делаем -- оставляем name:be-tarask и дублируем в name:be? Или name be-tarask переделываем в name be. при этом надо учитыват ь что здесь одинаково то ест ька кбы транслитерация а сог...
922017-09-15 23:57:27 UTC4004 Всем заинтересованным:
-в первую очередь необходимо проверить, что name=name:ru для будущего перехода автоматом. Если name!=name:ru, проверить какой из вариантов соответствуе...
932017-09-16 13:57:18 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo Есть проблемное село в Хотимском раене Ново-Григорьевка. По белорусски не соотвествует русскому . Искать надо официальное название на белорусском или подтвержден...
942017-09-16 15:37:13 UTCyaugenka @Mykhailo, вам для справки. В одном районе может быть несколько нп с одним названием. Если они отличаются типом (поселок, деревня, снп) то тип нужно обязательно указать в ...
952017-09-16 17:24:43 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo Изучите правки мои в Хоцінскам раёне. Все о чем вы пишите сделано мною изначально кроме сельсовета . Сейчас заново перегребаю район чтоб всем поставить сельсоветы
962017-09-17 17:01:28 UTCyaugenka Всем НП проставлять сельсовет большой надобности нету. Речь только о тех, у которых повторяется название в рамках одного района.
972017-09-18 05:40:27 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo то что вы предлагаете, превратить карту в порнографию. Тег используется или нет. Предстоит много подготовительной работы . И нет времени тратить времени на изучени...
982017-09-18 06:36:40 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo Яугенка всвязи с тем что іВовік занимается занимаеться расизмом ксенофобией и дискриминацией белорусского языка
992017-09-19 21:36:11 UTCyaugenka @Mykhailo, переименовывая addr:* и name:prefix на белорусский вы ломаете существующие программы. Откатывайте свои правки!
1002017-09-20 08:25:34 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo Праблема Беларусі я бачу не ў сферы тэхналогій, у у тым, што ў кіраўніцтве ўсіх інтэрнэт-праектаў сядзяць людзі якія атрымліваюць дадатковыя матэрыяльныя ўзнагаро...
1012017-09-20 08:37:15 UTCmOlind И обсуждение скатилось в флуд. Отписываюсь.
1022017-09-20 09:43:36 UTC4004 собственно как и в телеграме. что то менять никто не договаривался
1032017-09-20 11:48:49 UTCJay May @4004 Which is why I asked for people in Telegram "where are we going" because it is such a mess that it's hard for everyone to get what we should do.
@Mykhailo @Yaugenka - STOP!
1042017-09-20 21:24:13 UTCSomeoneElse Hi all - Andy from the Data Working Group here. A couple have people have mentioned the ongoing arguments about language names in Belarus to us, and we'd like to do what we can to help. Obviously we're somewhat aware of the history here (and I've read the various numbers, some conflicting, on https...
1052017-09-21 06:25:22 UTCJay May Hi Andy.
I've already sent such pics around a week ago. Please ask your colleague Frederik Ramm. In case you need them again, I can send them once more :)
In short, asI had already told, toponyms are usually in Belarusian (cities, towns, villages, rivers, lakes...) while commercial names are most...
1062017-09-21 13:38:55 UTCLLlypuk82 Stop, guys. What about our local agreement which was reached in same time as road signs was already in belorussian?
Nothing is changed still. There is no reason to avoid the agreement. Photos have no sense in this case.
1072017-09-22 05:36:58 UTCJay May The local agreement was perhaps good in a certain context back in 2009. But the context has changed.
1082017-09-24 10:06:56 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo To improve an electronic geographical map ONLY on signboards confirms the Belarussian WIKI-RULE
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Belarus:%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%89%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82_%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%...
1092017-09-28 19:34:48 UTCSomeoneElse For info, I've just posted this to the BE forum:

