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51931183
by Jay May
@ 2017-09-11 08:15		12025-07-02 11:40buy_osmand
♦3		 peace [Jay May](https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Jay%20May), there is a validation warning raised of "Tourism node attached to highway", i will only be able to proceed with my edits only when this is resolved.. i am choosing not to ignore any validation errors, may i have your assistanc...
22025-07-02 12:06Jay May Hello. You are asking me about edits from 8 years ago ... and next 5 years ago, when I visited Singapore and Malaysia for the 1st time in 23 years ;) .... what exactly are you expecting from me?
161058924
by Jay May
@ 2025-01-06 13:52		12025-06-29 20:42David Kříž
♦7		 I dont think it is good to remove these border control points. Schengen means there are no physical personal controls, but that does not mean these points disappeared. They can be used any time temporaly and it is good to know a place where you are leaving one country and entering another. I think t...
22025-06-30 08:32Jay May Ahoj David! I respect your opinion, but allow me not to agree with you.
All over the Schengen zone, those points have been removed on OSM because they are not permanent (there is a notable exception: when driving from Šalčininkai towards Dieveniškės within Lithuanian territory, ther...
32025-06-30 08:59David Kříž
♦7		 Hello Jay, thanks for answer and respect. Also respect your opinion, but dont agree :-) However I could not find support or source for any one of these two different opinions, do you have some please?

But I have to oppose, it was not removed all over Schengen area, Croatia is in it for more than...
42025-06-30 10:06Jay May In the past, I added a lot of pins with the "information" tag to mark a former border checkpoint within Schengen areas. I haven't been maintaining that, because I really do not think it is relevant.
The "border control" tag isn't relevant within the Schengen zone. Yes...
167015174
by KvardeX OSM
@ 2025-05-31 14:38		12025-06-05 08:04Jay May Немедленно прекратите менять теги name=* на русские, особенно повторно добавлять старые советские названия, которые уже не актуальны!!! Это не по правилам и называетс...
22025-06-07 17:51KvardeX OSM
♦4		 «Я проживаю на этой территории с рождения, и местное население традиционно использует исторические названия. OpenStreetMap руководствуется принципом "как на местн...
165943035
by KvardeX OSM
@ 2025-05-07 14:54		12025-06-05 08:01Jay May Do NOT change the "name" tags to Russian. According to the rules in Kazakhstan, it must be in Kazakh. Russian language must be in name:ru.
165625674
by Вальдимар
@ 2025-04-30 09:20		12025-05-15 13:02Jay May Please always add wikidata, wikipedia in Kazakh (not in Ukrainian nor Russian nor other languages), as well as name:kk, name:ru tags (and others that appear on Wikipedia). Thanks!
22025-05-16 05:15Вальдимар
♦11		 Hello. It's easier for me to connect by the letters.
166185469
by Вальдимар
@ 2025-05-13 06:40		12025-05-15 11:39Jay May Please do NOT mark old Soviet administrative divisions as if they still existed. They are not relevant today and it will only add confusion on Kazakhstan's already messy map.
If you want to add those, add "was:" before any tags (was:name; was:administrative_division, etc.)
22025-05-16 05:16Вальдимар
♦11
ok i will try
165581244
by Вальдимар
@ 2025-04-29 08:53		12025-05-15 11:38Jay May Please do NOT mark old Soviet administrative divisions as if they still existed. They are not relevant today and it will only add confusion on Kazakhstan's already messy map.
If you want to add those, add "was:" before any tags (was:name; was:administrative_division, etc.)
22025-05-16 05:16Вальдимар
♦11		 ok i will try
164623504
by Jay May
@ 2025-04-07 08:58		12025-04-08 18:02user_5359
♦19,362		 Hello! Please have a look on your changes. What is the correct name (name;ce or name:ce)?
22025-04-09 12:24Jay May Hello MD Ooops; yes; of course name:ce
32025-04-09 12:25Jay May Corrected now :) Thanks for notifying me
160193653
by wizerbar
@ 2024-12-12 05:40		12025-01-07 19:15Jay May Why removing Ukrainian names?
22025-01-08 04:54wizerbar
♦7		 because user avinet_ua made an AUTOMATIC translation from Russian to Ukrainian without taking into account Belarusian names. avinet_ua was banned for vandalism.
48964971
by Jay May
@ 2017-05-25 07:21		12024-11-19 12:03dzamper
♦106		 Where did you get that translation from?
22024-11-19 13:17Jay May Hmmmm, after 7 years it is hard to say. But while I'm checking, I can see the correct translation is Grodziec Królowej
32024-11-21 10:20dzamper
♦106		 And what is the source of the name „Grodziec Królowej”? :) KSNG doesn't list a Polish name for Hradec Králové
140572263
by Jay May
@ 2023-08-30 07:01		12024-09-28 13:23Filip009
♦939		 Why bilingual name, when only 1% is in Poland? There is also name:pl.
22024-10-07 07:32Johlo6
♦8		 name = "Oravská priehrada - zbiornik Orawski" je nesprávne;
je to obsiahnuté v name:pl

Prečo vymýšľať dvojjazyčné názvy tam, kde to nie je treba?
32024-10-07 07:37Filip009
♦939		 No lebo malý kúsok zasahuje do Poľska. Ale tiež si myslím, že je to tu blbosť.
42024-10-07 08:17Jay May 1% is not 0% ;)
52024-10-07 08:47Filip009
♦939		 Okay, we can split it right at the border and you can add polish name to that 1%.
62024-10-07 09:33Jay May The usual rule is: multilingual rule as long as any lake, sea etc. touches another country. I see no point and no harm in leaving as it is ............
72024-10-07 13:51Johlo6
♦8		 Nuž, neviem, či v tomto prípade má význam oháňať sa všeobecným pravidlom. Otázka skôr znie, či to má nejaký zmysel, že je to takto po novom. Vyzerá to prinajmenšom čudne a nelogicky. Myslím, že aj pri d...
82024-10-07 15:32MiroJanosik
♦139		 I was looking for good practices on the wiki, on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names#Shared_boundary_features (about objects on country boundaries) there it says:

set name=* to both names, separated by a forward slash with spaces in between

For the Rhine river, this would be...
92024-10-07 15:33MiroJanosik
♦139		 >> (Nájde sa okrem autora zmeny ešte niekto, komu by tam ten poľský názov chýbal?)
>> translation: "Is there someone besides author who would be missing Polish name there?"

That probably depends on how many discussion participants do you ...
102024-10-07 20:12aceman444
♦2,567		 You even forgot to add name:sk tag, so you are not following "rules".
112024-10-07 20:19Jay May That is my point from the very beginning:
name=Oravská priehrada / zbiornik Orawski
name:sk=Oravská priehrada
name:pl=zbiornik Orawski

No need to make any drama here if someone forgot to add a tag, add it yourself ;)
122024-10-08 11:47Liqid1010
♦22		 I think it is very petty and unfriendly to stand by the two-language name. No one in Poland would ever even know that few meters of the dam are in Poland or would ever suggest that it is a polish reservoir. When you look at the map and find the polish name deep in Slovakia, basically any reasonable ...
132024-10-10 21:16Mirecnet
♦107		 Co je to za blbost a co sa tu vobec riesi? :)
Je to Oravska priehrada. PL variant tam v tagu je.
Mam to opravit?
142024-10-10 21:34Mirecnet
♦107		 Tie hranicne kamene na severnom brehu priehrady som zameriaval ja len nedavno. Oranska priehrada bola za Slovenskeho statu zamerana tak, aby do Polska vobec nezasahovala.
Pre pohranicne problemy s Polskom.
https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cesko-slovensko-po%C4%BEsk%C3%BD_spor_o_Oravu_a_Spi%C5%A...
152024-10-10 22:29Mirecnet
♦107		 Upravil som severny breh Oravskej priehrady podla OrtomozajkySR a pridal som viditelne hranicne kamene podla LIDARu. Prebehne este osobne zameranie GPS. Na Bingu je rozvodnenie zase trocha inak. Na zaklade obkreslenia brehu mozeme zodpovedne povedat, ze Oravska priehrada sa na Polskom uzemi nenach...
153424186
by Jay May
@ 2024-07-01 18:23		12024-07-08 05:59Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Construction ways are already real ways, so if you decide to change proposed to construction, you should also fix all routing with other existing ways. Now you've added tons of topology errors.
22024-07-08 06:24Jay May Hmmm ... which ones do you have in mind?
32024-07-08 07:28Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 All of them. There was a good reason why people with GIS skills did not change these from proposed. Now this region gives ~50 topology errors alone.
143150490
by LidaCity
@ 2023-10-26 08:28		12024-03-20 15:33Jay May Who told you the Eišiškės / Dociški local traffic border checkpoint is working as a normal one? Source?
22024-03-20 17:24LidaCity
♦33		 I did not understand your question - in this border checkpoint I corrected the "description" and clarified the "ref" for highways.
I looked at the history - no one entered or deleted this information.
I do not have information about the work of border checkpoint, so I do not e...
32024-03-20 18:57Jay May O.K. Thanks. I'm trying to figure out how to find current information about the local traffic border checkpoints to correct that accordingly
148313554
by Jay May
@ 2024-03-06 20:13		12024-03-07 08:38Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Hello, please do not change road classification (at least in Lithuanian side). It is tagged according to official classification. The fact that it is closed does NOT change the classification.
22024-03-07 09:22Jay May Classification doesn't mean anything here. Theory is one thing, practice is another one.Currently, those roads do not have any function, so tagging them as "primary" or "trunk" makes no sense. Such approach "strictly according to the theorical classification" leads...
32024-03-07 10:17Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 We have to maintain homogeneity of the whole Lithuania, not some specific small parts of it. Therefore we attach classification to official/government classification. This has been discussed and agreed long time ago by Lithuanian mapping community - otherwise classification is subjective: people con...
145252244
by Jay May
@ 2023-12-18 13:48		12024-02-22 21:55Pikse
♦199		 Once again you do the opposite of what write in changeset description. Instead of correcting the border you mess it up so that it longer matches the source given in source=* tag. Border segment way/592082053 in particular does not follow the stream.

Please make changes to any administrative bound...
22024-02-22 21:58Pikse
♦199		 I meant to write "so that it no longer matches the source given in source=* tag.".
32024-02-23 07:21Jay May Hello to you too.
1) What do you mean by "once again"? Where did you see me messing up borders? ...
2) Why would the DWG remove "Latvija — Eesti" if it is pretty logical to have a bilingual name=* tag in such a case?
42024-02-23 08:34Pikse
♦199		 I'm referring to at least three cases where you have edited Estonian border to deviate from the official border in the past:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62084029
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/102637842
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/48708810

For reference, h...
133596363
by Jay May
@ 2023-03-12 18:21		12023-03-13 03:51Kirill Belotserkovskiy
♦2		 Em… Can you please stop translate in Kazakh names of the mountains, that was given by first ascentionists of by the folks who discovered them. We extensively trying to recover original names, but it doesn‘t mean simply translate the ones that already exist and widely used.
22023-03-13 08:12Jay May You mean translating the names themselves (ex: chiornyy --> qara)?
Because if we are talking about proper names (like Богатырь or Korzeniewski), I do not change them. As soon as I find wikidata and wikipedia, I add them too
32023-03-13 10:13Kirill Belotserkovskiy
♦2		 That’s exactly what I mean.
When you translate, say, pik Uchitel into kazakh Mugalim shyny — you simply use wrong name for the mountain. Doesn’t help the fact, that we have different mountains called Molodyozhnaya (Youth in Russian) and Zhastar (Youth in Kazakh). People happy to u...
42023-03-13 11:07Jay May O.K. I'm happy to see native people at last reacting to my editions, because it is quite tiresome to do so and find all necessary sources in Kazakh. Sometimes, I find only one source stating the Kazakh name.
As soon as I find it, I always add Wikidata and Wikipedia so there is no doubt. Somet...
52023-03-14 16:29Kirill Belotserkovskiy
♦2		 I’m glad to make you happy, really. Can you discrad changes you did to the area? Because otherwise I’ll have to do it manually.

No, it won’t be ideal to do like in Belarus. Here we use two different languages. Most of the people, who will use OSM in the mountains used to speak R...
62023-03-20 14:33Jay May Actually, in Belarus, they also use 2 languages: Russian and Belarusian. Nevertheless, as the vast majority of roadsigns are in Belarusian, they recently switched all toponyms and road names to Belarusian (which is more logical from a frequent traveler point of view).
int_name in English? I'm ...
72024-01-22 12:59alan_mirth
♦1		 I agree with Kirill, these changes look like an impulsive act without any negotiations. We should revert the data and than discuss cause apparently there will be two different opinions here
82024-01-23 11:03Jay May Alan, it is not a matter of discussing, it is a matter of reflecting the reality on the spot!
There are tons of names people won't like in their own countries (ex.: Soviet names in Belarus). However, we, OSM mappers, are not here to reinstate old, pre-war names (or, in the case of Central Asi...
92024-01-23 15:13Kirill Belotserkovskiy
♦2		 Jay, I'm a local, and I don't have any nostalgy, believe me. You talking about realiy of the spot. We know it, and you don't simply because you are not living here. So the reality is, that no names were changed, and simple translating them in Kazakh is wrong.

Changing names should ...
143659135
by MACEDONICUS
@ 2023-11-05 17:12
Active block		12024-01-02 10:04Jay May Please do NOT put only Macedonian name in the name=* tag if the place is between various countries. This is a good practice from all around the world (especially in multilingual Europe), do NOT vandalize the map again. Thank you.

143659196
by MACEDONICUS
@ 2023-11-05 17:13
Active block		12024-01-02 10:02Jay May Please do NOT put only Macedonian name in the name=* tag if the place is between various countries. This is a good practice from all around the world, do NOT vandalize the map. Thank you.
138414399
by Dawid2849
@ 2023-07-12 09:39		12023-09-30 23:10Jay May Hello Dawid. I'd refrain from making such statements as it depends with whom you talk to. ;) Believe me, until I found it myself, I did not understand why some Polish people call this city Roztoka. I thought they were joking or exaggerating, but yes, it exists! The name Roztoka does exist, and ...
22023-10-01 09:11Dawid2849
♦709		 The problem is that most (not all) of us don't use this name anymore, we use German name - Rostock. On Wikipedia you can see, that some people write it as Roztoka or even Rostok (??), but it's not standarized and official polish name is still Rostock (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostock)...
141250473
by Jay May
@ 2023-09-14 10:19		12023-09-15 04:48Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Road classification is not influence by the fact if road is closed or not. You add access=no if required.
22023-09-15 08:11Jay May Hmmm, I look at that a bit differently: I reason taking in account what function does the road have at the moment. Currently, it has no transit function, so I don't see keeping the old classification as relevant.
Btw, do you know whether the local traffic border checkpoints (vietinio eismo PKP...
32023-09-15 08:40Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 These roads have their reference numbers which dictate their official classification (or vice versa depending on how you look at it). OSM road classification in Lithuania is a mapping of official classification. We strive to remove as much subjectivity as possible to avoid constant re-classification...
42023-09-15 08:51Jay May To be honest, I don't understand why Lithuania and Latvia keep so many border checkpoints opened in the current circumstances... Even Poland has left only 2 border checkpoints opened with Belarus: one for trucks and one for cars/buses.
I must admit am pretty angry at Belarusians for their pass...
52023-09-15 09:11Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 So we have a very similar view on this matter :-)
139445108
by Jay May
@ 2023-08-04 14:36		12023-08-20 12:22Mazda05
♦534		 Hello. According to the current local agreements as well as the highway=* description, there is no reason to downgrade highway=*. Legal prohibitions are marked with access=*
22023-08-20 17:10Jay May Hi.
Agreements on which side? Russian or Belarusian? On the Belarusian side, I know which agreements there are and they rarely have any issues with my editing.
Agreements aside: yes, theoretically road 15K-1201 and R124 are primary. However, if we follow blindly such agreements, some village or ci...
32023-08-20 17:52Mazda05
♦534		 Hello.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Uk:Вікіпроект_Україна/Класифікація_доріг


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Россия/Классификация_дорог_(голосование)


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Belarus:Кл...
42023-08-23 09:14Jay May You reverted the whole change, which is a mistake because you also reverted my access tags. Please go back to the former.
52023-08-23 12:53Mazda05
♦534		 What exactly is wrong?


At the moment, certain checkpoints in Ukraine (Pokrovka, Bachivsk, Novi Yarylovychi, Vystupovychi, Domanove) allow the return of Ukrainian citizens on a private basis in accordance with the order of the Cabinet of Ministers https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/188-2022-р\...
62023-08-23 12:59Mazda05
♦534		 I didn't revert changesets fully, including access=*, I had modified the objects selectively
140166765
by Jay May
@ 2023-08-21 07:50		12023-08-21 09:55aRGUM
♦6		 Hi,

Please expand им. to имени as per https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Abbreviations.

Thanks.
22023-08-21 10:00aRGUM
♦6		 Also, what is the source for this changeset? The name on the ground is completely different.
32023-08-21 10:01aRGUM
♦6		 Oh, just saw: the name was always like this :P Sorry
42023-08-21 10:05Jay May :D :D :D No problem.
Btw, I always expand abbreviations. In the past, there were tons of places or names in Kazakhstan which abbreviations that are not clear even for Russian speakers, and I sometimes spent 30min. to find what does each abbreviation mean. I even sometimes put notes "do NOT use...
140166239
by Jay May
@ 2023-08-21 07:39		12023-08-21 09:53aRGUM
♦6		 HI, thanks for the changeset.

Unfortunately, the Kazakh title that you put, "Жұмыс аралы", isn't exactly verifiable. In 2GIS, for example, it is called Рабочий аралы.

See also the Акуленок шығанағы nearby and lots of streets that just take t...
22023-08-21 10:03Jay May Hi,
Perhaps one of those names should be added as "alt_name" and "alt_name:kk" in such case?
I noticed Kazakh users don't seem to agree between themselves in such cases... How come?

32023-08-21 10:16aRGUM
♦6		 You should probably check in to the OSM_KZ Telegram channel (https://t.me/osm_kz) if you're going to do massive changes like this, if you haven't already.
137635053
by Jay May
@ 2023-06-22 08:05		12023-06-25 17:13mueschel
♦6,565		 Hi,
you added several "name:t" tags - which language was that supposed to be?
22023-06-25 20:26Jay May Hi,
Those 4 tags in 2 places were typos (too quickly written). They were supposed to be name:tt.
Already corrected. Thanks for highlighting this
121111196
by Anrijs Terauds
@ 2022-05-17 17:32		12023-06-23 08:55Jay May Hello Andrijs,
Has the "friendship" kurgan disappeared physically from here?
22023-06-23 08:59Jay May I am asking, because if it has been demolished, we still need to mention it was here before (with the tags "old_name:*" and "was:..."
32023-06-26 15:27Anrijs Terauds
♦41		 That spot of shame is gone for good. There is nothing to see. Likewise we are not marking any of the demolished objects from occupation times.
136130766
by Jay May
@ 2023-05-15 14:52		12023-06-03 11:45Yunkers
♦369		 Hello,
I don't think those changes are correct. Temporal changes should not affect classification of roads, access was enough to reflect that the road is closed. Additionally a lot of segments were left as primary on this and other similiar changes, so the final result is quite messy.
Also, p...
22023-06-05 11:50Jay May Cześć. Widzę, że jesteś z Polski, to odpiszę po polsku.
Zbyt często (widzę takie zjawisko u siebie na Litwie lub np. w Estonii; jak i wcześniej na Białorusi) klasyfikacja dróg na OSM odpowiada teorii (czyli klasyfikacji administracyjnej) zamiast faktycznej funkcji. Dochodzi w&oacut...
32023-06-06 07:17Yunkers
♦369		 Dzięki za odpowiedź, jednak nie odniosłeś się do części moich zastrzeżeń. Dlaczego wszystkie Twoje zmiany mają te same, niewiele mówiące opisy. Osm to projekt społeczny, nie uważasz, że należałoby lepiej opisać co się robi i dlaczego? Zwłaszcza kiedy są dość istotne zmia...
42023-06-07 17:01Mateusz Konieczny
♦7,627		 Co do powielania klasyfikacji urzędniczej: oczywiście klasyfikacja nie pasująca do rzeczywistej istotności jest do olania.

