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| 48458978 | ika-chan! | Hi, I have replied to your idea about making greater use of trunk roads for Nation Roads by using E-Roads as the main criteria. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ika-chan!#May_2017_changes - and please, use comments for edits as major as this. |
| ika-chan! | I should add that at a grade separated junction at https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/39.58429/22.07242, should the slip roads leading directly from the trunk road be trunk_link? |
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| 48487471 | ika-chan! | I don't know what is the idea behind this changeset since you haven't left a changeset comment. Where you upgraded a secondary road, I think that the new road may be yet another "high-quality" provincial road like Karditsa to Larissa. |
| JayCBR | i dont think this road is an upgrade to ΕΠ1, it should be separate as an unofficial national highway (it is designed to link A2 to Edessa).ΕΠ1 can be secondary, following its original route |
| JayCBR | i also think Karditsa - Larissa should be trunk because it would serve as a link between Larisa and A3 |
| ika-chan! | I disagree with Karditsa - Larissa being trunk because the Thessaly government refers to this as a (albeit high quality) provincial road and I did my research on that (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Greece/National_Road_Network#Not_National_Roads). There is no evidence that it h... |
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| 39508436 | Jothirnadh | Hello JayCBR,Came across this changesets and found that you deleted the names of this street https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/278489664/historyYour changeset also didn't have any proper comment, so not able to quantify the reason of deleting these tags. Can you please specify the reason. Al... |
| JayCBR | well there is a restructuring of provincial roads in progress and this area is not complete yet (ΕΟ3β is a branch of the main way and havent decided on a name at the time)..i do most of my edits with P2 and when i save is because ram is running out, so no time for comments |
| SomeoneElse | Hi JayCBR,If you have to save in an emergency and aren't able to leave a suitable comment, you could always return to the changeset later and add a comment in the changeset discussion. That way other mappers will still be able to see what the changeset was about.Hope you don't mind me mentionin... |
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| 36955394 | ika-chan! | Hi, The A1 south of Liosion/Dimokratias Avenue near Agioi Anargyroi has a name: Kifisou Avenue. Please be more careful with the names. |
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| 44815990 | ika-chan! | Why are you deleting turn restrictions without a good reason? |
| ika-chan! | Sorry, I am having a really bad morning today, but I should be a bit more gentle instead of direct - however, turn restrictions are there to acknowledge the signs and the general traffic flow that exist as a result of the signs. And please, try putting changeset comments in every changeset, like I t... |
| JayCBR | i was correcting vandalism by Γιάννης4, so his turn restrictions dont apply..pls have your eyes open for any suspicious edits by him |
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| 42516435 | Amaroussi | This is quite a big changeset, but where are the changeset comments? Otherwise, we don't know the reason for it. |
| JayCBR | you know who i am and that everything i do i backed by official sources and common sense, do i need to explain every single thing? |
| Amaroussi | Simple notes like "Road classifications updated according to OKXE" or "Landuse and local roads added" will do perfectly fine. Many experienced mappers like me and woodpeck (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/woodpeck/history) do that. |
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| 40183091 | Javier Gutiérrez | Hello there,great job on mapping on Macedonia.I have seen some issues reported by OSM Inspector on the farmlands you created. It seems they are not complete. http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=areas&lon=24.63313&lat=40.94703&zoom=17&opacity=0.26Could you please fix th... |
| JayCBR | hello there, these "farms" were messing with roads and residential areas..i think farms include animals, this is just cultivated land..anyway i dont think we need to map them |
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| 39740565 | manoharuss | Hey JayCBR, appreciate your edits on OSM. But this highway https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/27315455 you changed from secondary to teritiary and teritiary to secondary again from version 21 of the OSM way. You changed ref to old_ref and old_ref to reg_ref as well. Along with that, in your final e... |
| JayCBR | there is a reconstruction of provincial network in progress, you should visit the greek wiki and forum..we the community decided for all provincial roads to be secondary (unless unpaved) |