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=665838#p665838

All feedback (from everyone who hasn't already commented) gratefully received.
1102017-10-01 09:33:27 UTCMaturi0n I think the most important factor here should be what the local OSM community wants. People from other countries (Poland, Ukraine, Russia, etc) shouldn't dictate the Belarusian community which language they use as their main mapping language. If they agreed to use Russian, this should be respected. ...
1112017-10-02 06:07:55 UTCJay May @Maturi0n - I’m aware your heart beats more for the Russian language to be left, but this is not a matter of the local community wanting or not wanting something (and anyway most of the guys who discuss with us do support the Belarusian language or a full ground truth rule). OSM is neither a l...
1122017-10-02 08:33:13 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo Now the rule according to signs "decides at the earth" works or not. Or the precedent which will do to other countries by a push is created, the fact that there is a wish. Especially it is dangerous to territories of the conflicts where the tomahawk of wars of changes is dug. The Belarusia...
1132017-10-02 08:39:52 UTCPoliakoff Mykhailo in Russian Сейчас решаеться правило по знакам "на земле " работает или нет. Или создается прецедент, который будет толчком другим странам делать , то что хочется. О...
12017-10-01 19:32:23 UTCyaugenka Hi. Please note that alternative names should be put into "alt_name:" tag instead of in breakets of the "name:" tag. Thanks.
22017-10-01 19:45:46 UTCyaugenka and btw where do you take those alterantive names from. I cannot find any reference in our office documents about such names
32017-10-01 19:51:07 UTCyaugenka If those are old names, they should be put int "old_name" tag instead.
42017-10-02 05:40:57 UTCJay May All my sources are in my profile.
52017-10-02 11:58:22 UTCyaugenka It is not good putting pre-Worl War II names into "name" tag. They should be put in old_name tag instead.
12017-09-22 13:28:32 UTCJay May I do not understand why my changes have been reversed.

On wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway), it is clearly indicated:
- Highway=trunk: "The most important roads in a country's system that aren't motorways. (Need not necessarily be a divided highway.)"
- Highway=pr...
22017-09-22 14:35:46 UTCToeBee You commented on your own changeset. Whoever reverted your changes isn't going to see this. You need to find the changeset that changed the classification back and comment there. Also, I will say that using a proper changeset comment explaining why you changed the highway tag might make it less like...
32017-09-22 15:16:08 UTCJay May O.K. I will revert those changes manually as I don’t have JOSM. Thanks
12017-09-22 07:05:56 UTCHarald Hartmann Hello Jay May. At http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/411066590 you have tagged `hg` instead of `hgv`, right? #typo
22017-09-22 07:34:45 UTCJay May Hi Harald :)
Yes, it was a typo. It was supposed to be "hgv" :)
Thanks for highlighting that. I corrected it.
12017-09-21 13:31:27 UTCSomeoneElse For the avoidance of any doubt - Google Streetview isn't a valid source for OSM (the licence is incompatible). Obviously you may be mapping things from local knowledge here (and just saying "they really do exist; you can look at GSV if you don't believe me!"), and this data has been delet...
22017-09-22 05:41:32 UTCJay May Hi Andy. I’ve already been acknowledged with this fact a couple of months ago, after what I stopped using GSV for OSM immediately; but thanks for your reminder. Kind regards. Jerry
32017-09-22 05:42:45 UTCJay May P.S.: in this case I hadn’t used GSV, but I wrote that because one specific user from LT kept deleting my changes and I was angry...
12017-09-15 08:13:31 UTCLidaCity вандал!
22017-09-15 08:30:01 UTCJay May ?
12017-09-14 06:49:45 UTCJay May Hello Pavel :)
Thanks for participating in our effort to make the map more realistic.
However, please bear in mind we agreed to:
step a) Copy "name:be" to "name"
step b) Leave the Russian name in "name:ru".
In this case, I'm afraid you removed totally the "nam...
22017-09-14 08:28:46 UTC4004 Anyone with josm at hand, please revert
32017-09-14 08:40:44 UTC4004 nevermind, done
42017-09-14 08:54:12 UTCJay May @4004 We should explain to Pavel-kulik that the aim of the changes is not to delete the Russian names, but to put them at the right place...
52017-09-14 09:32:34 UTC4004 I (and possibly others) messaged him before trying to understand his logic and guide him, but got no reply, so has been wary of his changes
62017-09-14 09:35:49 UTCJay May Then his account should be suspended. At least temporarily
72017-09-14 10:04:03 UTC4004 reported to DWG
82017-09-15 04:25:41 UTCmavl Здравствуйте, pavel-kulik. Спасибо за участие в проекте OpenStreetMap.