Ale teraz jest jeszcze mniej spójnie. A duże zmiany tego typu warto wcześniej przedyskutować na https://community.openstreetmap.org/ w sekcji Polskiej.

A gdy...
52023-06-07 21:32maraf24
♦5,256		 "Obecnie na poważnie myślę o tym, żeby obszar tych przejść granicznych oznaczyć jako landuse=military, "

Spore zmiany planujesz, a tu taki detal jak parkingi nadal są bez access=no :)
129968245
by Jay May
@ 2022-12-11 16:35		12023-05-09 20:06stan_
♦2		 Is there any source for the renaming of the railway station from "Оазис" to "Тәжен"? In the official KTŽ documents I found it still appears as "Oazis"
22023-05-10 06:54Jay May Hello. This would mean someone needs to check that on the spot. I did this change around 5 months ago, I don't recall right now how I found the railway station name
135058443
by Jay May
@ 2023-04-18 12:49		12023-04-25 10:40mueschel
♦6,565		 Hi,
please check the name tags: "name:b" is not a valid language.
22023-04-25 14:30Jay May Done.
Thanks for highlighting this slight mistake ;) Sometimes I try to be too fast :)
133249730
by Jay May
@ 2023-03-03 11:34		12023-04-20 12:19ivanbranco
♦2,695		 Hi Jay May,

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/15552249

this is a hamlet or a village?
22023-04-20 14:34Jay May Hello Ivan,
Corrected. Thanks for highlighting this issue
It would be good to draw the missing streets
134071154
by stalker_2033
@ 2023-03-24 14:33		12023-03-27 11:51Jay May Зачем поменяете name=* тег на русский язык если уже есть на name:ru?
name=* должен быть как на месте есть. А на месте видно "Петропавл" a не "Петропавловск"
22023-03-27 11:54Jay May Таксамо - "Өскемен" na name должен быть. "Усть-Каменогорск" на name:ru.
132067601
by Tomas Straupis
@ 2023-02-04 08:47		12023-02-15 07:09Jay May Why making this a military zone?
22023-02-15 07:20Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Customs. Might be commercial. But definitely not a "meadow".
32023-02-15 08:16Jay May AFAIK, military areas are used only if no one from outside can get in. Here, you have Lithuanian and Polish customs officers but they are not even stopping everyone. Usually, they stop some trucks.
42023-02-15 08:25Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Well, we can change it to commercial or even residential then. It must be some non natural landuse.
52023-02-15 10:15Jay May Residential would be inaccurate. If I recall well, there is one shop over there (I would have to drive through again to re-check, but it won't happen until the beginning of March).
AFAIK, all that zone is scheduled to be remade entirely due to the future motorway construction
62023-02-15 10:23Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 I've changed it to commercial. Actually all commercial is also residential from GIS perspective, the difference in OSM is vague. In official LT data this area is residential.
72023-02-15 12:20Jay May Were they thinking about making a new village at the border, so close to the future Via Baltica motorway/expressway? :D :D :D
82023-02-15 14:26Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Well :-) According to usual GIS landuse rules, residential does not necessarily mean where people live. Kindergardens, schools, churches, personal gardens, small town parks are all "residential", so are abandoned residential territories.
130454125
by Dawid2849
@ 2022-12-24 12:05		12023-01-18 12:06Jay May Czołem. Wydaje mi się, że trzeba jednak zmienić relację Via Baltica ze względu na budowę S61. Nie powinna ona jeździć przez Białystok
130421868
by Jay May
@ 2022-12-23 13:32		12022-12-26 00:47one_half_3544
♦42		 mountain_pass=yes is not natural=peak, please don't vandalise the map
22022-12-27 08:25Jay May Not vandalizing anything! ...
Moreover, if you see a mistake, it would be good to show me the place itself and not the changeset.
32022-12-27 10:17one_half_3544
♦42		 I'm commenting on that changeset that contains the issues.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5605661185 for example
42022-12-28 15:13Jay May Hmmm... I thought it was a matter of old-style tagging vs. new-style tagging. Now I understand. If you see such mistakes on my edits elsewhere, could you please revert these specific tags?
52022-12-30 23:25one_half_3544
♦42		 I always fix problems whenever I can, but I can't check all your edits.

Seems like 'шыңы' means peak in Kyrgyz, you could fix your changes in, e.g.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5605661197
130296348
by Jay May
@ 2022-12-20 15:44		12022-12-23 22:15one_half_3544
♦42		 Why do add these automatic translations?

If there is no name in a certain language for a certain object, just skip it, no need to clutter the database with something that could be done automatically.
22022-12-27 08:23Jay May Hello. Who told you these are automatic translations?... Which name(s) are you referring to ?
Otherwise, it is still better to have them than to leave everything solely in the 2nd language of the country...
32022-12-27 10:16one_half_3544
♦42		 You have changed the only node in this changeset, I'm referring to it, of course.

General rule of thumb is that translating a local name is pretty useless as if someone asks, for example, where 'nomads peak' is, he won't be understood.

Translation is meaningful if a certai...
42022-12-27 10:19one_half_3544
♦42		 And yes, why do you remove the Russian name from the name?
It is the official language according to the consitution https://cbd-minjust-gov-kg.translate.goog/act/view/ru-ru/112215?cl=ru-ru&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
52022-12-28 15:10Jay May There are several countries with various official languages. They usually choose one language on OSM. Look at India (they chose English), at Belarus (they recently switched from Russian to Belarusian), etc.
62022-12-28 15:11Jay May Btw, I do not know how to bot-add anything ;) I am not an IT guy
72022-12-29 07:08pfg21
♦128		 если вы не знаете, то зачем меняете ??
на каком основании производится изменение языка name ??
где было обсуждение с последующим консенсусом ??
82022-12-29 07:35solenoid jam
♦174		 Jay May
What is the source of the name:en ?
92022-12-30 23:06one_half_3544
♦42		 So where is the decision about name in Kyrgyzstan?

And then, why do you fill name= with two languages on in China? https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/14976586
130490189
by Jay May
@ 2022-12-25 18:07		12022-12-26 00:55one_half_3544
♦42		 Again, why do you add these automatic translations? What does 'Climbing the ridge, climbing the ridge' mean?

Please stop bot edits, do something useful instead.
22022-12-27 08:24Jay May Don't ask me, ask the original author of the previous changes what they meant in Russian ... and why they put that in the "name" tags instead of "Description".
32022-12-27 10:09one_half_3544
♦42		 The Russian description is fine and meaningful. (Whether we should have route description in the map db is another thing)

If you don't understand Russian, why do you try to translate it? Adding automatic translations just clutters the database.
42022-12-27 10:32one_half_3544
♦42		 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3541550056)

So, apparently you use google translate.
But even it provides the transliteration of the Russian entry: Pod"yem na greben', dvizheniye po grebnyu. Did it not occur to you that if the second part is different, it shouldn't be translat...
52022-12-28 15:07Jay May 1) I am not trying to wipe out Russian and I did not delete any Russian description nor name. Please refrain from accusing me of stuff I never said nor did. I put Russian names in name:ru, where they belong out of the territory of the Russian Federation. I do not delete them and what I'm doing ...
62022-12-30 23:17one_half_3544
♦42		 1. You wipe it from name= tag. And Russian is an offical language of the Kyrgyz Republic according to the constitution.
2. Better to put it in description:en, description:ru, etc..
3. So, what did you study before changing the name for the Obelisk https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2117818681? It ...
129961742
by mueschel
@ 2022-12-11 12:53		12022-12-11 17:43Jay May Oho ... If I did the whole border line with this mistake, it's going to take me quite a bit of time ...............
22022-12-11 17:58Jay May Ahhh, you already did that! Thanks a loooot
129788730
by Jay May
@ 2022-12-06 15:58		12022-12-11 10:30mueschel
♦6,565		 Hi,
the language code 'dk' doesn't exist. I guess you mean Danish, this would be 'da'. Could you check / fix that?
22022-12-11 12:09Jay May Hello. Thanks for highlighting this. As I can't see where I made that mistake, could you fix that for me, please?
Thanks a bunch!
32022-12-11 12:54mueschel
♦6,565		 Here you are:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/129961742
129430658
by ihareg
@ 2022-11-27 11:24		12022-11-28 10:45tbicr
♦67		 hey, you changed border of Belarus and Ukraine, now some parts looks Ukranian on Belarus part, for example, https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/783610147 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25060636

can you check your changes correct?
22022-11-29 07:16Jay May Hello: I do not understand why Ihareg changed the part around road R36. These changes should be reverted. There are 2 places where before the war you could drive legally through Ukrainian territory. One of these parts is even on Mapillary pics. Can you revert at least this part, please?
128909553
by Jay May
@ 2022-11-14 21:02		12022-11-15 11:26Mazda05
♦534		 Добрый день. Для каких целей или на основании чего вы изменили класс дорог highway=* на highway=service в пунктах пропуска и между ними? Обсуждалось ли это в сообществе или это ...
22022-11-15 14:19Jay May Oh, O.K. So you mean it was sufficient for me to add the "access=no" tag?
32022-11-16 16:50Mazda05
♦534		 If you wanted to mark only the legal permissions/restrictions, then — access=* without changing highway=*
42022-11-17 08:12Jay May I see. In reality, I changed the highway tag because some people (as myself) plan their trips also "visually". It is a way of marking clearly, that currently it is not possible to travel that way and not to even try. Especially given the fact some of these roads are destroyed.
I am wonder...
52022-11-19 14:51Mazda05
♦534		 «I am wondering if we shouldn't mark temporarily those border checkpoints as "landuse=military"» No, in Ukraine: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Russian–Ukrainian_war. Perhaps in Russia and in Belarus
62022-11-19 14:55Mazda05
♦534		 «I see. In reality, I changed the highway tag because some people (as myself) plan their trips also "visually". It is a way of marking clearly, that currently it is not possible to travel that way and not to even try. Especially given the fact some of these roads are destroyed.»...
72022-11-19 14:55Mazda05
♦534		 «I see. In reality, I changed the highway tag because some people (as myself) plan their trips also "visually". It is a way of marking clearly, that currently it is not possible to travel that way and not to even try. Especially given the fact some of these roads are destroyed.»...
127762679
by Jay May
@ 2022-10-19 07:13		12022-10-19 08:54slucek
♦16		 Зачем править Р95? Она уже больше года асфальтирована
22022-10-19 13:19Jay May Привет. Я теперь увидел, что они асфальтировали часть эти дороги, но если смотреть по Maxar, ещё осталось чють-чють без асфальта.
Наверно ты там проехал недавно?
32022-10-19 15:48slucek
♦16		 Да, вся дорога полностью в асфальте
42022-10-22 07:14Jay May Ясно. Тогда извиняюсь
126948156
by Jay May
@ 2022-10-03 16:35		12022-10-10 17:52Fred73000
♦223		 Hi,

a waterway relation is not a collection of all elements of a river (see wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:waterway) : you should not put water areas (waterbody) in the relation.

But the purpose of a waterway relation is to put in only one element all the informations about ...
22022-10-11 08:38Jay May Hello,