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| 39479062 | PlaneMad | Hi Jay, noticed you removed the tags for this road https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/275784052 . Was it accidental or were the tags incorrect? |
| JayCBR | we try to reconstruct the whole road network, including creation of missing relations, correcting names and refs..after extensive talks in the forum we decided to tag provincial roads with reg_ref=ΕΠ# and include the names of the destinations, after consulting the map provided by okxe..yo... |
| PlaneMad | Thank you! |
| PlaneMad | Maybe you can use JOSM, which is easier to use for such large changes :) |
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| 38822868 | zool | I'm really surprised to see a phallic symbol scrawled on the map in the midst of an otherwise constructive looking changeset. Reverting on behalf of DWG. |
| zool | This changeset has been reverted fully or in part by changeset 38849997 where the changeset comment is: |
| nikospag | I am not supporting JayCBR here, but I just want to be fair. And I will not be polite with you.I think you have a big (and sick) imagination and I am sorry that you are member of DWG. First of all, many parts of the "supposed" phallic symbol have been designed by another user. But anywa... |
| Amaroussi | Hi, I have investigated the source of the phallic symbol and I have written to both nikospag and zool in private message. |
| Amaroussi | Oh, and I forgot to say that JOSM users who wish to investigate the history of the offending object independently may use the reverter plugin and then look up the history of the offending parts. |
| nikospag | Thank you Amaroussi, you are right. He put an unacceptable ref tag too on these roads.I am taking back what i said to zool. Sorry zool, my mistake. |
| zool | nikospag phew! I am glad i have not incurred your wrath.The longer block was applied after consultation with DWG because we hope for and expect better from a serious mapper like JayCBR. I didn't take a screenshot but the edit was definitely a short, isolated area in the shape of an enormous cock... |
| nikospag | Zool, I can see your point of view, and I agree that we can’t use vandalism to fight vandalism. But, in my opinion, JayCBR’s block should be shorter (eg. 2 days) because his intention was to send a message to Γιαννης 4, as the latter one didn’t... |
| zool | Cheers nikospag. You might have noticed now that I revoked JayCBR's block early this morning, at his contrite request. And I know the edit patterns of Γιαννης 4 are a serious ongoing problem and I would like to take harsher action, but 96 hours is the longest block ... |
| nikospag | OK thank you. |
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| 37121562 | JayCBR | i just changed old_ref to reg_ref, also their routes were wrong |
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| 37080630 | Amaroussi | I disagree with making that national road secondary: Just because Karystos is merely a town doesn't mean that the Greek government considers the road to there unimportant. |
| nikospag | I disagree too. This road can't be a secondary road. |
| JayCBR | you guys..i thought you agreed on this scheme (roads connecting towns to be secondary)..instead of moving forward we go back? ps: EO44 in fact ends in Lepoura |
| nikospag | I've noticed a strange conflict in this system.We can not classify a road as secondary, that it has EO prefix at the same time, meaning that is characterized as National road by legal documents. Exceptions are National roads that have been replaced at a later time (after 1998).Exception example is... |
| Amaroussi | What I was trying to say is usually (in many countries), classified roads determines the status, with very limited exceptions (e.g. totally impassable or no cars in Hydra). Then, because a lot of new roads in Greece are unclassified, connecting roads are tagged according to their overall condition b... |
| nikospag | This conversation must be transferred to the forum. I will open a topic and i will copy-paste all comments from here |
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| 35774121 | Amaroussi | As far as I know, Λεωφόρος Ελευθερίου Βενιζέλου is not a national road, according to any source that I have seen. |
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| 36721131 | GerdP | Hi there!Please review highway=s on https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254070869I am not a local. It looks like a highway=residential to me. Is it really a oneway=yes ? |
| JayCBR | well this troubled me too..it was already a secondary link..i just changed the type of linki dont know for sure if its oneway..its very narrow and it looks like an exitalso there is an underpass serving the opposite direction |
| GerdP | well, whatever you decide should be better than highway=s ;-) |
| JayCBR | well i typed s for secondary link to appeardidnt noticed it..i thought yours was a typo..i guess it was easier for you to send 2 messages than fix it |
| GerdP | as I said, I am not a local and I don't know the correct attributes, I just noticed the typo. |
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| 35113939 | Amaroussi | Hi, "nat_ref" is not supposed to completely replace "ref", if that is the default (national) ref on the maps. |