Участники проекта заметили, что вы удаляете признаки (теги) name:be и name:ru и меняете значение признака name. ...
12017-08-09 10:15:17 UTCjuhanjuku Why you connected waterway and highway with node?
Node: Valka (LV) - Valga (EST) (5022787218)
22017-08-09 10:49:40 UTCJay May Sorry, I do not understand your question... Where exactly?
32017-08-09 10:53:42 UTCjuhanjuku Select below in your changeset node
Node: Valka (LV) - Valga (EST) (5022787218)
and you see the place
42017-08-09 10:57:53 UTCJay May I am unable to see the exact place.
Anyway, I don't remember merging a waterway and a waterway with a node. So it is most probably a mistake from myself. Could you please correct it?
52017-08-09 11:04:41 UTCjuhanjuku Its border point where highways Semināra iela & Sepa intersect with stream Varžupīte.
You can see error in Osmose.
I can correct it.
62017-08-09 11:08:52 UTCJay May Aaa. now I see it. Actually my aim was to merge the border point on the bridge so it is in phase both with the national LV/EST border, as well as with the river (Varžupite). However, that border point must be on the bridge.
I was also looking for the Estonian name of that river, but haven't found ...
12017-07-31 15:45:14 UTCmueschel Hi,
could you explain all the name tags of this node?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4858193412
I doubt it has this name with '3.5 t'
22017-08-01 07:13:29 UTCJay May Hi :)
Sure! This is for people using OSM-based GPS apps (ex.: maps.me) to know which lane is for regular cars (≤3.5t meaning “for vehicles with a weight up to 3,5 tons), and which one is for trucks (TIR, abbreviation of Transport International Routier, is understood by every truck driver u...
32017-08-01 14:30:29 UTCmueschel We do have a clear policy that the name tag contains just the actual name and does not contain any description. For this you can use tags like maxweight or hgv. If tools like maps.me do not support this, request them to adapt to common OSM tagging rules.
42017-08-01 17:40:00 UTCJay May One question: what will it change for OSM if those border control tagged names are not visible to regular OSM users anyway?
52017-08-01 18:15:40 UTCmueschel Who is a "regular osm user"? There are hundreds of different maps and tools around. All of them render different things. And for example searching for names gets increasingly difficult if we add arbitrary information to the name tag.
62017-08-01 18:52:38 UTCJay May I'm afraid this is not arbitrary info. It is useful info, otherwise I wouldn't waste my time to look for it and reflect it on OSM. Rules are there as an indication, and may sometimes be wrong Some of them must be changed.
You state the policy on names it clear. I'm afraid it isn't. There are a cou...
12017-07-10 07:44:59 UTCTomas Straupis Do NOT delete name:lt tags.
22017-07-11 09:11:34 UTCJay May Do NOT write in big letters (this shows aggressiveness) and do NOT delete my changes on Kareivių g. Thank you.
32017-07-11 12:11:45 UTCTomas Straupis Please read the manual and stop adding crap data to the map and I will not delete it because I have NEVER deleted any good data.
42017-07-11 16:07:08 UTCJay May You have deleted good data already a couple of times (useful border crossing info, names, and so on), and you thought nobody would discover it. Not only from me, but other users. Stop assuming you know everything better than everyone. Kareivių g. being widened, and such data is useful both for OSM ...
52017-07-11 16:21:22 UTCTomas Straupis I did try showing you your errors, but you bluntly ignored my guidance and continued random mapping. So I have no other option than to revert your changes.
Widening of Kareivių does not need new vectors as there will be no physical barriers. Once again, instead of complaining you should better rea...
12017-06-18 14:22:30 UTCNearo Hello Meijerry,

In this changeset you changed the French name of Maastricht, and the English name of Nijmegen. While these names were used in the past, both cities are currently referred to with their Dutch name. The French and English version are not in use anymore. Therefore I would like to kin...
22017-06-19 06:37:17 UTCJay May Hello Nearo.
As a French guy, I can tell you it is true Maëstricht is not used by the current generation, but I stilll know elderly people who use it.
About reverting changes: I am abroad right now & I can hardly access any computer. Could you please revert those changes for me this time?...
32017-06-19 21:14:59 UTCNearo Hey Jerry,

I just changed the name:fr tag of Maastricht to old_name:fr. Furthermore I found some old documents where Nijmegen is referred to as Nimeguen in English, so I did the same with the name:en tag there.