If I have to be honest with you, after reading what you sent me, I can't understand what I did wrong. I didn't copy any other tags than the name=* tags for water areas
32022-10-11 18:55Fred73000
♦223		 the important is the first part "A waterway relation is a collection of all unclosed ways of a unique watercourse (the ways with tags waterway=*). The purpose is to have only one element with all common informations about this watercourse (name in different languages, wikidata, wikipedia, ref, ...
42022-10-11 19:03Fred73000
♦223		 An example : look at these relation https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/50793, look at how many names in the relation, how many members in the relation. A few month ago, some names were only on some ways, not on all, not in the relation. Better to have all the names in one element, better because...
125688103
by tbicr
@ 2022-09-02 09:06		12022-09-03 16:39Bru7ax
♦2		 {{vote|yes}} Я за это предложение (OpenStreetMap) --~~~~
22022-09-03 16:39Bru7ax
♦2		 {{vote|yes}} Я за это предложение (OpenStreetMap_Pinsk) --~~~~
32022-09-04 08:34g_borshchenko
♦1		 {{vote|no}} Я за это предложение (geobor) --~~~~
42022-09-16 00:05tbicr
♦67		 галасаваньне пачалося, тут дэталювая інструкцыя па галасаваньні https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Be:Belarus_language_issues/Migration_proposal#%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B5, галасы што былі ...
52022-09-16 00:06tbicr
♦67		 I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. прапанова даволі дэталёвая, вялікая колькасьць аб'ектаў маюць name:be і name:ru, падрыхтаваны скрыпт для аўтаматычнае міграцыі (tbicr) --Tbicr (talk) 0...
62022-09-16 00:25dez
♦1		 I approve this proposal. (dez) --Dez (talk) 00:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
72022-09-16 03:52LLlypuk82
♦104		 I approve this proposal. Мяне цалкам задавальняюць аргумэнты ў прапанове (LLlypuk82) --LLlypuk82 (talk) 03:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
82022-09-16 04:56vng_me
♦124		 {{vote|yes}} (vng_me) --~~~~
92022-09-16 04:58vng_me
♦124		 approve this proposal. (vng_me) --Vng me (talk) 04:55, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
102022-09-16 05:41crazy_luke
♦1		 I approve this proposal. (crazy_luke) --Crazy luke (talk) 05:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
112022-09-16 05:46Prusaker
♦141		 {{vote|yes}} Поддерживаю (Prusaker)
122022-09-16 06:55Refl_ex
♦16		 {{vote|yes}} (Refl_ex)
132022-09-16 07:02Okh Ree Mook
♦2		 {{vote|no}} Не люблю трасянку (Okhreemook) --~~~~
142022-09-16 07:30slucek
♦16		 {{vote|yes}} (Slucek)
152022-09-16 07:47bulba
♦2		 {{vote|yes}} (bulba)
162022-09-16 07:51WolfMeister-TL
♦1		 I approve this proposal. (amsnk) --WolfMeister (talk) 07:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
172022-09-16 07:52bad_mapper
♦18		 {{vote|yes}} Полностью поддерживаю (bad_mapper)
182022-09-16 07:53Rewinteer
♦12		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымліваю (Rewinteer) --Rewinteer (talk) 07:51, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
192022-09-16 08:13Кірыла
♦19		 Падтрымліваю
202022-09-16 08:16Ugzuzg
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} (Ugzuzg) --[[User:Ugzuzg|Ugzuzg]] ([[User talk:Ugzuzg|talk]]) 08:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
212022-09-16 08:43Latentor
♦1		 I approve this proposal. (Latentor) --Latentor (talk) 08:40, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
222022-09-16 10:01Virkom
♦2		 {{vote|no}} Белорусский язык используют 3 процента населения (и то, извращенно-змагарский). Всем остальным - одно неудобство.
232022-09-16 10:13soya666
♦5		 I approve this proposal. Толькі за. Усё ж на тэрыторыі Беларусі па змаўчанні павінна адлюстроўвацца беларуская мова. Калі неабходна адлюстраваць мапу на іншай мове, то для гэт...
242022-09-16 11:05skogvokter
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Цалкам падтрымліваю. (skogvokter) --~~~~
252022-09-16 11:18Mixon
♦5		 I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Падтрымліваю (Mixon) --Mixon (talk) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
262022-09-16 12:22Jyryq
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрыліваю
272022-09-16 12:23LidaCity
♦33		 {{vote|no}} Хаця я падтрымліваю беларускую мову, і заўсёды запісваю name:be. Але лічу - што час яшчэ не прыйшоў, нажаль. Я б пачакаў ''[censored]''. (LidaCity) --~~~~
282022-09-16 13:02alies'
♦16		 {{vote|yes}} Так (alies')
292022-09-16 13:09alex73
♦10		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю (alex73)
302022-09-16 13:48basilisk
♦15		 {{vote|no}} Менять на менее популярный язык? Странная идея (basilisk) --~~~~
312022-09-16 18:37Sieva
♦6		 {{vote|yes}} Так мусіла быць заўжды.
322022-09-16 18:49ChehVlad
♦5		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрыліваю
332022-09-16 18:50ANRI
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю! (ANRI) --~~~~
342022-09-16 18:54vadiblis
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю. Абавязкова трэба. (vadiblis) --~~~~
352022-09-16 19:09Markmaxs
♦1		 Вельмi добрая iдэя
362022-09-16 19:09ps0m
♦1		 Падтрымліваю, зразумела, што ў Беларусі павінны быць па-беларуску!
372022-09-16 20:00artagonist
♦4		 Падтрымліваю. Слушная прапанова. У візуальнай прасторы дарожныя знакі і населеныя пункы, назвы вуліцаў афармляюцца па-беларуску.
382022-09-16 20:16Tutby
♦8		 Great idea! I approve the proposal. Belarus forever!
392022-09-16 20:23Hvedar
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} мова <3 (hvedar) --~~~~
402022-09-16 23:56shrddr
♦26		 I approve this proposal
412022-09-17 03:03Loricenaya
♦1		 Вельмi добрая iдэя . Я за.
422022-09-17 04:09Artist-by
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Падрымліваю! (Artist-by) --~~~~
432022-09-17 06:26lllllllIIIIIllll
♦4		 Падтрымліваю
442022-09-17 08:12Андрей Кирилов
♦10		 {{vote|yes}} Поддерживаю (Андрей Кирилов) --[[User:Andrey K|Andrey K]] ([[User talk:Andrey K|talk]]) 08:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
452022-09-17 09:22favask
♦2		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымлiваю (favask)
462022-09-17 11:36jekhor
♦2		 I approve this proposal. Прыйшоў час (jekhor) --Jekhor (talk) 08:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
472022-09-17 12:11danvyr
♦55		 {{vote|yes}} То трэба зрабіць (danvyr) --Danvyr (talk) 07:18, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
482022-09-17 12:55iglezz
♦2		 {{vote|yes}} (iglezz)
492022-09-17 16:26KSM86
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю (KSM86)
502022-09-17 17:40lllllllIIIIIllll
♦4		 {{vote|yes}} I approve this proposal.Падтрымлiваю (lllllllIIIIIllll) --LllllllIIIIIllll (talk) 06:30, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
512022-09-17 17:57Veska
♦3		 Падтрымлiваю
522022-09-17 19:07Sync737
♦2		 {{vote|no}} (Sync737)
532022-09-17 23:56meequz
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Заўсёды не разумеў, чаму па дэфолце мае быць руская мова (meequz) --[[User:Meequz|Meequz]] ([[User talk:Meequz|talk]]) 19:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
542022-09-18 05:56Yaugen
♦9		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымліваю --Yaugen (talk) --Bigggie (talk) 09:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
552022-09-18 05:58Yaugen
♦9		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю --[[User:Yaugen|Yaugen]] ([[User talk:Bigggie|talk]]) --[[User:Bigggie|Bigggie]] ([[User talk:Bigggie|talk]]) 09:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
562022-09-18 06:24Bar5
♦1		 I oppose this proposal. Не смотря на то, что некоторые объекты (населенные пункты, улицы, остановки) на знаках подписаны на белорусском, в речи 99% населения все равно называет и...
572022-09-18 07:27paleshukgeo
♦8		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю (paleshukgeo)
582022-09-18 08:16Reinkarnator
♦2		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымліваю (Reinkarnator) 19:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
592022-09-18 09:23DmitriyA
♦3		 {{vote|yes}} Беларусь па-беларуску (DAPDarkneSS) --~~~~
602022-09-18 10:20imprudance
♦1		 Добрый день. А как формировался список голосующих? https://github.com/tbicr/osm-name-migrate/blob/main/belarus_active_users.csv У меня больше правок будет чем у пользователей в конце списка.
612022-09-18 10:50UI-1
♦3		 Гэта трэба было зрабіць даўно! It should have been done a long time ago! (Lex_from_Belarus) --Lex from Belarus (talk) 10:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
622022-09-18 11:0340°
♦13		 Считаю преждевременным выполнять такое изменение. Не сложились еще условия. Надо еще обсуждать и изучать этот вопрос.
632022-09-18 11:47Yury Yatsynovich
♦114		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымліваю прапанову (Yury Yatsynovich) --Yury Yatsynovich (talk) 00:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
642022-09-18 12:03Yury Yatsynovich
♦114		 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/125658025
652022-09-18 12:44Nick Fiury
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю! (Nick Fiury)
662022-09-18 15:46zmeuk
♦3		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымліваю! (zmeuk) --zmeuk (talk) 19:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
672022-09-19 06:13KSM86
♦1		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымліваю. (KSM86) --KSM86 (talk) 16:22, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
682022-09-19 08:12Aliaksandr_96
♦2		 I approve this proposal. Катэгарычна за (shhhh_96) --shhhh_96 (talk) 19:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
692022-09-19 08:48Tutby
♦8		 {{vote|yes}} Great idea! I approve the proposal. Belarus forever! (Tutby)
702022-09-19 09:59Антон-1983
♦31		 I oppose this proposal. Категорически против. Карта должна быть удобна и понятна пользователям. А сейчас белорусским языком владеет менее 5% населения. Вижу за бел.мову голосу...
712022-09-19 10:29YaVit
♦1		 Падтрымаю. Спачатку будзе вельмi незручна, асаблiва у пошуку, бо i зараз павiнен набiраць ангельску "i" на кампутары, а са смартфона...
722022-09-19 12:48victogan
♦3		 Толькі за
732022-09-19 12:49victogan
♦3		 I approve this proposal. Так (Victogan) --Victogan (talk) 11:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
742022-09-19 14:22radioxoma
♦2		 {{vote|no}} Асноўнай мовай павінна быць афіцыйная дзяржаўная мова з максімальнай колькасцю носьбітаў, т.е. русский язык. Tag {{Key|name}} is a complete mistake as it misleads users and programs and must not be...
752022-09-19 14:40Rising13
♦2		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю! Няхай будзе па-беларуску. (Rising13) --[[User:Rising13|Rising13]] ([[User talk:Rising13|talk]]) 14:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
762022-09-19 14:54pooh79
♦11		 {{vote|no}} Против (pooh79)
772022-09-19 14:56Barracud
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Усімі нагамі ЗА! (Barracud)
782022-09-19 16:04Hutouski
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю! (hutouski)
792022-09-19 17:20Tutby
♦8		 {{vote|yes}} Па-беларуску!!! Каментар (Tut.by)
802022-09-19 18:43g_borshchenko
♦1		 {{vote|no}} Я против предложения (geobor)
812022-09-19 20:14ihareg
♦9		 I approve this proposal.Няхай будзе. (Ihareg)
822022-09-19 22:24arcturusss
♦18		 {{vote|yes}} + (arcturusss)
832022-09-20 07:06Veska
♦3		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымліваю! (veska)
842022-09-20 08:08kakub
♦1		 {{vote|no}} (kakub)
852022-09-20 08:26Yaroha
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} + (Yaroha)
862022-09-20 09:02celinedione
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымлiваю (celinedione)
872022-09-20 13:32Ulad-ka
♦1		 Я падтрымліваю прапанову мець беларускую мову за асноўны інструмант для назваў зямлі беларускай. Нельга называць ў Беларусі рэку Заходнюю Дзвіну "Западной Двин...
882022-09-20 14:41Vitaly Zdanevich
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} Падтрымлiваю (vitaly-zdanevich)
892022-09-21 05:38solenoid jam
♦174		 {{vote|no}} Страница "Belarus language issues/Migration proposal" не переведена на тот язык, использование которого предложено изменить. Это естественным образом создаёт ограничение ...
902022-09-21 06:36Jay May {{vote|yes}} I approve this proposal.Каментар (Jay May) -- Нет ничего более ужасного, чем ввести туриста в заблуждение (даже из России): поехать в Беларусь, посетить города, где топонимы н...
912022-09-21 06:48Георгий Ильин
♦3		 {{vote|yes}} I approve this proposal.(Георгий Ильин) -- Ну не могу в это поверить! )))) Белорусские мапперы наконец-то стали разумными! Единственное, что не стоит переводить, так это чис...
922022-09-21 08:33Ambush
♦48		 I approve this proposal. Наконец-то пятилетняя эпопея подходит к концу (Ambush) --Ambush (talk) 16:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/109862473
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/109862585#map=18/53.96724/27.68838
http...
932022-09-21 11:06AndreiDrang
♦3		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымліваю (AndreiDrang) --AndreiDrang (talk) 11:03, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
942022-09-22 14:56frost56k
♦3		 I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Я падтрымліваю гэтыя змены (Frost56k)
952022-09-22 16:57Andrei14
♦1		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымлiваю (Andrei14)
962022-09-22 22:11RSammy
♦1		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымлiваю таксама (RSammy)
972022-09-23 07:23uuspaulik
♦1		 I approve this proposal. Maie ż vy kotki (uuspaulik)
982022-09-23 09:59griba
♦6		 I approve this proposal. Цалкам падтрымліваю (griba) --Griba (talk) 08:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
992022-09-24 09:48Aurimas Fišeras
♦47		 I approve this proposal. (Aurimas Fišeras) --Aurimas (talk) 08:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
1002022-09-24 11:42Claudius Henrichs
♦214		 I approve this proposal. (Claudius Henrichs) --Claudius (talk) 11:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
1012022-09-27 10:08bes_internal
♦1		 {{vote|yes}} (bes_internal) --[[User:Bes internal|Bes internal]] ([[User talk:Bes internal|talk]]) 10:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
1022022-09-27 14:07dunkaist
♦14		 {{vote|yes}} Нарэшце (dunkaist) -- [[User:Dunkaist|Dunkaist]] ([[User talk:Dunkaist|talk]]) 14:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
1032022-09-29 16:47Spine
♦1		 ИМХО, большинство людей, там где я проживаю, использует русский язык. Если придерживаться идеологиии "Рисую то, что вижу" то в моём городе (Орша) все таблички с ...
1042022-09-29 20:38Korney San
♦2		 {{vote|yes}} I approve this proposal (Korney San) --[[User:Korney San|Korney San]] ([[User talk:Korney San|talk]]) 10:38, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
У маём горадзе (Гомель) амаль усе шыльды назваў вуліц на беларускай мове, таблічкі н...
1052022-09-30 08:53semigradsky
♦11		 I approve this proposal. Падтрымлiваю (semigradsky) --semigradsky
1062022-10-01 09:37Bru7ax
♦2		 {{vote|no}} Япротив
(OpenStreetMap_Pinsk) --~~~~
1072022-10-01 14:53Aleksey&K
♦1		 {{vote|no}} Я против. (Aleksey&K)
1082022-10-01 21:26porych
♦2		 {{vote|yes}} цалкам падтрымліваю (porych)
1092022-10-01 22:14DrLevsey
♦1		 {{vote|no}}Против. Карты используются для удобства, а не по политическим мотивам. Поэтому удобнее будет пользоваться на том языке, на котором разговаривают 95% белорусов ...
1102022-10-01 23:42Monotheist
♦2		 I approve this proposal. затянули с этим вопросом (Monotheist) --Monotheist (talk) 23:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
1112022-10-02 07:16Smollett
♦12		 I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. Якія-то выбарочные цэнзы для галасавання. Што за 3 розныя месяцы ў годзе? Я супраць. (Smollett) Smollett (talk) 19:06, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
1122022-10-02 08:34Murcik
♦29		 I oppose this proposal. Вопрос полноты и качества. Какие-то слои карты (населенные пункты, улицы), будут на белорусском, а какие-то (многие POI) на русском или на поспешно изготов...
1132022-10-03 11:08cranik
♦2		 I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Цалкам падтрымліваю, павінна быць дзяржаўная мова на картах. Разумею што цяжка выходзіць з зоны камфорту некаторым карыстальнікам, але б...
1142022-10-03 11:43Alexey_ND
♦17		 I oppose this proposal.(Alexey_ND) Совершенно не приемлемо. Большинство людей использует русский язык. Карта как и книги пишется/рисуется для пользователей, и с учетом их интерес...
1152022-10-03 13:20Yury Yatsynovich
♦114		 "И еще, я вполне имею право просто не знать белорусский язык, не уметь писать... Как считаете, это стать проблемой?" -- никакой проблемы: заполняйте тэги name:ru, а name ...
1162022-10-03 13:29danvyr
♦55		 Если на территории Беларуси организации не могут ответить на белоруском или русском, то они нарушают закон и дискриминируют по языку. Потому два языка в конституци...
1172022-10-04 11:09MaximusAD
♦5		 I approve this proposal. В моём навигаторе некоторые места имеют два названия - на русском и английском. И поиск их выдаёт в зависимости от того каким языком пользуешься. Не ви...
1182022-10-04 23:46avinet_ua
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1192022-10-05 05:28urli_by
♦2		 I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Падтрымліваю. (urli_by)
1202022-10-05 14:41tax11
♦1		 I approve this proposal. Дзіўнае пытанне. Ці праводзяць такія галасавынні нашы суседзі? Ці мо яшчэ хто? У Беларусі павінна быць беларуская мова без аніякіх пытанняў. (tax11)
1212022-10-06 08:55Bravo_two_zer0
♦11		 I approve this proposal.
1222022-10-07 09:12Rico557
♦140		 {{vote|yes}} I approve this proposal. Плюсую (Rico557)
1232022-10-07 11:56muchichka_s
♦284		 {{vote|yes}} I approve this proposal
1242022-10-07 15:17matsumi
♦23		 Падтрымліваю (matsumi)
1252022-10-07 17:26mixdm
♦1		 I oppose this proposal. Абсолютно не соответствующее реальности начинание, оторванное от сложившейся ситуации с использованием белорусского языка в нашей стране. "Насиль...
1262022-10-08 07:58tbicr
♦67		 галасаваньне скончана, тут можна знайсьці інфармацыю ці быў голас залічаны і наступныя крокі: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Be:Belarus_language_issues/Migration_proposal#%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0...
120874101
by Jay May
@ 2022-05-12 08:03		12022-06-11 00:15rene78
♦445		 "...closed for motor vehicles." And for pedestrians and cyclists?
22022-06-12 10:59Jay May It depends what you are referring to.
1) The Nida / Morskoje border checkpoint has been closed since 2020, so no access to anyone.
2) At the end of Nida, you can see a no-entry sign, which I interpreted as "closed for motor vehicles, but not to pedestrians". There was no other sign, wha...
120583294
by Jay May
@ 2022-05-05 11:00		12022-05-12 04:22user_5359
♦19,362		 Hello! Please have a look on http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/243005124. What ist the meaning of the tag "nq,eMpl"="Sadkowszczyzna"? Did you mean the key name:pl?
22022-05-12 09:17Jay May Ooops
Yes, definitely name:pl
That is what happens when you switch too quickly between French and Polish keyboards :D :D :D
Can you correct it for me, please? ;)
32022-05-12 10:00user_5359
♦19,362		 Done!
42022-05-12 11:28Jay May Thanks a bunch! ;)
119938501
by Jay May
@ 2022-04-20 07:35		12022-04-27 12:54user_5359
♦19,362		 Hello! I correct your typo of waterway:speed (see http://www.osm.org/way/1053248477/history). For better understandig: What is the meaning this tag waterway:speed = 0?
22022-04-27 13:55Jay May Hi.
Thanks :)
waterway:speed=0 means there is no water current (which happens usually on lakes or big reservoirs). AFAIK, this is an info for kayakers and so on.
To what extent this reflects on anything - hard to say on my side. I learned it from Lithuanian OSM ;)
119146228
by Jay May
@ 2022-03-31 07:42		12022-03-31 09:15Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Šiaip tai lenkiškai „Poplawy“... ;-)
22022-03-31 09:18Jay May Hmmmmm... Dabar galvoju. Ar Popławy normaliai ne "Paplaujos"?
32022-03-31 11:20Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Taip, tiesioginis vertimas Poplawy->Paplaujos. Bet lietuviškai (oficialiai) rajonas Paupys.
42022-03-31 11:59Jay May O.K.! Aš visada galvojau, kad Paplaujos ir Paupys yra 2 skirtingi miesto dalys!
118291715
by Jay May
@ 2022-03-09 19:20		12022-03-09 19:36mosstreet
♦232		 There are no border checkpoints and only Russian border guards carry out control which is now available without visas according to current documents
22022-03-09 20:08Jay May Which part are you referring to? The limits with the so-called republics of Donbass or Crimea?
32022-03-09 21:35mosstreet
♦232		 There are no border guards on most of the border between Belarus and Russia, border crossings are guarded only by Belarus and the Russian Federation, and these Ukrainian border guards surrendered

Link to graphic layout plan https://youtu.be/TBMRzMGwlFM?t=63 there are videos from specific points o...
42022-03-10 07:29Jay May I see, but at the end, this means the same: border checkpoints are closed on the Ukrainian side, so you can't travel directly between Ukraine mainland and Russia, Belarus nor the so-called Republics.
52022-03-10 08:44mosstreet
♦232		 You can, movement is allowed and does not require a visa

104495043
by Jay May
@ 2021-05-11 07:48		12021-05-11 08:47Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 What is the source of your data? As there are no open datasets containing forest names.
22021-05-13 05:25Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Will you be able to remove all of your illegal changes (not only forests) by yourself or do you need help from DWG?
32021-05-13 08:56Jay May 1) In 2012, before I started living in Lithuania, I've got a present: a paper map representing all protected areas, but also a couple of forests (not all). I got the approval of the person that gave it to me, that worked in a related institution and that allowed me to use that data as I had alr...
42021-05-13 09:24Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Protected area information is in STK cadastre (which is also not opened yet) and it does not include forest names. Forest names come from MK, which is owned by other organisation which is so far pretty against any type of opening, I doubt any person (even working in that institution) can somehow ove...
52021-05-13 12:40Jay May You might be right, but let's wait for their reply.
62021-10-09 20:49woodpeck
♦2,425		 Jay May, you must observe copyright when contributing to OSM. The DWG is not the institution that decided where copyright applies; it's the laws of the place where the map was published. Usually maps will have a copyright notice. If they don't then the law usually assigns copyright nonethe...
72021-10-09 21:39Jay May Dear woodpeck,
I just wrote you a PM. I already wrote with one of your fellow guys from the DWG about that back in June, but I didn't follow up because one of my loved ones passed away and because I had to spend 3 months abroad due to work.
All the rest of the info will be in PM. Thank you.
104495077
by Jay May
@ 2021-05-11 07:49		12021-06-09 14:49Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 What was the answer from DWG regarding illegal data uploaded? Including this one. Or should I contact them?
22021-06-09 15:03Jay May Who told you this data is illegal?
For the forests, it is already arranged.
32021-06-09 15:04Jay May ... and actually this specific one, as far as I remember, was taken on the spot.
42021-06-09 18:21Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 I told you the data you've used is illegal. OK, I will contact DWG directly.
52021-06-09 18:23Jay May The DWG did not give me any instructions to delete anything so far, but they gave me other instructions (that I will keep between them and myself, and that I am already complying with).
Anyway, I won't have the physical possibility to verify what I marked manually as "seen on the spot&quo...
103502102
by Jay May
@ 2021-04-23 19:09		12021-04-24 08:32Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Užubalių piliakalnis was correctly tagged in Lithuania, it is NOT on the border. It is very disappointing that we have to review each change made and fix (revert) a lot of stuff and see almost ZERO useful changes (copy pasting names in languages you do not speak is harmful, not helpful).
22021-04-24 17:55Jay May What is disappointing is that you keep reverting changes before I even have the time to read and reply.
https://www.latvijas-pilskalni.lv/rites-petruku-karatavu-kalns/
But as you seem to speak Latvian, I will post you the part that interests us:
"Kalnu šķērso Latvijas – Liet...
32021-04-24 17:57Jay May This basically means: if you mapped this hillfort as a summit, yes - its summit is on the LT side.
But originally, it was mapped as a hillfort, which doesn't consist only of the top. Hence, my mapping right on the border is correct.
42021-04-24 18:45Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 It is pointed on a summit as all other hillforts. Protective zone is a different matter and it is separate for Lithuania and Latvia.
52021-04-25 07:34Jay May Hmmm... would you suggest, in such case, mapping 2 different points?
62021-04-25 12:07Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 That hillfort is effectively in Lithuania (it is in Lithuanian heritage registry, not in Latvian). One object in real world - one object in OpenStreetMap - therefore no duplicate object is needed.
And from technical point: putting objects on national border GIS object is very bad in a lot of differ...
103174349
by Jay May
@ 2021-04-19 07:23		12021-04-20 08:52Cucazer
♦60		 О, я недавно тут правил и не смог официальное название на латышском найти, поэтому не менял. Только почему в латышском названии есть упоминание поморской общины, а в...
22021-04-20 08:53Cucazer
♦60		 *русских
32021-04-20 10:32Jay May Честно говоря, наверно не нашёл русского названия с "поморской общины". Если вы хотите менять, поменяйте - проблемов не возникнют мне кажется ;)
101544951
by iWowik
@ 2021-03-23 05:43		12021-03-23 08:49Jay May iWowik, пожалуйста, перестаньте откатить мои смены на Польском языке.
Я специально откатываю название "ulica" и "jezioro", поэтому что так делают Поляки. Я уже об эт...
22021-03-26 08:24iWowik
♦1,071		 День добрый!
Вы пытаетесь внести польско-язычные названия так, как если бы улицы были в Польше.
Но они не в Польше, поэтому неизбежно возникают отличия.

Следует р...
32021-03-26 09:02Jay May Слушайте. Там, где name:pl, это дла польскоязычных пользователей OSM, maps.me, OSMAnd, итп. Таксамо, если name:ru былбы с названием "улица" где-то в Польше (хотя Поляки не пользо...
42021-03-26 09:18iWowik
♦1,071		 В Белоруссии и Украине есть официальные правила для передачи названий на другие языки. И они нам велят просто передавать звучание исходного языка, средствами друг...
52021-03-26 10:11iWowik
♦1,071		 Провел небольшой эксперимент на ленинизм.

Поискал близлежащие Ленинские улицы и улицы Ленина.
Вот несколько примеров.

Бегомль https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/30969956 и располо...
62021-04-01 14:37andrewsh
♦83		 iWowik, вы неправы.
name:pl конечно же Grodno, не Hrodna.
72021-04-01 15:05Jay May Вообще нет смысла, что-бы был name:pl, если вы напишете только транслитерацию из name:be. На это, уже есть int_name. Лучше, что-бы если name:pl вообще пользовать, name:pl=Grodno (как написа...
82021-04-01 16:494004
♦1,882		 Я не занимаю чью либо позицию, но в случаях/местности, где есть носители как бы польского языка (eg kresy wschodnie), не стоит ли брать практику местных за name:pl? Или этот pl не я...
92021-04-25 12:41iWowik
♦1,071		 andrewsh, что значит не прав я?
Это правила такие, я как раз и пишу, что стараюсь таких перегибов избегать.

Jay May, в int_name привильно вообще ничего не писать. Ибо туда сейча...
101435802
by Jay May
@ 2021-03-21 11:51		12021-03-21 12:50Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Mapillary does not seem to find any photos of this place. Official register does not list any manors (or any other heritage objects) in this area.
22021-03-21 18:00Jay May My friend showed me some pictures yesterday and he told me he uploaded his videos to Mapillary yesterday evening. I guess those pics will be on Mapillary at the very beginning of the week. Also, I saw that place "live". I didn't find anyone to ask, and I barely found some documents of...
32021-03-27 09:04Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Mapillary pictures have caught up. I see a newly built building. It can have any name, including "manor", "castle" but it is not a manor in historical sense. I'm inclined to remove tourism=attraction at least until there is something which could really attract tourists. As c...
42021-03-29 10:52Jay May Actually, it is not really new. They kept part of the original stones in the building. The rest of the stones are lying beside the building. That is how we discovered that place physically speaking.
Now, I don't know what the aim of the owner is, so it is hard for me to say if, in the future, ...
52021-03-29 11:03Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Well all objects with historic value are in the registry of heritage, there is nothing in this place. As it is incorrect to point tourists to some attraction where there is none, I will remove the tourism=attraction point. Feel free to re-add it when and if some attraction is created/opened on this ...
99802755
by iWowik
@ 2021-02-23 07:57		12021-03-01 19:58Jay May Hi iWowik
As discussed during our chat on Telegram, please stop changing name:pl from "Czarny trakt" to "trakt Czarny".
As I already told in the Telegram chat, it makes totally no sense to change "Czarny trakt" to "trakt Czarny". Every single Polish mapper w...
22021-03-17 08:05iWowik
♦1,071		 Извиняюсь за то, что долго не отвечал.

Я уже в телеграмме отвечал про порядок слов.
Если же это Чёрный тракт это собственное название дороги, то в нем следовало бы ...
53243580
by Jay May
@ 2017-10-25 18:56		12021-01-05 14:18muchichka_s
♦284		 Your road reclassification is incorrect because H-roads and Р-roads in Ukraine are marked as primary in 99% cases. And you made them secondary
22021-01-05 14:35Jay May I understand what you mean, but what else do you propose? A primary road leading right through the city center just because its administrative classification is higher than bypasses? Sometimes mappers need to be more Cartesian rather than dogmatic for navigational purposes
32021-01-05 14:58muchichka_s
♦284		 I have been to many cities in Ukraine and I will tell you that bypass roads with low status are not always in good condition. Therefore, very often traffic flows through the city center.
Usually when a bypass road in small towns is overhauled, it status is increased. Therefore, in Ukraine we can re...
42021-01-05 15:14Jay May O.K.
95818194
by Jay May
@ 2020-12-14 16:51		12020-12-19 17:59Moldovan_Merkator
♦100		 This tagging IS INCORRECT, this is a G-type road, that means that it should to be tagged as =secondary, please correct it.
22020-12-19 19:45Jay May This change has been done for navigational purposes actually, so OSM-based GPS-es do not lead right through the Gludeni city center. If you really feel like correcting that, then do it (I don't have access to my PC right now).
There are quite a lot of cases, in former USSR countries, where ro...
95829195
by Jay May
@ 2020-12-14 19:11		12020-12-19 17:55Moldovan_Merkator
♦100		 Making changes in Moldova, PLEASE contact the original author of these changes and ask them why he putted these keys to this object, or contact the Moldovan OSM Community from Telegram: https://t.me/OSMMoldova
Putting the key landuse=commercial to border crossing points IS correct, because this is ...
22020-12-19 19:32Jay May Hello,
First of all, thanks for the link to the Telegram channel.
Second: you do not need to write so angrily, with capital letters.
Third: No, a border checkpoint is not a commercial area, unless it is within a shopping center (which is extremely rare). Administration buildings are certainly no...
95830367
by Jay May
@ 2020-12-14 19:33		12020-12-16 15:40muchichka_s
♦284		 Hi, Jay May.

Please explain why you have changed the levels of many roads. Where did you get the information that these changes are necessary? In the most cases these changes do not correspond to local agreements.
22020-12-16 18:01Jay May Hi.
Usually when I do this kind of edits, it is for navigational purposes (so OSM-based GPS-es do not lead right through the middle of a city / town).
Hope this helps
Kind regards,
32020-12-16 18:24muchichka_s
♦284		 But you reclassified E-roads as secondary. This will definitely not improve navigation and does not comply with the agreements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_E-road_network
62084029
by Jay May
@ 2018-08-28 20:16		12020-12-15 18:20Pikse
♦199		 It's hard to understand what you have tried to achieve here. For instance, the following "border shaping" is definitely wrong (makes the border deviate from actual border): https://pewu.github.io/osm-history/#/way/130430241
22020-12-15 18:37Jay May It's hard for me to reply to you on a change I made over 2 years ago. You should provide me with the specific node link/number
The only thing I remember is that for sure I tried to adjust the name tags to each country, as I do in every single part where a lake or a river. I am also almost sure...
32020-12-15 18:38Jay May (I saw the link you sent, but this doesn't clarify which section you are putting in doubt)
42020-12-15 18:48Pikse
♦199		 See history link for way 130430241 in my comment above. It appears in this changeset and also in subsequent changeset[1] you tried to make national border more or less coincident with Acupīte river, while the actual border does not follow the river. You can check actual border from Maa-amet maps[2]...
95219955
by Jay May
@ 2020-12-03 11:05		12020-12-03 12:09Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 All lake data has already been updated according to contemporary situation, not according to outdated data. No fixes needed in Lithuania.
22020-12-03 12:25Jay May It is not a matter of outdated data. Lithuanian Wikipedia is mentioning a different name for the Eastern part of this lake.
32020-12-05 10:16Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 There is one and only one official source for waterbodies - UETK. All other sources are irrelevant and smetimes even harmful (when outdated more than say 5 years, as toponyms change monthly). Wikipedia is a secondary thing for us so it is updated slower than OpenStreetMap. One more thing - wikipedia...
94898072
by Jay May
@ 2020-11-27 13:02		12020-11-27 15:48Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Something went terribly wrong with this changeset, water tagging was damaged too much to revert it separately so I has to revert the whole changeset.
22020-11-28 18:30Jay May I know how it can look when you see how the data was changed, but I will explain:
1) Someone before me had merged a couple of those Tribonys fishponds
2) I started drawing new ones, but it was impossible to merge them all correctly with the other ones
3) I decided to unmerge everything (which mea...
32020-11-28 21:01Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Reservoir is now tagged correctly. To my knowledge it is impossible to tag such objects correctly using iD.
93238800
by Jay May
@ 2020-10-29 13:18		12020-11-01 07:00user_5359
♦19,362		 Hello! Please check the node http://www.osm.org/node/3906402246: What ist the meaning of the tags nq,eMlt=Tiryliai
nq,eMpl=Tyryle?
22020-11-01 16:54Jay May Ouuuuh! I see I had the wrong keyboard when I typed :D
It was supposed to be: "name:lt" and "name:pl", but looks like I had the wrong keyboard configured (French AZERTY instead of classical QWERTY).
Thanks for highlighting that. I will correct that in a few minutes
93238564
by Jay May
@ 2020-10-29 13:11		12020-10-29 17:49Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Note: name:pl which do not represent todays name (do not have meaning or phonetic relation to name) will be moved to old_name:pl.
22020-10-29 19:35Jay May I'd suggest you not to move every single of such names to "old_name:pl" without asking just because at first sight you think doesn't have any meaning or phonetic relation to name or name:lt.
1) Parszuniszki and Narsūniškės are not exactly the most distant ones. I don&#...
32020-10-29 19:50Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Some names are balticised after being slavicised from baltic names :-D it's a total mess sometimes. Some names are balticised totally incorrectly, like bezdanny becomming bezdonys instead of bedugniai, hard to understand, how somebody understanding Lithuanian would use such a name for a place :...
42020-10-30 07:16Jay May I was talking lately with a professor regarding such cases as Narsūniškės and Parszuniszki, I have found such cases also in Belarus (f.ex.: Arabinowszczyzna which became Arabaŭščyna). His theory is that after territories switched to other countries, some people were trying to trans...
52020-10-30 10:59Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Add fino-ugric (estonian) language to the mix. A number of old names while sound very lithuanian have no meaning in lithuanian but do have a meaning in estonian. However, all this being very interesting, OSM is not a place for scientific research of the languages, name:pl is a contemporary name of s...
92832870
by Jay May
@ 2020-10-21 12:20		12020-10-21 19:09Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 "pilkapynas" does not mean "hillfort". It is a totally different object. Please do not adjust objects which you do not understand.
22020-10-26 10:37Jay May Which object are you referring to? AFAIK, I usually translate "piliakalnis" with "hillfort", not "pilkapynas"
32020-10-26 13:24Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4869332929
42020-10-26 14:45Jay May Ooooh! Thanks for highlighting this. I had read "piliakalnis" instead of "pilkapynas". I will correct it
63958158
by Jay May
@ 2018-10-28 19:14		12020-10-02 08:44ldo2
♦2		 Why was access=destination used for https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/610767254?
22020-10-02 13:37Jay May I did that 2 years ago. I guess it was because didn't find any other way to reflect the fact that only Russian and Belarusian citizens can cross this border, in order to avoid all OSM-based GPS apps to lead between BY and RUS through the common border
32020-10-02 18:45ldo2
♦2		 Got it! This change leads that some OSM-based apps suggest detour route through https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/94387909
Maybe we need to add same constraint to such detour ways too?
72724348
by Jay May
@ 2019-07-27 20:14		12020-09-25 07:10iWowik
♦1,071		 День добрый!
Тут, а возможно и еще где-то, вы добавили name:be с отсутствующей в белорусском языке буквой 'и'.
Это явная ошибка. Или название в теге не на том языке.
22020-09-25 07:10iWowik
♦1,071		 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5737798522/history
32020-09-25 09:18Jay May Здравствуйте
Чесно говоря, эти смены из прошлого года. Не очень понимаю об каком название вы говорите
42020-09-25 09:23Jay May Я только увидел "Войшнарышки". Да, это конечно ошибка была. Наверно хотел очень быстра написать
Переменил на "Вайшнарышкі".
Хорошого дня
90191629
by Jay May
@ 2020-08-31 12:14		12020-08-31 17:54Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 What happened here? Why have these driveways been retagged? Important driveway tag removed and access=permissive which actually is pointless was added.
22020-09-01 09:06Jay May You prefer having it as "driveway"? I thought driveway is usually used to access properties.
However, "permissive" is not pointless: you cannot access the Rokantiškės cemetery all the time.
84983348
by Jay May
@ 2020-05-10 19:00		12020-06-17 12:20Андрей Клопов
♦16		 Добрый! Почему вы указали на погранпереходе Урбаны (возле Браслава) тег hgv=no? движение грузовых там разрешено
22020-06-17 13:02Jay May Извините, не найду об чём вы говорите. В каком месте на пункте пропуска?
32020-06-17 17:15Андрей Клопов
♦16		 Здесь:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/292205940
42020-06-17 17:15Андрей Клопов
♦16		 Я уже исправил, т.к. для hgv движение там все-таки разрешенео
52020-06-18 08:14Jay May Знаете, ситуация на этим пункте пропуска поменилась не один раз. Наверно был такой момент, когда фактически былы там разные каналы, но мне сложно сказать.
Хорошого ...
86152644
by Jay May
@ 2020-06-03 20:20		12020-06-04 05:50Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 This particular street DOES NOT have a name. According to official todays data. Buchvico street is a little bit to the West (already tagged).
22020-06-04 09:54Jay May I will try to get the document and send it to you (or send a link for you to see it)
32020-06-04 09:55Jay May However, this particular street is a mess: there are old numbers (from Ežero g.), and new ones (from Michalo Buchvico g.)
42020-06-04 10:51Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 According to Lithuanian law the addresses (including street names) are such as registered in address registry. Irrespective of what plates you see on a house or what documents (even official ones) you get (even current ones, not old ones from 2018). And by data in todays address registry (address ca...
85706364
by Jay May
@ 2020-05-25 07:19		12020-05-25 19:53Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Max speed on UNPAVED roads is 70km/h.
22020-05-26 06:34Jay May Sure, but here the only non-asphalted road is within the village of Bajorai and there is a built-up area roadsign beforewards, which means the speed limit is 50km/h. Look at the Mapillary images from this weekend
32020-05-26 07:28Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 That road is tagged with surface=unpaved, therefore maxspeed cannot be 90. If it is paved, then surface has to be changed together with maxspeed.
85222792
by Jay May
@ 2020-05-14 20:47		12020-05-15 04:06Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 You do not speak samogitian, so please do not duplicate/copy samogitian names to OpenStreetMap from other sources. Such duplication are very bad from IT perspective. Do not ruin languages you do not speak.
22020-05-15 10:11Jay May I actually copy them from Wikidata, itself fed from Wikipedia!
32020-05-15 13:32Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 I know, so do not do that. You're not adding your knowledge to OSM, you're doing secretarys work by blind copying. It is harmful to OSM. Why? Consider two scenarios AFTER you copy paste the data:
Scenario 1) somebody uses OSM data and finds an error, he finds the incorrect „translat...
85008440
by Jay May
@ 2020-05-11 07:59		12020-05-11 10:30Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Do not add surrounding polygons to river relations and do not disrupt order of elements - you're breaking river routing.
22020-05-11 12:29Jay May You mean - not adding only lakes through which rivers go as "waterbody"?
32020-05-11 12:50Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Yes. But most importantly do not break the order (and direction) of items in relation - that is important for river routing (cayaking).
42020-05-11 13:37Jay May O.K. I will have that in mind.
I actually don't change the direction. In this specific case, if I remember well, I was adding some missing points of the relation.
52020-05-11 13:42Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 iD is a very bad editor. Especially with advanced features like relations.
84110188
by Jay May
@ 2020-04-25 15:20		12020-04-25 17:37CamelCaseNick
♦174		 Hey,
you have added an invalid wikidata tag to https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/279287705. I think you meant the same as the one from the relation. AfaIk Wikipedia and Wikidata tags however should not be added to the individual ways/nodes, when they match an existing relation.
CamelCaseNick
22020-04-26 09:56Jay May Hi Nick,
Yes, I meant the same as the one from the relation.
About the Wikipedia and Wikipedata you mentioned above ... I've gotten contradictory theories in the past, so now I prefer always putting them both in the relation and in the watercourse. The Wikidata will always be the same, but fo...
32020-04-26 09:57Jay May P.S.: Just corrected this mistake thanks to you ;)
83715275
by Jay May
@ 2020-04-17 15:38		12020-04-23 22:11CamelCaseNick
♦174		 Hey,
your wikidata tag for https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/542912359 is wrong. Should it have been Q90905424?
CamelCaseNick
22020-04-24 06:02Jay May Hi Nick!
Let me check
32020-04-24 06:04Jay May Yes, you are right. Thanks a lot for contacting me regarding that! Sometimes I have to write the Wikidata number manually, and which gives more room for mistakes!
83394517
by Jay May
@ 2020-04-11 10:48		12020-04-11 11:15Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 iD is creating unnecessary relations and you're rearranging and adding excessive tourism objects in Vilnius, where all tourism information was fixed, cleaned and classified :-( Fixed for now but looks like there will be a lot of additional work...
22020-04-11 12:41Jay May Hi
I actually didn't add any attractions whatsoever and no tag "tourism=attraction" after the one you had deleted (narrowest street in Vilnius).
I only added name and multiple name:xx tags.
The only building I merged (which is why you saw that relation you mentioned) was the former...
83322207
by Jay May
@ 2020-04-09 17:47		12020-04-09 18:29Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Narrowest street was already tagged (on a way). Removed new duplicate node.
22020-04-09 19:37Jay May Oh sorry, I hadn't noticed it.
83140350
by Jay May
@ 2020-04-06 10:47		12020-04-06 11:04Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Reverted as per yesterdays discussion - official name is ola (cave), not uola (rock).
22020-04-06 11:31Jay May Now I am confused: initially, it was "uola" and ... on Wikipedia it's uola
32020-04-06 11:33Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 In official data it is „ola“. Wikipedia is wrong, fixing process has started.
60221388
by Jay May
@ 2018-06-27 14:57		12020-04-05 17:134004
♦1,882		 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/602646386 a tunnel in the middle of nowhere?
22020-04-05 18:37Jay May For pedestrians, as far as I remember (it was 2 years ago...)
R52 is an entirely new road that was made to connect the Haza nuclear power plant to Ashmiany, and they did a couple of things they don't do on other roads.
32020-04-05 18:40Jay May I am now thinking that perhaps it is not a pedestrian one, but a water culvert. Problem is: the evidence I see in Mapillary is poor.
I would have to drive there again ... but it will certainly not be before this nightmare called Quarantine ends
42020-04-05 22:194004
♦1,882		 looking at surroundings, I'm going to say it's very likely a culvert
82763659
by Jay May
@ 2020-03-28 20:39		12020-03-29 05:57Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 tourism=information is for places where you can actually (on the ground/spot) find information for tourists: boards, directions etc. It is not a way to "say" something to potential tourists.
22020-03-30 07:55Jay May O.K. Actually my aim is for other OSM users not to map again this bridge (btw really a pity it doesn't exist anymore). What other solution would you suggest?
32020-03-30 08:35Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 I've updated tags do disused: so it will be visible to other mappers with JOSM.
42020-03-30 08:36Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Sorry, to demolished:, not disused:
52020-03-30 11:57Jay May Cool, thanks
82566687
by Dimitri_Junker
@ 2020-03-24 10:57		12020-03-24 11:24Jay May Hi:
Thanks for your feedback.
Did you correct it?
22020-03-24 11:30Jay May I just corrected it. Thank you for your feedback
Actually, it was extremely complex to map the whole JB and Woodlands checkpoints appropriately.
Here, there was an additional error: I had marked "only bus and cars" in English, but "only bus and motorcycles" in Malay, which mig...
32020-03-24 11:34Dimitri_Junker
♦4		 I only speek a few words of malay ;-)
Thanks again
42020-03-24 11:36Jay May Me too :) I am from Europe, but I used to live in SIngapore a long time ago and I came back after 23 years between October and November 2019 :)
82541462
by Jay May
@ 2020-03-23 21:16		12020-03-24 06:17Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 River, administration boundary, forest relations have been badly broken, trying to find out how to fix. Please do not edit relations with iD, it is only good for changing names and entering benches and stores.
22020-03-24 06:34Jay May Hi. If it's the same place we're talking about, I think my mistake was not due to editing with ID, but that at some point I hadn't checked properly whether the river was not merged with one forest/admin limit. Do you have the possibility to revert only part of the changes (not the nam...
32020-03-24 14:10Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 I've fixed the problems, but it took quite some time. The problem is that iD is not created to do such changes and does not have a proper validator - such changes would have been impossible in JOSM.
82258354
by Jay May
@ 2020-03-16 12:57		12020-03-16 13:19Jay May Can someone delete what I did? I noticed only later while looking at the Mapillary images that this road in fact goes through Ukrainian territory
22020-03-16 16:54danvyr
♦55		 Done https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82266920
79161434
by Jay May
@ 2020-01-03 15:14		12020-03-01 04:35Russ McD
♦223		 Jay - please respect local Thai mapping guidelines for the status of roads. We have a Wiki that explains this.
You have changed the Rural roads around Nong Bua Lam Phu to Primary, while downgrading the main Hwy 201 to secondary. I can only assume this is a misguided attempt to force traffic aroun...
22020-03-01 04:38Russ McD
♦223		 Furthermore, I see you cud not even be bothered to change the U-turns and links to match the new status. All this does is add to workload when we run error checking programs. May I ask where else you have been arbitrarily changing roads in Thailand ?
32020-03-01 04:42Russ McD
♦223		 And you have changed the unclassified frontage roads to primary_links on one side of the Hwy 210, but not on the other.
Any rationale, or just tradie work ?
Frontage roads are for local traffic to access shops, and not for caars to fly down at exit ramp speeds. That's why we tag them this wa...
42020-03-01 09:03Jay May First of all, good morning.
At first, I would kindly appreciate if you changed your tone.
Second: I never do such things arbitrarily, and, at my age, my purpose would certainly not be vandalizing, but improving the map and placing ground truth over theory.
If there is a convention (which I didn&...
52020-03-01 10:45Russ McD
♦223		 Hello Jay - My tone is one born out of frustration, so apologies if it sounded harsh. Your intent to lead traffic out of the cities, should not cause you to change the status of roads. This can be achieved to a certain degree by adding the correct speed limits and not changing the classification ta...
62020-03-01 15:48Jay May Hi Russ,
I understand. I actually based my edits on Maxar satellite imagery, which is the best one for some countries I work a lot on (Belarus, the Baltic countries, Western Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Singapore, Southern Peninsular Malaysia ...). However, from what you describe above, looks like Maxa...
72020-03-03 01:08Russ McD
♦223		 Hi,
Unfortunately for us, we lost Maxar after Facebook had finished its automated edits of the Country and only have Bing at present. You are right, it was the best.
I do leave note tags when appropriate, but I am not familiar with the comment function you mention. Is this a feature of the editor...
78894198
by feta2
@ 2019-12-26 18:33		12020-01-08 09:32Jay May Hello, @feta2 :)
Why did you revert my changes? I am trying to understand the relevance of marking the whole Tuas checkpoint, as well as the road between Tuas West Dr and AYE as motorway and motorway link ... Usually, "motorway link" = motorways/expressways exit, and main roads are usuall...
22020-01-08 17:50feta2
♦24		 Hello Jay May,