Kind regards,
Nearo
42017-06-20 04:22:55 UTCJay May Thanks :)
12017-06-05 10:31:36 UTCTomas Straupis Reverted random destruction of highway classification.
22017-06-05 15:22:41 UTCJay May This is no highway... I have friends living in that part of the city and I drove there 2 days ago. That street is not asphalted, bumpy, and not suitable for big traffic.
32017-06-05 16:21:11 UTCTomas Straupis Please study according to what principles ways are classified. Paved, not paved, bumpy or not has absolutely no influence on classification.
Good rule is to NOT edit what is already entered, because most of the time you're destroying good data and I could one day decide to revert full changesets r...
42017-06-05 18:22:59 UTCJay May Following your logic, Tomas, it means OSM is useless because you can't correct mistakes from previous users nor add forrest tracks for bikers, nor update road classification changes, etc. OSM's advantage is that if any change has been seen on spot, it can be made immediately. If some roads appear 30...
12017-06-05 10:27:33 UTCTomas Straupis Reverted random destruction of routing tag „noexit“.
22017-06-05 15:23:53 UTCJay May ?
32017-06-05 15:52:54 UTCJay May What is that "noexit" tag?
42017-06-05 16:22:45 UTCTomas Straupis If you do not know what that tag is and how it is used, then do NOT change its values.
52017-06-05 18:10:03 UTCJay May First of all: I'm not your child, so please speak nicer to me. I am pretty confident I'm older than you are.
Second: if I touched it not knowing what it is, it means I didn't do it on purpose.
Third: you didn't answer my question: what is that "noexit" tag?
12017-06-05 10:36:52 UTCTomas Straupis Reverted random incorrect classification.
22017-06-05 15:25:38 UTCJay May ? Incorrect classification of what?
12017-05-29 20:04:35 UTCRichRico Hi meijerry,
Thanks for contributing with osm, the names according with wikidata are different the names that you modified
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q743218
regards
22017-05-30 09:21:49 UTCJay May Are you referring to Janów nad Wilią in Polish and Янава in Belarusian?
Janów na Wilią is available in a couple of sources, among which wikimapia http://wikimapia.org/739189/pl/Jan%C3%B3w-nad-Wili%C4%85 and Янава is the traditional Belarusian name (https://be-tarask.wikip...
32017-05-30 12:11:05 UTCJay May Added "Janów" in alt_name:pl and "Ёнава" in alt_name:be.
For Belarusian names abroad, I will try to add always the traditional name as primary as that is the one that is used by Belarusian speakers (and not simple transliterations) :) Any additional questions, feel ...
12017-05-26 19:00:46 UTCRichRico Hi meijerry
Thanks for contributing with OSM,
I found a changeset in the name of the place:town Salacgrīva according Wikidata Q659665 the name is "name:pl=Salacgrīva" and not "name:pl=salis".
Maybe you have a another explanation for the name Salis.
Regards
22017-05-26 19:39:31 UTCJay May Hi! Sure. In this specific case it is wikipedia in Polish (though it is shown as a historical name). I know it sounds more Lithuanian than Polish, but well... you know how it is in PL/BY/LT/LV where Baltic names tend to be mixed with Slavic ones. As I know wikipedia is far from perfect, for other Po...
12017-05-10 19:35:40 UTCTomas Straupis Note that it is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE to use Google Maps or Google Street View for OSM. My advice is to revert all changes promptly and read terms of usage of any source you use BEFORE using them. In this case it would be good thing to read Google terms of service.
22017-05-12 07:18:37 UTCJay May Change reverted (it was only one field road ...)
32017-05-12 07:46:45 UTCJay May Btw, I read those Google terms. There is only one mention that may make you think it is a criminal offence (but this sentence is still ambiguous): "No incorporating Google software into other software. You will not incorporate any software provided as part of the Service into other software.&qu...
42017-05-12 08:28:05 UTCTomas Straupis This paragraph is regarding software. Regarding data Google has stated numerous times that it is not allowed to vectorise data from google sattelite imagery, google maps or google street view.
12017-05-05 09:15:01 UTCTomas Straupis Reverted some incorrect changes of stream names.
22017-05-05 13:55:11 UTCJay May Aaaaaaaaa. I wanted to fill them in Polish, not in the "name" tag".
Thanks.
32017-05-05 13:55:27 UTCJay May (I mean: in "name:pl" and not in "name")
12017-05-02 11:23:25 UTCJay May Hi Tomas, why do you keep deleting the border checkpoint limits? I enter them so it is clear where they are, and so do OSM users around the world.
Moreover, I had created a couple of lanes on the Lavoriškės checkpoint in order to ease border crossing for people ("All passports", &...
22017-05-02 11:30:41 UTCTomas Straupis Because these (and a lot of other) objects are not tagged according to OpenStreetMap wiki information. Randomly mapped data is useless and it only introduces unnecessary complexity.
As per mapping agreements in Lithuania lanes are NOT mapped as separate vectors bur rather as additional lane tags on...
32017-05-03 07:44:58 UTCJay May You could have written that earlier - we are people, aren't we? It is important to talk. I am new to openstreetmap and so far, absolutely no one in Latvia, Belarus, Russian or Poland made any problem out of my changes to any border checkpoint, road, name, etc.as the aim is to be as accurate as possi...
42017-05-03 08:35:59 UTCTomas Straupis As far as I know nobody in the countries you mention is doing hourly changeset review. I did see a number of errors outside Lithuania, so somebody sometime WILL notice them and do something about it.
By "randomly" I mean that you did not check the meaning/usage of tags in OSM wiki. You wo...
12017-04-24 11:03:29 UTCpoornibadrinath Hi meijerry,
I came across your edits and noticed while you added the town name, you have deleted the place=town tag itself. Please be careful when you are editing and ensure you are not deleting any valuable data while editing a feature. Thanks!
Best,
Poornima
22017-04-24 18:33:40 UTCJay May Hi Poornima!
Thanks for your note.
How can I see where is the mistake I made? I see only a zone, but not the place itself.
Kind regards
Jerry
32017-04-26 06:30:03 UTCpoornibadrinath Hi Jerry, This is the node for which you deleted the town tag. You can open the node in JOSM and check. http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/317360830
Poornima
42017-04-26 08:37:03 UTCJay May Wow, I hadn't even seen I deleted it! Thanks!
12017-04-25 16:16:14 UTCTomas Straupis Atstatytas teisingas (oficialus) gyvenvietės pavadinimas „Elzbietina“.
22017-04-25 18:07:49 UTCJay May O.K. Ačiū
12017-04-25 06:05:21 UTCTomas Straupis Reverted surface to asphalt, because Lithuanian road agency says that is the surface of this road.
22017-04-25 06:19:44 UTCJay May Hmmm. Strange. Last time I drove there it was a horrible dirt road. I will try to check it out one of the next times I drive to Poland.
12017-04-21 10:10:32 UTCTomas Straupis restored incorrectly deleted place=village on node 3093855128