I noticed you just started mapping in Singapore. Thanks for mapping! The roads entering and exiting the checkpoint are motorways. Motorway and motorway_link were used to distinguish what does and does not have motorcar access.
32020-01-08 18:19Jay May Well, you know :) Singapore used to be my home between 1994 and 1996 :) I've been back there recently for the 1st time 2 months ago.
About the tags: actually I don't know how it used to be, but I add other completely different access tags for the purpose you described above (for instance ...
42020-01-09 18:11feta2
♦24		 I understand why you made them trunk. It was to show a difference between importance. Adding motorway and motorway_link does the same thing. I did this because this is one road and having classifications match makes sense. Having two different classifications for different lanes of the same road can...
52020-01-10 11:34Jay May Well, if I have to be honest I still think the border checkpoint itself, as well as the as well as the road between Tuas West Dr and AYE should have the tag "highway=trunk". :)
Right now, I am trying to figure out exactly how both border checkpoints around the Tuas second link look inside...
78742905
by Jay May
@ 2019-12-22 19:47		12019-12-22 20:32Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Do not change waterway=riverbank to natural=water+water=river.
22019-12-23 08:44Jay May Actually, it's OSM itself that suggested me this change. It asked me to update obsolete tags, which is why I did it. Doesn't it show such message to you when you work on riverbanks?
32019-12-23 09:31Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 You're editing with POI editor - iD, which is targeted for beginners: to edit names, draw buildings and benches in parks. I'm using full functionality OSM editor - JOSM - that one does not give incorrect advices.
General note: do not follow ANY advice iD gives to you.
42019-12-23 10:02Jay May O.K.
78635079
by Jay May
@ 2019-12-19 11:39		12019-12-19 23:30abakus_uploader
♦9,167		 (Wiadomość automatyczna)
Cześć!
Otrzymujesz ten komentarz, ponieważ dodałeś lub zmodyfikowałeś adres, który jest niepełny lub błędny.
Adres powinien zawierać minimum trzy znaczniki: addr:city=[nazwa_miejscowosci] + addr:street=[nazwa_ulicy] + addr:housenumber=[numer_porz...
22019-12-20 08:19Jay May Cześć. Ja po prostu chciałem, żeby można było łatwiej znaleźć adres.Z tego co pamiętam, ja dodałem kod pocztowy i nazwę gminy. Co tam poszło nie tak?
32019-12-20 11:13jendrusk
♦46		 Cześć. Są szanse, że już wcześniej było zepsute, a Tobie się dostało, bo ostatni dotykałeś... to tylko bot i zbyt inteligentny nie jest więc się nie przejmuj :)
48708810
by Jay May
@ 2017-05-15 18:14		12019-09-18 15:20Pikse
♦199		 Border stone in this location can't mark the contemporary border. It's probably a removed marker or otherwise a historical one. Also, based on what you draw the rest of the border around that marker? You can check the actual border from [1]. This border segment should be restored and disco...
22019-09-18 16:12Jay May When I drew that I went there by car two years ago, so I can hardly answer all your questions. Nevertheless, it was a black/white border marker "Latvija/Eesti". To prove I'm right I would have to come back there by car and make Mapillary geolocalization. It won't be for right now...
32019-09-18 16:47Pikse
♦199		 I'm not arguing whether border marker exists in that location. I just don't see a reason to think that it marks contemporary border in that location. Now that I look closer to it on aerial imagery – in someone's garden between a greenhouse and a shed – it may very well be ...
60960988
by Jay May
@ 2018-07-22 19:45		12019-05-20 09:124004
♦1,882		 i think a turn restriction is not actually needed there, considering you can go forward, as can be seen on mapillary
22019-05-20 14:19Jay May Actually I had mapped this 10 months ago like it looked back then. I haven't crossed there since, so I don't know how it looks like at the moment.
32019-05-20 21:034004
♦1,882		 mapillary user crossed there about 10 months ago as well, not sure if this was before or after you https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=aWCswiKnR97UPTO9vjet8w&focus=photo
and then there is this note saying you can go straight on
68206801
by Jay May
@ 2019-03-16 15:46		12019-03-18 22:32woodpeck
♦2,425		 Can you explain the details of the "vandalism" you mention here?
22019-03-19 07:16Jay May Hello!

I find a lot of places in Latvia where:
- Roads have been deleted
- Tags have been deleted (which leads solely some untagged line instead of a road)
- In the place of those roads, a lot of untagged points had been added (God knows why).

How can I see it was vandalized? When I zoom ou...
66925932
by Jay May
@ 2019-02-05 09:32		12019-02-05 11:42Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Oho, deleting multilingual names...
22019-02-05 13:16Jay May ??????? Where?
32019-02-05 14:31Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 This is and some other changesets removed name:de.
42019-02-05 17:52Jay May I am *adding* multilingual names (especially name:be, int_name, but also name:et, name:de, name:fi, name:pl, name:lt and name:lv tags. If you are talking about the 2 or 3 German names that were in it, they were totally wrong. Not correct phonetically in Russian, Belarusian nor German.
You will be ...
52019-02-05 18:16Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Frederik should have explained to you that using historic maps is not allowed, at least you should not be putting such names into name:xx tags, only to old_name:xx tags as was noticed with a bunch of incorrect names you've entered in Lithuania.
Government data is usually public, but it does no...
62019-02-05 18:31Jay May Strangely, you are the only one complaining about what I am adding :) Moreover, if it is not useful for you as a Lithuanian using the map in Lithuanian language, it is useful for people using the map in other languages :)
A lot of the names I had added previously were for public use because they w...
72019-02-05 18:40Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 No country around Lithuania takes so much care about QA, that is why "nobody complained". Check this out: https://blog.openmap.lt/2016/03/25/klaidos-baltijos-juros-regione/

The only thing you had to do is add multilingual names correctly without wasting time of people taking care of QA ...
82019-02-05 19:28Jay May Do you even read what you write Tomas?!...

First of all, no Polish name (nor any name in any other language - even in transliterations to Russian or Belarusian) phonetically matches Lithuanian names. Not even one! Your politicians are the ones who, continuing the Soviet tradition, force local Pol...
92019-02-05 20:45Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Calm down, dude :-) In each post you invent some non existant nazi monsters and make up some fantasies about my personality.

If Lithuanian name is something like Trakai and Polish name is something like Aleksandrowka - that is what I mean "do not match phonetically". You have entered a ...
102019-03-18 19:39Jay May I see you love the word "nazi". You use it very often :)
Contrary to you, I am not competing with anyone. I don't have that much time for mapping as you do because I have my own life :)
Third: don't try to pretend you deleted my data because I was putting wrong names :) I woul...
112019-03-18 19:59Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 You're not reading what I write. old_name:pl may contain anything, but name:pl must contain contemporary translation of Lithuanian name to Polish. It does not have to be phonetic translation, it may even be translation of meaning to Polish where pronounciation will be quite different - that IS ...
68260294
by Jay May
@ 2019-03-18 14:27		12019-03-18 17:58Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 It was agreed with DWG that you will not be introducing new errors in Lithuanian data. Please either fix your errors (by adding missing name:lt tags where you add other name:xx tags) or stop damaging data in Lithuania.
22019-03-18 19:26Jay May First of all, you have no clue what I agreed with the DWG, so don't speak as if you were between them and myself.
Second, you always look for the tiniest little pretext to harass me and if you keep on doing that, this will end in court.
I added name:lv tags which are available on wiki. If yo...
32019-03-18 19:46Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 When resolving disputes DWG contacts BOTH sides, so I was also giving my arguments and explanations on what is wrong with your edits. Resolution of that conflict meant changes in mapping behaviour for BOTH of us.
In this particular changeset 68260294 which I'm commenting you've added a nu...
66923854
by Jay May
@ 2019-02-05 08:08		12019-02-27 15:00yaugenka
♦151		 Hi Jay May. Was waterway relation deleted by mistake?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8890015
It is a tributary of the https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7778370
both have the same name.
22019-02-27 20:10Jay May Hmmmmm........... Good question. As far as I remember, I was merging different river elements that had exactly the same characteristics. When you merge 2 elements, it appears as if you had deleted one. I wouldn't be surprised if you told me a river element appears as "deleted". Howeve...
32019-02-28 22:14yaugenka
♦151		 Do you happen to have a map with Нішчанка name of this river on it? I think that there is a mistake on wiki. They say that there are two Янка rivers, but I start thinking that there is only one and the other one is called Нішчанка which flows into Янка.
42019-03-02 11:42Jay May I remember there was a confusion between Niščanka and Janka. I also think there is a mistake on Wiki, because when I looked at old Polish maps (you can find similar ones at kami.net.pl/kresy), I saw the flow was different at the split point.
52019-03-02 12:43yaugenka
♦151		 Probably the post-war chartographers got confused by the Janka lake which made them think that Janka river should be flowing through it. I have created a separate waterway relation for Nischanka river and included it into Janka river relation as tributary. Now it is inline with the pre-war maps whic...
50175978
by Jay May
@ 2017-07-10 12:58		12019-02-25 22:20aceman444
♦2,567		 Hi, why do you think, there is no border control at the border here between Hungary and Slovakia? Also why do you think it is NOT on the main road 17, but there is control on the service roads in between? There is border control, but it does not mean it has to stop every car.
22019-02-26 08:09Jay May Hello
This changeset was made over a year ago, just the way I saw it "live".
To answer your question: both Hungary and Slovakia are part of the Schengen area. This means there is no *systematic* border control. If you map a border control on an intra-Schengen border and you use any app w...
32019-02-26 08:34aceman444
♦2,567		 Hi, thanks, I understand that there is the Schengen area and there is no systematic border control. But that may not mean there is none. Also, intra-Schengen controls can be restarted systemically any time the government decides so, e.g. due to terorism or migration (apparently some countries like G...
42019-02-26 10:01Jay May Well, we are supposed to map facts, not eventualities, and the fact is: border controls are not there on a daily basis, which is why mapping them is not relevant. Otherwise, I would have to map all possible border/customs controls within the Schengen area (and not necessarily at the borders themselv...
52019-02-26 11:05aceman444
♦2,567		 So if mapping facts, have you immediatelly added all border controls of Poland at the time in November-December 2018 when they did actually have systematic border checks (due to some international conference)? Also have you added all controls in Germany, Austria, Norway, Denmark etc. since 2015 when...
62019-02-26 20:31aceman444
♦2,567		 Hi, I'm fine with soumehow distinguishing the irregular (rare) checks on borders within Schengen, and systematic checks outside. But it needs to be agreed upon on the Tagging mailing list and be documented on the wiki. Because there are many people adding the controls inside of Schengen, please...
50403473
by Jay May
@ 2017-07-19 12:08		12019-02-17 22:254004
♦1,882		 we do have approved tags for "<3.5t" values
22019-02-18 09:21Jay May Ehm. I am not sure about what you refer to (because I did this like 1 year ago), but if you refer to adding access tags for "barrier=border control", they have no influence at all over navigation issues (which is why I added that legend at the time in name=*). However, definitely those tag...
32019-02-18 19:044004
♦1,882		 Yeah, sorry I wasn’t clear. Was referring to the border control nodes. I can see why it might need a name for some specific cases, but with weight separation/restriction, why can’t we just use maxweight=3.5 as opposed to putting it in the name on all of the nodes?
42019-02-19 09:12Jay May Well, to me it would have been even better, but as I told you - the issue is that it has absolutely no influence over navigation if you use the correct tags additionally to "barrier=border control" (like hgv=designated, etc.). However, it does have an influence when you do that for the roa...
52019-02-22 23:254004
♦1,882		 but it's the issue with the routing engine, we don't have to adjust to it. i'll try adding it to the road
62901700
by Jay May
@ 2018-09-25 05:59		12019-01-21 22:35ulmtuelp
♦56		 A touristic tour in my opinion is no ferry. Also instersection line. Removed.
22019-01-22 07:00Jay May Hello.
You shouldn't have removed it as it is an important feature we have on the map to be able to guide people towards such places, especially given the fact the Azure Window itself doesn't exist anymore. Moreover, if they don't know where to go without our map, then it is a bit of...
63905743
by Jay May
@ 2018-10-26 16:05		12019-01-20 23:18aleksas
♦3		 Dumsių seniūnija was renamed to Šveicarijos seniūnija according to https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0veicarijos_seni%C5%ABnija
22019-01-21 17:18aleksas
♦3		 FIXME
32019-01-21 17:19aleksas
♦3		 note=FIXME.
42019-01-21 18:03Jay May Labas! :) Thanks for the info.
I think someone already fixed it
63955447
by Jay May
@ 2018-10-28 17:02		12018-10-29 07:50Andrej293
♦5		 Исправляйте свои косяки. Удалите московское время с границы Волгоградской и Саратовской областей.
22018-10-29 18:24Jay May Здравствуйте. Я не знаю, где моя ошибка. Давайте изправляйте сам, поэтому что я не знаю где она. Я занимался парком в Латвии, который был на границе с Россией, и рекой &...
63765527
by Jay May
@ 2018-10-22 16:32		12018-10-22 16:48Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 QA: keepright.at <- Šis įrankis parodo didžiulį kiekį klaidų. Vienas iš klaidų taisymo variantų - panaikinti name žymas, kurios ir taip išskaičiuojamos iš wikidata ir pan. šaltinių. Tuo labiau, kad vieno karts nuo karto žyminčio žmogaus pastangomis ...
22018-10-24 15:31Jay May Prasmes nesuprantu. Parašyk angliškai.
63798367
by Jay May
@ 2018-10-23 14:31		12018-10-23 20:32Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 The push to eternal vanity of nonsense :-)
22018-10-24 15:27Jay May What in the world are you talking about?
63667267
by Tomas Straupis
@ 2018-10-19 05:22		12018-10-19 07:31Jay May Tas adresas yra. Jeigu netiki, tai važiuok pats tenais ir žinosi labai greitai. Ne mano kaltė kad Vilniaus miesto dokumentai nėra tobulus.
22018-10-19 09:36Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Vilniaus adresai kas savaitę-dvi sinchronizuojami pagal Vilniaus savivaldybės duomenis. Vilniaus adresų duombazė yra pati geriausia Lietuvoje, tiesiog reikia žinoti daug niuansų, kaip adresai veikia, kaip jie keičiami, kokios šiandieninės adresavimo strategijos ir pan.
63656599
by Jay May
@ 2018-10-18 18:15		12018-10-19 05:22Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Please stop mapping fantasy objects. There is no address Ateities 31A in Vilnius. Reverted.
22018-10-19 07:29Jay May Why should I invent an address that doesn't exist at my age? If you live in Vilnius, go and see for yourself. I've been there yesterday and no map indicated that address, but it really exists. I can show you my dashcam video if you want. Stop reverting things without asking, because this i...
32018-10-19 07:30Jay May https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/grobin?lat=54.73423611111111&lng=25.25431111111111&z=17&pKey=BiNe4IYNWNVr7fj6T58UgQ&focus=photo&x=0.4929810911609744&y=0.4811000401231181&zoom=0
Here it is written "A31" on the front of the building. If you walk on the left si...
42018-10-19 09:34Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 People can write whatever they want on their walls (or websites). Addresses actually exist and are entered into OSM when they are in official address database. 31A is not in the database. Could have been removed from official database a year ago during the latest Vilnius address clean-up.
61618050
by Tomas Straupis
@ 2018-08-13 08:47		12018-08-13 10:38Jay May Hello Tomas. Have you been erasing all the multilingual names I've been putting lately?
22018-08-14 19:31Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 No. Your interest does not intersect with mine or general Lithuanian mappers interests, so I'm in no way tracing or interested in your edits.
60207727
by Jay May
@ 2018-06-27 09:00		12018-07-01 19:51yaugenka
♦151		 Привет!
http://osm.mapki.com/history/relation.php?id=7529385
Ну зачем опять переименовали в станцию? Везде же, кроме видимо знака, поселок называется просто "Рожанка".
Раз уже мапите ...
22018-07-01 20:09Jay May Hello Yaugenka.
Thanks for your proposition, but I am already in the Telegram discussion for a long time.
Remember we already had this discussion a couple of months ago with the DWG with a similar case. What is on the roadsign *prevails* over the data the administration has.
And this is again th...
59816449
by Jay May
@ 2018-06-13 16:34		12018-06-14 20:37matsumi
♦23		 Apparently, for you is the discovery that in Belarus on white road signs the correct names are not always indicated. I live about two kilometers from here and I know for sure that this is Gudagay settlement.
22018-06-14 20:41matsumi
♦23		 http://ostrovets.grodno-region.by/uploads/files/Gudogajskij-selsovet.pdf
32018-06-15 08:05Jay May "Hudahaj" was left as "alt_name" for a purpose; and it was already discussed with the DWG a couple of months ago. I've been driving there since 2015 and I've already noticed it. The fact that the Belarusian administration's data is a a mess is not our fault, and th...
51199623
by Jay May
@ 2017-08-17 09:49		12018-04-26 01:27Yury Yatsynovich
♦114		 Why have you elevated the local road H2126 from tertiary to primary? If this has been done for navigation purposes then the preferable way is by using tags surface, max_speed, hgv=no and so on. Usually, roads of "Н"-class in Belarus are classified as tertiary, while "Р"-class a...
22018-04-26 08:27Jay May Hi. I made this change a long, long time ago, and yes. It is for navigational purposes. Why? Because no matter what max_speed, hgv etc.you mark, openstreetmap and OSM-based apps like maps.me always choose the "superior" road, right through the city center. There are lots of similar cases i...
51206142
by Jay May
@ 2017-08-17 13:43		12018-02-23 16:39Yury Yatsynovich
♦114		 Остановка "Ледовый дворец" явно не на своем месте.
22018-02-23 16:39Yury Yatsynovich
♦114		 Я про вот эту точку: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1674193920
32018-02-23 20:43Jay May Хммм ... Не помню что-бы я когда-то трогал остановки в Молодечне ... тогда даже не понимаю об чём вы говорите :)
42018-02-23 21:02Yury Yatsynovich
♦114		 Да, странно: история правок говорит, что эта точка была смещена именно в результате ваших правок 6 месяцев тому, до этого она находилась на правильном месте...
Кроме ...
52018-02-23 21:50Jay May ??? Я даже не знал, что такой тэг вообще есть! ... ну, странно, странно...
54478664
by Jay May
@ 2017-12-09 08:19		12017-12-09 09:03Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 You've made changes to some tags, but not all. Now references to cultural heritage are wrong, as well as attraction tags ar wrong.
22017-12-09 09:09Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 To be more clear. Event (baptising) is not a physical object. Physical objects are: church and complex of buildings. Only physical objects are mapped.
Tourism guide could have info, that Pilsudsky was baptised in Church X, then you look up Church X to find the place.
32017-12-09 11:24Jay May O kur čia apie tai rašyti?
42017-12-09 11:32Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Apie tai, kad šioje bažnyčioje buvo krikštytas Pilsudskis, galima rašyti į description ar description:pl žymą.
52017-12-10 17:52Jay May Done. Patikrink jei viskas tvarkoj, ypač lietuviškai.
62017-12-10 18:12Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Patikrinau, viskas tvarkoj (pataisiau nedidelę lt klaidelę).
54082936
by Расслабон
@ 2017-11-25 22:01		12017-11-28 12:44Jay May STOP CHANGING BORDER CHECKPOINTS! You are bringing confusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
53763816
by borism346
@ 2017-11-14 07:59		12017-11-14 19:21Jay May Please rollback how this border checkpoint used to look
53736133
by borism346
@ 2017-11-13 10:34		12017-11-14 19:20Jay May Please rollback how this border checkpoint used to look.
53678939
by Расслабон
@ 2017-11-10 22:00		12017-11-14 19:20Jay May Please rollback how this border checkpoint used to look.
53636194
by borism346
@ 2017-11-09 11:03		12017-11-10 07:36Jay May Hello. May I know why you changed this border checkpoint?
53636395
by borism346
@ 2017-11-09 11:11		12017-11-10 07:33Jay May Hello. May I know why you reverted my changes on the Brest and Terespol border checkpoints?
51731662
by Jay May
@ 2017-09-04 21:05		12017-11-09 08:12Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 обьяснить почему удаление КПП Возможно название неверное но что то же здесь есть
22017-11-09 08:27Jay May Не уверен, что понял вопрось. Я не удалил никакого КПП. Это было 2 месяцёв назад, и так что я помню там была другая категория. Теперь там как надо - barrier:border control
32017-11-09 16:38Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 полигон amenity=customs был удален Анализатолр правок показал четко
42017-11-09 16:40Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 и где это написано что вместо полигона пункт пропуска надо подписывать автобан ? на несколько километров
52017-11-09 17:05Jay May Customs = таможня. А там нету таможников, только пограничники. Поэтому правильно (и сразу видно на каждым OSM-gps ) barrier:border control.
Там нету автобана. Это дорога в терене пункт...
52566221
by Jay May
@ 2017-10-02 14:39		12017-10-02 17:25yaugenka
♦151		 Jay May, my changes did not delete the previous data, whereas your reverting messed everthing up! There are now duplicate data. If you are doing reverting, do it wisely!
22017-10-02 17:51yaugenka
♦151		 I do not mind if you put the previous "name:* values but please be kind to correct the mess and restore the new values I added.
32017-10-03 16:48Jay May The values you added were wrong. The only thing called „Hudahaj” is the train station. Those villages are called „Stancyja Hudahaj” and „Maly Hudahaj” respectively. Why should I restore wrong data if I’ve been there a couple of times, the latest of which was...
42017-10-03 17:33yaugenka
♦151		 Read this document from the district's government website:
http://ostrovets.grodno-region.by/uploads/files/000225_408421__selskij_ispolnitelnyj_komitet.doc

I moved the values from "name" tags into "alt_name" tags and put names from the document into the "name" ...
52017-10-04 09:10Jay May Your threat of reporting the above to the DWG is absolutely ridiculous given the fact you are the one who has been reverting my changes without/before even asking why I made them, and thus you brought more confusion. Your behavior is contrary to the good practice of OSM, which pretty much puts your ...
62017-10-04 12:41SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 Er - I'm confused...
That document appears to be a document in Russian listing some village and settlement names in Russian. It merely confirms that these places have Russian names (which no-one disagrees with) as well as Belarusian names (which in this region I'm sure no-one disagrees w...
72017-10-04 17:51yaugenka
♦151		 @SomeoneElse, that is exactly the case which we were explaning to everyone in defence of Russian names in the "name" tags - almost all offical documents and maps are in Russian language.
This document is on the govenment website, govenment exacutive authority of the Ostivetskiy disctrict ...
82017-10-04 18:57SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 @yaugenka As I said, no one doubts that these places have BE and RU names. What I was asking about was your change of e.g. http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=1286803731 to lose the "Станция" part of the name (regardless of language).
Separately to that, from looking at htt...
92017-10-04 19:33yaugenka
♦151		 @SomeoneElse, I'm not argueing about the use of the languigies right now. I just explained that regardless of that the document is in Russian it is an official one.
The official name of the both settlesments is "Гудогай" without the "Малый" and "Станц...
102017-10-04 20:02SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 It's perfectly possible for 2 settlements (with different names) to be part of one larger admin area - I live in a place exactly like that myself.
112017-10-04 20:15SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 Also - on the "official languages" point, there are many places in OSM where the "official" language isn't the one used by people and on signs locally, and as per http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf it's the language used by pe...
122017-10-04 20:41yaugenka
♦151		 Sorry, I do not quite understand why we are discussing the use of language here. How is it related to the difference between "Станция Гудогай" and "Гудогай".
132017-10-04 21:07yaugenka
♦151		 You can also look up the names in the official registry of settlements at http://maps.by/searchate
Here is a screenshot from there
https://www.awesomescreenshot.com/image/2866539/17f558f07c38fa35fd106b9e0650c342
142017-10-04 21:22yaugenka
♦151		 If we talk just about the use of these names, then try to search for "Станция Гудогай" or "Малый Гудогай" on the web and you will get "п. Гудогай" and "д. Гудогай" instead, like on this wiki page
https://ru.wikipedia....
152017-10-05 11:16Jay May If the values are wrong, I still don't see what I should keep them as they were.
I've corrected many mistakes on OSM where the ending was not the proper one or the name was wrong (just as in this case). I haven't seen districts of one locality signed whatsoever. For instance, Bialk...
162017-10-05 17:31yaugenka
♦151		 I'm greatfull for your contributions but mapping settlements from signs is not enough. The reality is constantly changing. Some settlements get annexed by larger ones or become independent or are renamed or cease to exist at all. And road signs are always going behind these changes.
For exampl...
172017-10-05 18:23SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 > So one must always double check it
> with the official registry.
I can't comment about Belarus directly but "What people refer to a place and how they classify it" and "how something is treated officially" are often very different in OSM. In most places the forme...
182017-10-05 19:13yaugenka
♦151		 There is not a single settlement with "admin" tag in Belarus. All settlements are mapped with "place" tag and correspond to official registry. The prority of mapping for us is actually the law, then the registry and then the signs. Because first comes an official act (e.g. about ...
192017-10-06 06:24Jay May Bialkiški was marked as a neighborhood by myself :)
There is one thing I noticed in Belarus (very similar to Lithuania and to Ireland): ZIP codes seem not to be used ... Maybe it would be good to find them and map them?
202017-10-06 07:42yaugenka
♦151		 Bialkiški was marked as a neighborhood by myself :)
xm.. the history says it different
http://osm.mapki.com/history/relation.php?id=6910214
http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=242995527
212017-10-06 08:19Jay May Ah, rightttt. Looks like this Georgij also knows about this.
However, I am the one who created the relation between Bialkiški and Astraviec.
You are welcome to have a look if I did it the right way.
222017-10-06 16:22yaugenka
♦151		 Not quite. It would be correct if the area of Bialkiški was outside Astraviec. Astraviec would then consist of two separate polygons like in this example
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1996913.
But Bialkiški is within Astraviec, i.e. one polygon is within another and this will...
232017-10-07 20:20yaugenka
♦151		 I have fixed the alt_name*s of Гудогай by myself and submitted a request to our state authority to provide the name of the official act according to which the names were officially changed.
242017-10-09 11:12Jay May O.K. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised they are not even aware that those 2 villages have slightly different names ... I'm pretty confident their answer will be very interesting to read.
252017-10-13 16:13yaugenka
♦151		 Here is there answer
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwqmq6xk-oieRzJfRThiUWNaOURLY3Q3SXFfRW82ZGJEVXUw
They say that the addressing system (which includes the registry) was formally launched in 2012 and the villages have always been named in the registry as "п. Гудогай" and &quo...
262017-10-13 18:49SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 However, the law doesn't affect how we generally map stuff in OSM - it's what's on the ground that matters.
Don't just take my word for it, either - here's an answer to a similar question elsewhere: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2017-October/017990.html ...
272017-10-13 19:10yaugenka
♦151		 I understand the on the ground rule and do not insist on changing the name right now but they may and are likely to correct the sign soon. Is anyone going to travel there from time to time to track the change for the map to stay up to date?
282017-10-13 19:30SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 > Is anyone going to travel there from time to time to track the change for the map to stay up to date?
To be honest, it's how I keep stuff up to date where I live. Obviously (as Canadians on OSM lists point out regularly) that's less applicable to places with a significantly lower po...
292017-10-13 19:58Jay May I will be there in a week or two.
About what you mentioned above on the ground rule regarding India: English has been chosen despite being a minority language because it is a language that is displayed in every roadsign, no matter the language of the province. Same for Ireland or the non-Brussels b...
302017-10-13 20:33yaugenka
♦151		 Imagine your need to make a business trip to this village and got a ticke to "п. Гудогай" - that is the name which is used in all documents and on the web. So you search for that name on the map but don't find any because on the map it is named "Станция Гудог...
312017-10-14 10:38Jay May ...and then they arrive on-spot and see „Станцыя Гудагай” written in Belarusian, which makes them really wonder what exactly is wrong with those names ... Neither the language, neither the full name correspond. „Что сделать...”
322017-10-14 11:24SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 For info, there's a widely-used tag for the "official name" of places: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/official_name .
332017-10-14 11:37yaugenka
♦151		 What is the sense of introducing one extra tag when 99.99% of names correspond to official ones and the remaing 0.01% is a \tneglect of the authorities who did not change the sign properly?
342017-10-14 11:40SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 Feel free to corretc me with actual numbers, but my impression so far is that a _very high percentage_ of names in OSM in BE don't match the names on the signs. One of the arguments put forward was that they are official names.
352017-10-14 11:43yaugenka
♦151		 >my impression so far is that a _very high percentage_ of names in OSM in BE don't match the names on the signs.
Can you give some examples apart from "Гудогай" where the names mismatch?
362017-10-14 11:55SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 Well, the DWG was sent lots of photographs of roadsigns and placenames in BE that in OSM are mapped in RU.
372017-10-14 12:16yaugenka
♦151		 We are not talking about the use of languages here, are we? This discussion is only about the correspondence of signs to official names. Both russian and belarusian names are official.
382017-10-16 05:53Jay May I wouldn't say "What is the sense of introducing one extra tag when 99.99% of names correspond to official ones". Given the number of wrong names I corrected on the Belarusian soil, I would say up to 80% of the names do correspond .Let alone the language question - many times the name...
392017-10-16 07:59yaugenka
♦151		 >I would say up to 80% of the names do correspond
Please provide examples of the 20%.
402017-10-16 11:50Jay May I've changed so many of them that now I won't remember everything :) Those Belarusian toponyms I had to change were mainly names with "-ызна" finishing with "-ына" in reality and the other way round (a lot of them), Янава called Янова officially (and ot...
412017-10-16 17:03yaugenka
♦151		 >Янава called Янова officially.
The first one is in Belarusian the second one is in Russaion. So you are mixing languauges here.
>names with "-ызна" finishing with "-ына" in reality
Provide exact examples please.
>Валейкішкі on roadsigns / ...
52781985
by Jay May
@ 2017-10-10 07:41		12017-10-12 21:554004
♦1,882		 Isn't it "operator=BelToll"?
22017-10-13 06:25Jay May What do you mean? That is what I wrote, right? :)
32017-10-13 22:034004
♦1,882		 yeah, you did, but you also added name=BelToll, Jay. Is it really necessary there? It could be argued it's not really the name of the node
42017-10-14 10:33Jay May From a driver’s point of view it is more than useful, especially for drivers wanting to bypass as many toll booths as possiblr. I know what you mean, but I’m afraid putting the whole name “BelToll toll booth for buses, trucks, and non-Customs-Union cars” would not be effectiv...
52017-10-14 17:324004
♦1,882		 I see your point, but I'm just not sure this is correct tagging, adding a name tag just so this is easily discernible on the map. Technically speaking, all public road tolls on Belarusian roads are run by Beltoll, so one should assume it's Beltoll when noticing a booth tagged. To confirm t...
62017-10-16 06:23Jay May There is still a lot of things to agree on those BelToll things. Some people are tagging it "toll=no, toll:hgv=yes", which I don't agree with because all cars which are not from the Customs Union need to pay. We must find a way for that to be reflected on OSM. Are you participating in...
72017-10-16 21:194004
♦1,882		 tagging the toll key is another matter (although an important one), I was originally concerned with the usage of name tag here
52836567
by Tomas Straupis
@ 2017-10-11 18:44		12017-10-15 19:29Jay May Good evening. May I know why you are changing "ežeras" into "ež."? A couple of OSM wiki pages clearly state we mustn't use abbreviations.
22017-10-15 20:16Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Local agreements take precedence over international ones.
32017-10-16 06:02Jay May ... and where is the Lithuanian local agreement?
42017-10-16 06:33Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lithuania
https://lt.wikibooks.org/wiki/Atviro_%C5%BEem%C4%97lapio_vadovas
52711383
by Jay May
@ 2017-10-07 15:50		12017-10-09 12:48juhanjuku
♦51		 Can you please explain why you changed highway classification from secondary to primary for Rapla — Järvakandi — Kergu?
22017-10-10 05:45Jay May Hello. Because I drove there and it is an alternative route to the Via Baltica, just like the road through Lihula. Why do you ask? Do you think it is wrong?
32017-10-10 06:23juhanjuku
♦51		 Estonian OSM community has agreed higways classifications. Primary are highways connecting big citys.
https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%B5himaantee.
Please don't change them.

Also, please don't use Bing aerial images for Estonia because they have big shift. Instead you can use Maaame...
42017-10-10 07:05Jay May Hi again
I understood that, which is why I changed the classification. However, I understand what you mean: if you take the road stretches I changed separately, for sure they are not roads connecting main cities. However, I changed that because I have a vistion of routes as a whole. I think it is a...
52017-10-10 07:14juhanjuku
♦51		 It has been discussion in local OSM forum and about roads classification in Estonia and agreed to stick to wiki definition. It was common decision, so please don't change them.
I reverted your changes.
62017-10-10 07:16juhanjuku
♦51		 Official classification from Estonian authorities:
https://www.mnt.ee/et/tee/eesti-teedevork
72017-10-10 08:37Jay May What about the Western Rapla bypass?
Where is that local agreement? Not that I want to discuss the reverting of all this stretch, but I would like at least the town bypasses to be signed higher than parallel roads leading through city centers
P.S: thanks a lot for your suggestion about maaamet.
82017-10-10 13:12juhanjuku
♦51		 Discussion about road classes was in local OSM forum.
In Estonia we have permission from Maaamet to use state official data. Roads classification around Rapla you can see here:
http://xgis.maaamet.ee/xGIS/XGis?app_id=UU75&user_id=at&bbox=540882.217420021,6537584.08015333,551605.020142087,6...
52540628
by Jay May
@ 2017-10-01 16:10		12017-10-06 07:52Harald Hartmann
♦827		 Hello JayMay. At
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40799359
you have tagged
`name:ру`.
But i couldn't find `py` in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-2_codes
Is it a typo?
22017-10-06 08:17Jay May lol Thanks for highlighting it.
It was supposed to be "name:ru", but I had forgotten to switch the keyboard before writing "ru" so it was writen in Cyrillic as "ру". :D :D :D
I've just corrected it. If you see similar mistakes ru/ру made by myself (sometimes ...
49988701
by Jay May
@ 2017-07-02 16:41		12017-10-01 17:54yaugenka
♦151		 Please do not delete "place" tag from relations/ways.
22017-10-02 05:39Jay May ? What are you talking about?
32017-10-02 07:52yaugenka
♦151		 Here are some examples where you deleted "place" tags from hamlet boundaries. Later on I moved all tag info into the relations.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25139642/history
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25139645/history
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/271970034/history
42017-10-02 09:00Jay May Are you sure it was me? I usually never delete this kind of info unless I want to create a new item or create a new relation between the built-up area and the name of the place (but 3 months ago I didn't even know such things exist ...)
52017-10-02 14:27Jay May I see nothing wrong here.
62017-10-02 17:02yaugenka
♦151		 It is not possible to identify settlement boundary if there is no "place" tag in it. So it is very wrong to delete this tag.
52531653
by yaugenka
@ 2017-10-01 10:02		12017-10-02 14:19Jay May Please revert these changes. I put the right names of the villages. I drive regularly through them. They are called Maly Hudahaj and Stancyja Hudahaj. Only the train station itself is called "Hudahaj" Do not change such things without asking!
52322713
by Jay May
@ 2017-09-24 08:38		12017-10-01 17:31yaugenka
♦151		 Hi. Can you tell why this hamlet was changed to suburb?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1670519816
22017-10-02 05:42Jay May Because it is a suburb and not a village. When you drive there, the Narbuty village limit is precisely where Zarečča is mapped.
32017-10-02 06:10Jay May Now, you are welcome to revert the changes you made.
42017-10-02 17:16yaugenka
♦151		 All our official documents say that Заречье is a separate hamlet. Did you ask people if the hamlets were united into one? It is possible that the sign was put into wrong place.
51820940
by LLlypuk82
@ 2017-09-07 18:28		12017-09-07 20:57Jay May Hello. May I know the reason why you are reverting names?
22017-09-07 21:29LLlypuk82
♦104		 Hello. Yes, of course. According Закон Республики Беларусь от 16.11.2010 №190-З "О наименованиях географических объектов" (http://pravo.newsby.org/belarus/zakon0/z326.htm) geonames in Belarus are assigned and stored in two lan...
32017-09-07 21:47Jay May If I follow your logic, then I should change by default each country/region/village where the majority of the population speaks another language than the one on the roadsigns (for example, I should put Polish in Eastern Lithuania, Russian in Eastern Latvia, Hungarian in Southern Slovakia and to Arab...
42017-09-07 21:50Jay May P.S.: Please note even Russian maps Yandex use Belarusian names as the main ones.
52017-09-07 21:59LLlypuk82
♦104		 Are you sure about Yandex? There is a screenshot https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/sanik82/album/419689/view/1443769
62017-09-07 22:06LLlypuk82
♦104		 You use incorrect analogies. Not simply "the majority of the population speaks another language than the one on the road signs", but majority of the citizens of the Belarus.
72017-09-08 05:07Jay May As soon as I am in front of a computer I will post a screenshot of Yandex (I don't know how to post it over here).
Anyway my point is: OSM is not about politics or personal language preference, but about reflecting the reality and so far we were not doing that in Belarus. I drive there every t...
82017-09-08 06:09Ambush
♦48		 LLlypuk82 OSM is not about language problems of biggest part of country population, it is about reflecting geographical objects in geographical data base. According to law you cited, geographical names assigned in Belarusian, then they are transliterated to Russian because this is the second nation...
92017-09-08 06:20molind
♦8		 Agreed. "name" tag is for name as it written on sign. name:ru and name:by could be filled too. To let users choose what name they want to read. Same value inside name and name:by is ok. First tolds us what should we expect to see and second in 100% times in Belarusian.
102017-09-08 06:39Jay May Screenshots from what I see from my computer on Yandex:
- In English: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/116538206482963449572/album/6463292506880436433/6463292504796189858?authkey=CPHviqDkqcGDfw
- In Russian: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/116538206482963449572/album/6463292506880436433/64632...
112017-09-08 07:27Георгий Ильин
♦3		 Напишу по-Английски ))
@Jay May, thank you for highlighting this in pm. I will reply later.
@LLlypuk82: please understand that this is not against Russian language ))) We have to leave the Russian name, but only in the name:ru tag (unless it appears in Russian on-spot, like for in...
122017-09-08 15:25soya666
♦5		 For example Google Maps https://i.imgur.com/V2SFlRN.png use the names of cities, villages and etc in Belarusian language and łacinka. Google have many users on the world, but all ok for tourists and the population of the country
132017-09-08 16:51yaugenka
♦151		 @Jay May, if you visit Belarus and ask people for directions, you will hardly get a reply in Belarussian language anywhere. That it the reality of our countly and the name tag must reflect that realy. If somebody wants to have names displayed in Belarussian they are free to use the name:be tag which...
142017-09-08 17:31Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 The main argument is the signs of the names of cities and towns that the driver sees. Seen by the driver, should be in the name. The remaining arguments (the internal language policy of the government, the language of communication of local residents) is for other mapping projects.