http://osmhistory.appspot.com/changeset/47996337
22017-04-21 10:39:29 UTCJay May Thanks. My computer crashed when I was modifying that one ...
12017-04-21 07:07:59 UTCTomas Straupis „(rejon wileński)“ is definitely NOT part of the NAME in any language.
22017-04-21 09:47:05 UTCJay May Which name are you talking about? Sometimes when you add a name in a language it automatically adds some indications like "rejon wileński" and so on. Perhaps it is somehow linked with Wikipedia?
32017-04-21 10:07:18 UTCTomas Straupis I do not use iD. I just see that data had name:pl="Kiemiany (rejon wileński)"

http://osmhistory.appspot.com/changeset/47972121
42017-04-21 10:38:06 UTCJay May Hmmm... Strange. Anyway, as I told you - I remember it was made automatically. Perhaps to distinguish it from the village Кемяны on the other side of the border, which is also called "Kiemiany" in Polish. Technology mysteries :D
12017-04-21 07:13:19 UTCTomas Straupis Please do not change local names without knowledge on how they are used.
22017-04-21 09:45:37 UTCJay May Hi. I live in Vilnius, I went already 3 times to Varnikai and I know people in this institution: http://www.vstt.lt/VI/index.php. The official name is Varnikų pažintinis takas and not Varnikų gamtos takas. Moreover, please have a look by yourself:
http://www.15min.lt/pasaulis-kiseneje/naujiena/p...
32017-04-21 10:04:37 UTCTomas Straupis OK. Changed name to „Varnikų pažintinis takas“ on all objects (ways, pois and relation).
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