If the Russian...
152017-09-08 18:06yaugenka
♦151		 The "group of people who contradict the principle of "on-ground"" signs comprize 74% of the pupulation of the country. By introducting this change you would abuse the primary users of OSM Belarus - the citizens of the country.
162017-09-08 19:08Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 You are plotting with official statistics. 74 percent are the urban population. The rural provincial population - the situation on the contrary - there is approximately the same figure Belarusian-speaking population. So we have parity. Or, in plain language, 50 percent of both languages comes out. Y...
172017-09-08 20:31yaugenka
♦151		 @Poliakoff Mykhailo, can you provide any proves of your statement that both language are used 50/50? Have you ever been in our country at all? I myself come from a village and can assure you that no one is speaking Belarusian there, those 26% are mostly located in big cities. I'm just wondering...
182017-09-08 22:08Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 In the project's argument is banners/signs/names of settlements. The argument about who what morvoû talks is not the main one. Map of what is done for turitìv. With the tourist will communicate the convenient to him. You do not mind that the plaques with the names of Belarusian. So...
192017-09-08 23:05yaugenka
♦151		 Your suggestion to have two names in one one tag is out of this topic. We are now talking about replacement of russian names by belarusian ones.
The number of local people using the map for business and leisure is by far bigger than the number of foreign tourists and regardless of what is written o...
202017-09-09 12:52Ambush
♦48		 yaugenka: one more time: Ground Truth rule is not about local traditions and preferences, it's about Ground Truth. And OSM is not a local Belarusian project. It's world wide. So you can't sacrifice billions of planet Earth people to a couple of millions citizens of one little country.
212017-09-09 12:58yaugenka
♦151		 @ambush, it is the question of number of users, not population.
222017-09-09 13:28Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 Yaugenka care less on rules and on the arguments. To him, the main thing that the Russian language everywhere won the Belarusian language. The victory should be by humiliation, discrimination of the Belarusian language. His pattern of behavior in these discussions it confirms absolutely.

232017-09-09 14:54yaugenka
♦151		 @Poliakoff Mykhailo, if you visit Belarus and talk to people you will hardly find anyone talking against the Belarusian language and me is not an exception. You guys are giving favor to foreign tourist, whereas I defent the interest of local people nation-wide, not just some minority.
242017-09-09 14:59molind
♦8		 I think yaugenka just misses main point. There is no negative effect for russian speaking users. Because most applications let users to change language. Open openstreetmap.by and check it yourself. There is no single reason to keep russian instead belarussian in name tag. Only because it's easi...
252017-09-09 15:02Ambush
♦48		 Guys, according to what we discussed here and in personal mail I've reverted this reverting changeset. For me it's a very strange situation to discuss should we follow main OSM rules for Belarus or not. I want to propose to ask DWG to help us if we can't find satisfying decision.
262017-09-09 15:25LLlypuk82
♦104		 OK. What will you propose for situation when road signs have bilingual (or more) inscriptions?
272017-09-09 20:31Jay May - Village, town and city names: name:* in Belarusian only.
- Street signs: this is the tricky part. In Minsk or Brest, the situation is clear (official street signs are all in Belarusian). However, there are some towns or villages without any official street signs, just the name on the street (usua...
282017-09-09 22:24yaugenka
♦151		 Can anyone tell the purpose of the name tag in general? is it just for putting sign info into it and remain them whenever signs get changed?
292017-09-10 08:13Jay May The "name=*" tag in general is to show what is written on the road, street or shop signs, whatever it is.
302017-09-10 13:07Ambush
♦48		 I agree with Jay May. And I want to say that if someone see the name at the road sign in Russian, he can ask local authorities to fix it according to cited law.
312017-09-10 19:32yaugenka
♦151		 What are your aguments for renaming according to the on-ground rule except for "just because it is common convention"?
322017-09-10 20:30Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 Скажыце калі ласка, калі вы рэгістраваліся ў дадзеным праекце вы гатовыя былі паважаць правілы праекта падабаюцца ці не падабаюцца яны вам? Тым у што ваша пытанне з...
332017-09-11 18:50yaugenka
♦151		 @Poliakoff Mykhailo,
I stop any communication with you because are not following the conversation and are making provoking comments.

@Jay May, @Ambush, @mOlind, @Григорий Ильин, @Jaŭhien,
Here are our main arguments against the change.
1. There are no official up-to-date printed ...
342017-09-11 20:17Георгий Ильин
♦3		 My name is Георгий, not Григорий )))) Moreover, I see no provocation from Poliakoff Mykhailo, just emotions. Anyway, guys, please don't get personal (both yaugenka and Mykhailo). Let's keep this discussion calm and constructive.
About your arguments:
1) This doesn't c...
352017-09-11 21:32yaugenka
♦151		 @Георгий Ильин, first let me apologies for the mistyped name. Secondly, let me clarify the points.
Whatever language you select in your settings you will still get the name from "name" tag displayed on http://www.openstreetmap.org and in editors. I think there is no need to ex...
362017-09-11 22:06Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 (@Poliakoff Mykhailo,
I stop any communication with you because are not following the conversation and are making provoking comments.
@Jay May, @Ambush, @mOlind, @Григорий Ильин, @Jaŭhien, )
Согласно сложившейся практики ведения дискуссии ...
372017-09-12 00:09yaugenka
♦151		 @Mykhailo, you already can be banned for changing the data and open calls to continue changing the data while the discussion is still going on.
The above mentioned official internet resource can freely be used for validation. Can you name any alternatives in the Belarusian language?
382017-09-12 05:37Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 (you already can be banned for changing the data and open calls to continue changing the data while the discussion is still going on.)- продублируйте на русском , агнлийский язык для меня совсем чужой , а в переводе Гугл и Майк...
392017-09-12 07:59yaugenka
♦151		 @Mykhailo,
1. you was writing in Enlish very well previously, so the statement that you don't understand English is a cheat.
2. the statement that official sources cannot be relied on is absolutely illogical. The same thing about replying on wikipedia.
3. it is a shame to here from an attorn...
402017-09-12 09:57mavl
♦76,060		 Hello all.

> The local convention for using Russian language in the "name" tag exists from the very beginning of the osm project...

yaugenka, does OSM wiki contain this convention?

Vladimir Marshinin
Data Working Group
412017-09-12 14:214004
♦1,882		 While most of you here provide convincing arguments in favour of name:be->name, yaugenka is correct in pointing out name:be tags don't even cover some areas. Belarusian OSM community has long wanted/struggled to do the switch, but it would leave a map in disarray and possibly introduce chall...
422017-09-12 15:46Jay May @4004: all transition periods have their own issues and there is no problem without any solution ;) Poliakoff Mykhailo seems to know a lot on a similar case: neighboring Ukraine. Anyway, on such technical details I prefer reading your propositions because I'm not as good as you guys yet. But ...
432017-09-12 17:39Ambush
♦48		 And there is not a problem if there will be different languages in name (for objects which haven't name:be filled) because whole OSM name's on the planet are in different languages. If it just haven't any Belarusian alternative, it'll be left in Russian.
442017-09-12 18:08LLlypuk82
♦104		 @mavl
Здесь говорится о соглашении 2009 года:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Belarus:Map_languages
452017-09-12 19:36Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 You must understand that the further delay matters more complicated will be the solution. Take the similar project of Google, there is a fairly well is in difficulties, you're specifying, the Belarusian version of the map. And done it all for the year and a half: Belarusian street caused caus...
462017-09-12 23:22yaugenka
♦151		 @Mykhailo, you are again trying to mislead the discussion. The main argument in defence of this change is that our local convention contradicts the common rule of the on-the-ground signs.
If we start following the common rule it will not be a Belarusian map. It will be a mixture of Belarusian and R...
472017-09-13 04:37mavl
♦76,060		 > Здесь говорится о соглашении 2009 года...

LLlypuk82, thank you very much for it.

> in disputed areas, the name that must appear is the one on the sign

See also [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes]

Belarus is the stable cou...
482017-09-13 06:32Георгий Ильин
♦3		 A disputed area it is not necessarily an area where there is an ongoing war or that is politically unstable.
A disputed area in OSM is also an area where not everyone agrees on the language that should be displayed, and it is the case of Belarus. It is also the case of some regions in stable count...
492017-09-13 06:54Jay May Wow guys, this discussion is really active :D As I'm not getting the notifications on my email, I am always amazed when I enter this thread.
Let us be clear once again (sorry if I repeat what was written a couple of times):
a) As a couple of us pointed out, the agreement shown above violates ...
502017-09-13 07:36Георгий Ильин
♦3		 Yes )))) We are active ))) But I find it is not fair that 2 people are slowing the whole process while we had been discussing these matters for months and we had agreed on making the Belarus map realistic. To me they can be helpful on the technical part, but overall the decision has been made and it...
512017-09-13 08:15Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 A result of our discussion is checking for durability of основообразующего principle of project of on ground/ Ancient римляны to our era created wisdom integrity is stopped up in that . A law is severe, but it is a law. In the original of dura lex sed lex. On the observance o...
522017-09-13 08:364004
♦1,882		 >Belarus is the only former USSR country where the use of Russian has increased. That is a matter of fact. However, all toponyms are in Belarusian
This is (perhaps sadly) not always the case. If you transit/travel through Belarus you might get the impression that Belarusian is indeed used univer...
532017-09-13 09:04Jay May @4004: the majority of us agreed on switching the name tag to Belarusian and to check whether the name:ru tag is filled. This is for toponyms, monuments, and administrative levels (when you travel into Belarus), you see clearly written "Мінская воблсасць" and not "Ми...
542017-09-13 09:294004
♦1,882		 @Jay May
>for toponyms, monuments, and administrative levels
This should work fine for admin levels (100% bilingual I believe). Toponyms will need some work (last figure I've seen was around 70%?), while monuments is debatable, but alas.
Indeed, at the time the convention was agreed there...
552017-09-13 10:09Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 @4004 Monuments are low-level edits. We are now discussing the high-level amendments-human settlements. In Ukraine, monuments of Soviet time survived also in Russian. But they did not become a hindrance to ukrainization even in the Russian-speaking territories of Ukraine. Monuments, I guess not so m...
562017-09-13 10:17Jay May @Poliakoff Mykhailo - Your point is good. You mention the ў, it is usually automatically transliterated automatically into "y" instead of "ŭ" when you switch to another language than Russian. This is why it is extremely important not to forget to transliterate into Latin in the...
572017-09-13 10:314004
♦1,882		 It certainly will look similar, at least at first.
@Poliakoff Mykhailo if we are talking technical points now, such a switch would introduce challenges not only for those without a "ў"-supporting keyboard, but also those confused by 2 languages used side-by-side in similar contexts, be i...
582017-09-13 11:41Jay May @4004 Anyway, nobody is trying to Belarusize business names ;) And about monuments, I had included it for 2 reasons:
- they are always shown in Belarusian on roadsigns
- On those monuments you usually have some sign with the word "каштоўнасць" ("monument" if I'm...
592017-09-13 12:32molind
♦8		 I vote for automatic process. It's easy to break things when manually changing ways and relations.
602017-09-13 12:35Jay May Given what mOlind just mentioned, I also vote for an automatic process.
612017-09-13 13:464004
♦1,882		 @Jay May I believe you might've mixed up monuments (which include Lenin statues and the like) with historical/touristy places, like castles etc. Different things, certainly the historical pois (especially the important/popular ones) would usually have a name:be as well.
Regarding the switch, a...
622017-09-13 13:52Jay May Proofreading is always easier than reading ;) So it is a good solution to make it automatically and switch. Especially that people like Georgij or me are not proficient in some OSM matters yet (like that addr tag)
632017-09-13 14:14Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 I'm for the automatic

Then 2-3 days and on the map will be the Belarusian language. When it appears you will be able to click through all the settlements. To correct to the Belarusian language name: prefix addr: district addr province Also I ask to approve the name tag: en where the name of ...
642017-09-13 14:16Jay May My opinion is that the English tag in that standard would be O.K., but the int_name tag should be in Belarusian Łacinka.
652017-09-13 15:33Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 The result should be reported on the page of the communities of neighboring countries and DWG.
662017-09-14 08:304004
♦1,882		 a forum topic needs to be started on this, and approval from DWG would be nice, before doing anything
672017-09-14 09:034004
♦1,882		 int_name is already filed correctly, in accordance with http://www.pravo.by/pdf/2007-159/2007-159%28027-028%29.pdf
682017-09-14 09:59Jay May O.K.guys. As soon as you start, please provide the link
692017-09-14 11:13Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 I will finalize now the Khotsinsk raion then along the border with the Russian Federation, then the area to the north of the Khotsinsk raion.
702017-09-14 11:234004
♦1,882		 I would propose we wait until there is an agreement on how and when to proceed, and do not attempt anything before that
712017-09-14 11:26Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 how to do the proposed example http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25076922
722017-09-14 11:454004
♦1,882		 aren't you rushing a bit Mykhailo? No agreement has been reached, no DWG approval granted, and it was supposed to be centralized and auto, no "regional tests"
732017-09-14 12:29Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 This format I provided earlier in this discussion. Therefore, we are informed. If something causes you suspicion, express ideas.
742017-09-14 12:34Ambush
♦48		 At the ByOSM Telegram chat we decided to have a meeting to discuss all the technical details, tools and other before doing any automated changes.
Welcome everyone who wants to join this discussion, t.me/byosm
752017-09-14 12:354004
♦1,882		 "We" might be informed, but this is not enough to start implementing changes, and certainly not by doing it on your own in one place.
"Мы" тут, может быть, и в курсе, но этого недостаточно, чтобы начинать что-то меня...
762017-09-14 12:514004
♦1,882		 @Ambush could the osm forum be a better place?
772017-09-14 12:53LLlypuk82
♦104		 You are welcome http://openstreetmap.by/
782017-09-14 12:574004
♦1,882		 that's the renderer that uses name:be if it exists
792017-09-15 00:41yaugenka
♦151		 Until it is completely agreed to change the current local convention, it must be observed! All changes have been reverted.
802017-09-15 06:26Георгий Ильин
♦3		 Jaugenka, I've just gone through the threads of various discussions this morning and you wrote "ничего не трогаем" ("we don't touch anything"). Thus, nobody allowed you to revert any changes, especially given the fact other multilingual names and wikipedi...
812017-09-15 06:33Jay May Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????????????????? Jauhenka deleted all the changes we had all made from the very beginning! As you said Georgij, multilingual changes, but even road changes!
I was Jauhenka was a reasonable person, but I'm afraid what one of the guys told me is right: he is just trying to ...
822017-09-15 07:45yaugenka
♦151		 Fist of all, all of you were warned several times in this thread not to make any changes while the discussion is going on. Secondly, for now only renamings of settlements and admin boundaries have been reverted. I'm yet to analyse what else you have renamed.
832017-09-15 07:49molind
♦8		 Вот только не надо брать на себя святую миссию все откатывать. Это сильно пахнет вандализмом и может закончится баном. Я не оправдываю тех, кто полез переименовыват...
842017-09-15 07:54molind
♦8		 Как я вижу ситуацию на настоящий момент: Переименование будет. Будет по всей стране и в автоматизированном режиме. Ни одно название на русском не пострадает. Все бу...
852017-09-15 07:55molind
♦8		 Кто очень хочет начать переименовывать - вносите name:be, где их нету. Они не потеряются и будут использованы в последующем для name.
862017-09-15 08:58Jay May @yaugenka: O.K. There is an enormous confusion here with people asking to change manually while people discuss about changing automatically, people asking to wait for the automatic change, and people who don't want any change. Nevertheless, that doesn't change the fact that no one gave you...
872017-09-15 09:454004
♦1,882		 >Кто очень хочет начать переименовывать - вносите name:be, где их нету. Они не потеряются и будут использованы в последующем для name
+1 to that (your app is nice btw).
Translation: those who want ...
882017-09-15 10:074004
♦1,882		 Oh, and here is a translation checker
http://latlon.org/~alex73/vulicy.html
892017-09-15 14:32Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 4004 : перестаньте пользуясь что не все грамотньіе технически вводить людей в заблуждение. Указанньіе на офруме проблемі являются вьідуманньіми лично Вами. Поповоду...
902017-09-15 14:434004
♦1,882		 @Poliakoff Mykhailo:
вы меня с кем то путаете? я никого в заблуждение не ввожу, и уж точно ничего не придумываю.
последняя ссылка, которую я тут привел - ближе всего, из того, ...
912017-09-15 15:34Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 а как делаем -- оставляем name:be-tarask и дублируем в name:be? Или name be-tarask переделываем в name be. при этом надо учитыват ь что здесь одинаково то ест ька кбы транслитерация а сог...
922017-09-15 23:574004
♦1,882		 Всем заинтересованным:
-в первую очередь необходимо проверить, что name=name:ru для будущего перехода автоматом. Если name!=name:ru, проверить какой из вариантов соответствуе...
932017-09-16 13:57Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 Есть проблемное село в Хотимском раене Ново-Григорьевка. По белорусски не соотвествует русскому . Искать надо официальное название на белорусском или подтвержден...
942017-09-16 15:37yaugenka
♦151		 @Mykhailo, вам для справки. В одном районе может быть несколько нп с одним названием. Если они отличаются типом (поселок, деревня, снп) то тип нужно обязательно указать в ...
952017-09-16 17:24Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 Изучите правки мои в Хоцінскам раёне. Все о чем вы пишите сделано мною изначально кроме сельсовета . Сейчас заново перегребаю район чтоб всем поставить сельсоветы
962017-09-17 17:01yaugenka
♦151		 Всем НП проставлять сельсовет большой надобности нету. Речь только о тех, у которых повторяется название в рамках одного района.
972017-09-18 05:40Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 то что вы предлагаете, превратить карту в порнографию. Тег используется или нет. Предстоит много подготовительной работы . И нет времени тратить времени на изучени...
982017-09-18 06:36Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 Яугенка всвязи с тем что іВовік занимается занимаеться расизмом ксенофобией и дискриминацией белорусского языка
992017-09-19 21:36yaugenka
♦151		 @Mykhailo, переименовывая addr:* и name:prefix на белорусский вы ломаете существующие программы. Откатывайте свои правки!
1002017-09-20 08:25Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 Праблема Беларусі я бачу не ў сферы тэхналогій, у у тым, што ў кіраўніцтве ўсіх інтэрнэт-праектаў сядзяць людзі якія атрымліваюць дадатковыя матэрыяльныя ўзнагаро...
1012017-09-20 08:37molind
♦8		 И обсуждение скатилось в флуд. Отписываюсь.
1022017-09-20 09:434004
♦1,882		 собственно как и в телеграме. что то менять никто не договаривался
1032017-09-20 11:48Jay May @4004 Which is why I asked for people in Telegram "where are we going" because it is such a mess that it's hard for everyone to get what we should do.
@Mykhailo @Yaugenka - STOP!
1042017-09-20 21:24SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 Hi all - Andy from the Data Working Group here. A couple have people have mentioned the ongoing arguments about language names in Belarus to us, and we'd like to do what we can to help. Obviously we're somewhat aware of the history here (and I've read the various numbers, some confli...
1052017-09-21 06:25Jay May Hi Andy.
I've already sent such pics around a week ago. Please ask your colleague Frederik Ramm. In case you need them again, I can send them once more :)
In short, asI had already told, toponyms are usually in Belarusian (cities, towns, villages, rivers, lakes...) while commercial names are...
1062017-09-21 13:38LLlypuk82
♦104		 Stop, guys. What about our local agreement which was reached in same time as road signs was already in belorussian?
Nothing is changed still. There is no reason to avoid the agreement. Photos have no sense in this case.
1072017-09-22 05:36Jay May The local agreement was perhaps good in a certain context back in 2009. But the context has changed.
1082017-09-24 10:06Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 To improve an electronic geographical map ONLY on signboards confirms the Belarussian WIKI-RULE
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:Belarus:%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%89%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82_%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%...
1092017-09-28 19:34SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 For info, I've just posted this to the BE forum:

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=665838#p665838

All feedback (from everyone who hasn't already commented) gratefully received.
1102017-10-01 09:33Maturi0n
♦44		 I think the most important factor here should be what the local OSM community wants. People from other countries (Poland, Ukraine, Russia, etc) shouldn't dictate the Belarusian community which language they use as their main mapping language. If they agreed to use Russian, this should be respec...
1112017-10-02 06:07Jay May @Maturi0n - I’m aware your heart beats more for the Russian language to be left, but this is not a matter of the local community wanting or not wanting something (and anyway most of the guys who discuss with us do support the Belarusian language or a full ground truth rule). OSM is neither a l...
1122017-10-02 08:33Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 Now the rule according to signs "decides at the earth" works or not. Or the precedent which will do to other countries by a push is created, the fact that there is a wish. Especially it is dangerous to territories of the conflicts where the tomahawk of wars of changes is dug. The Belarusia...
1132017-10-02 08:39Poliakoff Mykhailo
♦754		 in Russian Сейчас решаеться правило по знакам "на земле " работает или нет. Или создается прецедент, который будет толчком другим странам делать , то что хочется. О...
49001894
by Jay May
@ 2017-05-26 13:03		12017-10-01 19:32yaugenka
♦151		 Hi. Please note that alternative names should be put into "alt_name:" tag instead of in breakets of the "name:" tag. Thanks.
22017-10-01 19:45yaugenka
♦151		 and btw where do you take those alterantive names from. I cannot find any reference in our office documents about such names
32017-10-01 19:51yaugenka
♦151		 If those are old names, they should be put int "old_name" tag instead.
42017-10-02 05:40Jay May All my sources are in my profile.
52017-10-02 11:58yaugenka
♦151		 It is not good putting pre-Worl War II names into "name" tag. They should be put in old_name tag instead.
51700536
by Jay May
@ 2017-09-03 19:08		12017-09-22 13:28Jay May I do not understand why my changes have been reversed.

On wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway), it is clearly indicated:
- Highway=trunk: "The most important roads in a country's system that aren't motorways. (Need not necessarily be a divided highway.)"
- ...
22017-09-22 14:35ToeBee
♦183		 You commented on your own changeset. Whoever reverted your changes isn't going to see this. You need to find the changeset that changed the classification back and comment there. Also, I will say that using a proper changeset comment explaining why you changed the highway tag might make it less...
32017-09-22 15:16Jay May O.K. I will revert those changes manually as I don’t have JOSM. Thanks
52152353
by Jay May
@ 2017-09-18 17:44		12017-09-22 07:05Harald Hartmann
♦827		 Hello Jay May. At http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/411066590 you have tagged `hg` instead of `hgv`, right? #typo
22017-09-22 07:34Jay May Hi Harald :)
Yes, it was a typo. It was supposed to be "hgv" :)
Thanks for highlighting that. I corrected it.
48327539
by Jay May
@ 2017-05-02 08:22		12017-09-21 13:31SomeoneElse
♦13,362		 For the avoidance of any doubt - Google Streetview isn't a valid source for OSM (the licence is incompatible). Obviously you may be mapping things from local knowledge here (and just saying "they really do exist; you can look at GSV if you don't believe me!"), and this data has ...
22017-09-22 05:41Jay May Hi Andy. I’ve already been acknowledged with this fact a couple of months ago, after what I stopped using GSV for OSM immediately; but thanks for your reminder. Kind regards. Jerry
32017-09-22 05:42Jay May P.S.: in this case I hadn’t used GSV, but I wrote that because one specific user from LT kept deleting my changes and I was angry...
52034334
by Jay May
@ 2017-09-14 11:35		12017-09-15 08:13LidaCity
♦33		 вандал!
22017-09-15 08:30Jay May ?
52026686
by pavel-kulik
@ 2017-09-14 06:07		12017-09-14 06:49Jay May Hello Pavel :)
Thanks for participating in our effort to make the map more realistic.
However, please bear in mind we agreed to:
step a) Copy "name:be" to "name"
step b) Leave the Russian name in "name:ru".
In this case, I'm afraid you removed totally the &quo...
22017-09-14 08:284004
♦1,882		 Anyone with josm at hand, please revert
32017-09-14 08:404004
♦1,882		 nevermind, done
42017-09-14 08:54Jay May @4004 We should explain to Pavel-kulik that the aim of the changes is not to delete the Russian names, but to put them at the right place...
52017-09-14 09:324004
♦1,882		 I (and possibly others) messaged him before trying to understand his logic and guide him, but got no reply, so has been wary of his changes
62017-09-14 09:35Jay May Then his account should be suspended. At least temporarily
72017-09-14 10:044004
♦1,882		 reported to DWG
82017-09-15 04:25mavl
♦76,060		 Здравствуйте, pavel-kulik. Спасибо за участие в проекте OpenStreetMap.

Участники проекта заметили, что вы удаляете признаки (теги) name:be и name:ru и меняете значение признака name. ...
50951620
by Jay May
@ 2017-08-08 18:34		12017-08-09 10:15juhanjuku
♦51		 Why you connected waterway and highway with node?
Node: Valka (LV) - Valga (EST) (5022787218)
22017-08-09 10:49Jay May Sorry, I do not understand your question... Where exactly?
32017-08-09 10:53juhanjuku
♦51		 Select below in your changeset node
Node: Valka (LV) - Valga (EST) (5022787218)
and you see the place
42017-08-09 10:57Jay May I am unable to see the exact place.
Anyway, I don't remember merging a waterway and a waterway with a node. So it is most probably a mistake from myself. Could you please correct it?
52017-08-09 11:04juhanjuku
♦51		 Its border point where highways Semināra iela & Sepa intersect with stream Varžupīte.
You can see error in Osmose.
I can correct it.
62017-08-09 11:08Jay May Aaa. now I see it. Actually my aim was to merge the border point on the bridge so it is in phase both with the national LV/EST border, as well as with the river (Varžupite). However, that border point must be on the bridge.
I was also looking for the Estonian name of that river, but haven't f...
50582202
by Jay May
@ 2017-07-26 09:34		12017-07-31 15:45mueschel
♦6,565		 Hi,
could you explain all the name tags of this node?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4858193412
I doubt it has this name with '3.5 t'
22017-08-01 07:13Jay May Hi :)
Sure! This is for people using OSM-based GPS apps (ex.: maps.me) to know which lane is for regular cars (≤3.5t meaning “for vehicles with a weight up to 3,5 tons), and which one is for trucks (TIR, abbreviation of Transport International Routier, is understood by every truck driver u...
32017-08-01 14:30mueschel
♦6,565		 We do have a clear policy that the name tag contains just the actual name and does not contain any description. For this you can use tags like maxweight or hgv. If tools like maps.me do not support this, request them to adapt to common OSM tagging rules.
42017-08-01 17:40Jay May One question: what will it change for OSM if those border control tagged names are not visible to regular OSM users anyway?
52017-08-01 18:15mueschel
♦6,565		 Who is a "regular osm user"? There are hundreds of different maps and tools around. All of them render different things. And for example searching for names gets increasingly difficult if we add arbitrary information to the name tag.
62017-08-01 18:52Jay May I'm afraid this is not arbitrary info. It is useful info, otherwise I wouldn't waste my time to look for it and reflect it on OSM. Rules are there as an indication, and may sometimes be wrong Some of them must be changed.
You state the policy on names it clear. I'm afraid it isn...
50159972
by Jay May
@ 2017-07-09 19:21		12017-07-10 07:44Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Do NOT delete name:lt tags.
22017-07-11 09:11Jay May Do NOT write in big letters (this shows aggressiveness) and do NOT delete my changes on Kareivių g. Thank you.
32017-07-11 12:11Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Please read the manual and stop adding crap data to the map and I will not delete it because I have NEVER deleted any good data.
42017-07-11 16:07Jay May You have deleted good data already a couple of times (useful border crossing info, names, and so on), and you thought nobody would discover it. Not only from me, but other users. Stop assuming you know everything better than everyone. Kareivių g. being widened, and such data is useful both for OSM ...
52017-07-11 16:21Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 I did try showing you your errors, but you bluntly ignored my guidance and continued random mapping. So I have no other option than to revert your changes.
Widening of Kareivių does not need new vectors as there will be no physical barriers. Once again, instead of complaining you should better rea...
49301713
by Jay May
@ 2017-06-06 10:58		12017-06-18 14:22Nearo
♦16		 Hello Meijerry,

In this changeset you changed the French name of Maastricht, and the English name of Nijmegen. While these names were used in the past, both cities are currently referred to with their Dutch name. The French and English version are not in use anymore. Therefore I would like to kin...
22017-06-19 06:37Jay May Hello Nearo.
As a French guy, I can tell you it is true Maëstricht is not used by the current generation, but I stilll know elderly people who use it.
About reverting changes: I am abroad right now & I can hardly access any computer. Could you please revert those changes for me this time?...
32017-06-19 21:14Nearo
♦16		 Hey Jerry,

I just changed the name:fr tag of Maastricht to old_name:fr. Furthermore I found some old documents where Nijmegen is referred to as Nimeguen in English, so I did the same with the name:en tag there.

Kind regards,
Nearo
42017-06-20 04:22Jay May Thanks :)
49262552
by Jay May
@ 2017-06-05 08:44		12017-06-05 10:31Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Reverted random destruction of highway classification.
22017-06-05 15:22Jay May This is no highway... I have friends living in that part of the city and I drove there 2 days ago. That street is not asphalted, bumpy, and not suitable for big traffic.
32017-06-05 16:21Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Please study according to what principles ways are classified. Paved, not paved, bumpy or not has absolutely no influence on classification.
Good rule is to NOT edit what is already entered, because most of the time you're destroying good data and I could one day decide to revert full changes...
42017-06-05 18:22Jay May Following your logic, Tomas, it means OSM is useless because you can't correct mistakes from previous users nor add forrest tracks for bikers, nor update road classification changes, etc. OSM's advantage is that if any change has been seen on spot, it can be made immediately. If some roads...
49261280
by Jay May
@ 2017-06-05 08:02		12017-06-05 10:27Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Reverted random destruction of routing tag „noexit“.
22017-06-05 15:23Jay May ?
32017-06-05 15:52Jay May What is that "noexit" tag?
42017-06-05 16:22Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 If you do not know what that tag is and how it is used, then do NOT change its values.
52017-06-05 18:10Jay May First of all: I'm not your child, so please speak nicer to me. I am pretty confident I'm older than you are.
Second: if I touched it not knowing what it is, it means I didn't do it on purpose.
Third: you didn't answer my question: what is that "noexit" tag?
49263356
by Jay May
@ 2017-06-05 09:10		12017-06-05 10:36Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Reverted random incorrect classification.
22017-06-05 15:25Jay May ? Incorrect classification of what?
49051984
by Jay May
@ 2017-05-28 18:31		12017-05-29 20:04RichRico
♦81		 Hi meijerry,
Thanks for contributing with osm, the names according with wikidata are different the names that you modified
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q743218
regards
22017-05-30 09:21Jay May Are you referring to Janów nad Wilią in Polish and Янава in Belarusian?
Janów na Wilią is available in a couple of sources, among which wikimapia http://wikimapia.org/739189/pl/Jan%C3%B3w-nad-Wili%C4%85 and Янава is the traditional Belarusian name (https://be-tarask.wikip...
32017-05-30 12:11Jay May Added "Janów" in alt_name:pl and "Ёнава" in alt_name:be.
For Belarusian names abroad, I will try to add always the traditional name as primary as that is the one that is used by Belarusian speakers (and not simple transliterations) :) Any additional questions, feel ...
48964859
by Jay May
@ 2017-05-25 07:15		12017-05-26 19:00RichRico
♦81		 Hi meijerry
Thanks for contributing with OSM,
I found a changeset in the name of the place:town Salacgrīva according Wikidata Q659665 the name is "name:pl=Salacgrīva" and not "name:pl=salis".
Maybe you have a another explanation for the name Salis.
Regards
22017-05-26 19:39Jay May Hi! Sure. In this specific case it is wikipedia in Polish (though it is shown as a historical name). I know it sounds more Lithuanian than Polish, but well... you know how it is in PL/BY/LT/LV where Baltic names tend to be mixed with Slavic ones. As I know wikipedia is far from perfect, for other Po...
48570950
by Jay May
@ 2017-05-10 18:40		12017-05-10 19:35Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Note that it is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE to use Google Maps or Google Street View for OSM. My advice is to revert all changes promptly and read terms of usage of any source you use BEFORE using them. In this case it would be good thing to read Google terms of service.
22017-05-12 07:18Jay May Change reverted (it was only one field road ...)
32017-05-12 07:46Jay May Btw, I read those Google terms. There is only one mention that may make you think it is a criminal offence (but this sentence is still ambiguous): "No incorporating Google software into other software. You will not incorporate any software provided as part of the Service into other software.&qu...
42017-05-12 08:28Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 This paragraph is regarding software. Regarding data Google has stated numerous times that it is not allowed to vectorise data from google sattelite imagery, google maps or google street view.
48416514
by Jay May
@ 2017-05-05 07:25		12017-05-05 09:15Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Reverted some incorrect changes of stream names.
22017-05-05 13:55Jay May Aaaaaaaaa. I wanted to fill them in Polish, not in the "name" tag".
Thanks.
32017-05-05 13:55Jay May (I mean: in "name:pl" and not in "name")
48331808
by Tomas Straupis
@ 2017-05-02 11:02		12017-05-02 11:23Jay May Hi Tomas, why do you keep deleting the border checkpoint limits? I enter them so it is clear where they are, and so do OSM users around the world.
Moreover, I had created a couple of lanes on the Lavoriškės checkpoint in order to ease border crossing for people ("All passports", &...
22017-05-02 11:30Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Because these (and a lot of other) objects are not tagged according to OpenStreetMap wiki information. Randomly mapped data is useless and it only introduces unnecessary complexity.
As per mapping agreements in Lithuania lanes are NOT mapped as separate vectors bur rather as additional lane tags on...
32017-05-03 07:44Jay May You could have written that earlier - we are people, aren't we? It is important to talk. I am new to openstreetmap and so far, absolutely no one in Latvia, Belarus, Russian or Poland made any problem out of my changes to any border checkpoint, road, name, etc.as the aim is to be as accurate as ...
42017-05-03 08:35Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 As far as I know nobody in the countries you mention is doing hourly changeset review. I did see a number of errors outside Lithuania, so somebody sometime WILL notice them and do something about it.
By "randomly" I mean that you did not check the meaning/usage of tags in OSM wiki. You wo...
47998055
by Jay May
@ 2017-04-21 10:08		12017-04-24 11:03poornibadrinath
♦176		 Hi meijerry,
I came across your edits and noticed while you added the town name, you have deleted the place=town tag itself. Please be careful when you are editing and ensure you are not deleting any valuable data while editing a feature. Thanks!
Best,
Poornima
22017-04-24 18:33Jay May Hi Poornima!
Thanks for your note.
How can I see where is the mistake I made? I see only a zone, but not the place itself.
Kind regards
Jerry
32017-04-26 06:30poornibadrinath
♦176		 Hi Jerry, This is the node for which you deleted the town tag. You can open the node in JOSM and check. http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/317360830
Poornima
42017-04-26 08:37Jay May Wow, I hadn't even seen I deleted it! Thanks!
48119343
by Jay May
@ 2017-04-25 10:35		12017-04-25 16:16Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Atstatytas teisingas (oficialus) gyvenvietės pavadinimas „Elzbietina“.
22017-04-25 18:07Jay May O.K. Ačiū
48084712
by Jay May
@ 2017-04-24 09:24		12017-04-25 06:05Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Reverted surface to asphalt, because Lithuanian road agency says that is the surface of this road.
22017-04-25 06:19Jay May Hmmm. Strange. Last time I drove there it was a horrible dirt road. I will try to check it out one of the next times I drive to Poland.
47996337
by Jay May
@ 2017-04-21 09:06		12017-04-21 10:10Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 restored incorrectly deleted place=village on node 3093855128

http://osmhistory.appspot.com/changeset/47996337
22017-04-21 10:39Jay May Thanks. My computer crashed when I was modifying that one ...
47972121
by Jay May
@ 2017-04-20 13:33		12017-04-21 07:07Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 „(rejon wileński)“ is definitely NOT part of the NAME in any language.
22017-04-21 09:47Jay May Which name are you talking about? Sometimes when you add a name in a language it automatically adds some indications like "rejon wileński" and so on. Perhaps it is somehow linked with Wikipedia?
32017-04-21 10:07Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 I do not use iD. I just see that data had name:pl="Kiemiany (rejon wileński)"

http://osmhistory.appspot.com/changeset/47972121
42017-04-21 10:38Jay May Hmmm... Strange. Anyway, as I told you - I remember it was made automatically. Perhaps to distinguish it from the village Кемяны on the other side of the border, which is also called "Kiemiany" in Polish. Technology mysteries :D
47992384
by Jay May
@ 2017-04-21 06:32		12017-04-21 07:13Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 Please do not change local names without knowledge on how they are used.
22017-04-21 09:45Jay May Hi. I live in Vilnius, I went already 3 times to Varnikai and I know people in this institution: http://www.vstt.lt/VI/index.php. The official name is Varnikų pažintinis takas and not Varnikų gamtos takas. Moreover, please have a look by yourself:
http://www.15min.lt/pasaulis-kiseneje/naujiena/p...
32017-04-21 10:04Tomas Straupis
♦1,951		 OK. Changed name to „Varnikų pažintinis takas“ on all objects (ways, pois and relation).