| JayCBR | ref can be used for road with consistent numbering, like most motorways..if a road doesnt have any signs showing its number, but does have an official number then we tag it with nat_ref |
| JayCBR | also there are roads like Chalastra - Evzonoi where the official number is ΕΟ1α, but EO1 is used..so nat_ref=EO1α, ref=EO1 |
| Amaroussi | Hi, I should clarify that if the actual ref is different, then that is fine: however, if the "nat_ref" is the only value, then "ref" should also be that since "nat_ref" is not supposed to completely replace "ref". :-) |
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| 34021961 | Amaroussi | How on earth EO56a/EO91 is a motorway? I know that only standard blue direction signs exist there. |
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| 32221175 | Amaroussi | Hi, why did you delete names from some ways, like https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/352319225? |
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| 31994401 | Amaroussi | Hi, there was no road along way No. 165336988. Whether it was a mistake or not, please be careful. |
| JayCBR | i was only changing admin levels, i dont know how this happened |
| Amaroussi | Pressing "R" accidentally may be a problem because that key copies all the attributes from the previously selected way. This is why I personally prefer using JOSM instead of Potlatch, 95% of the time. |
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| 32230079 | Amaroussi | I should point out that there are some shorter ways due to the detail of the junctions, and you should take time to double check that you have not missed any ways. Cheers! |
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| 31587496 | fx99 | your edits (without comments) seam to cause some problems with Greece admin boundaries, see eg. http://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.php/10-osm-reports/207-countries-compare-2015-06-01 |
| JayCBR | its work in progress, so there will be some missing until i finishits difficult to explain every single change, i do an extensive update to prefectures and regional units |
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| 29826663 | Amaroussi | Hi, 'link' ways like "highway=primary_link" is intended for slip roads rather than the main carriageway. "highway=primary" is the right tag for the main carriageway. |
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| 29865157 | Amaroussi | Hi, primary_link and secondary_links are supposed to be for slip roads instead of the main carriageway. |
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| 31117191 | Amaroussi | Please stop contracting Εθνική Οδός to ΕΟ: it is annoying and we are not supposed to be mapping just for the renderer. |
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| 31117696 | Amaroussi | I already saw your proposal but I have no idea as to how Thessaloniki is 57: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:GR#Departments_and_self-governed_part. Attiki should use 00 instead of A1, otherwise there will be confusion with motorways. |
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| 29902198 | Amaroussi | Hi,In this changeset, you deleted "name" tags from main roads. That was the common default name in the local (Greek) language and is one of the core building blocks of the map. |
| zool | Have the names been replaced or restored since? |
| JayCBR | we reached to an agreement with others in the wiki about this roads i dont know if amaroussi changed something |
| Amaroussi | I had to restore the names and some of the original classifications on the night of 3rd April (http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29963819) on the EO2 only, pending further consultation from other users. This was the night before we had the IRC chat.Until we find more opinion on the classi... |
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| 30076250 | zool | hi JayCBR,There are a lot of changes listed in this changeset. It would be clearer for others if you could upload in smaller changesets.In the edits here, there's been a particular query about the National Road 8 classification - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/31640151/history#map=15/37.93... |
| JayCBR | in the official National Highway Registry of 1998 states that EO104 follows this path..the problem is that it contradicts itself later on |
| JayCBR | the re-classification is according to what we agreed herehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Greece |
| zool | Right, in the history of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Greece I see a lot of your own edits recently, but I don't have a sense that this wiki page reflects community agreement yet. |
| JayCBR | you realize we are few (actually amaroussi and i are the only ones active editors for the past months)! i have contacted everyone i could find from osm and skyscrapercity (there is an ongoing debate there), send them the national road registry and asked for feedback about the wiki (last time someone... |
| JayCBR | about EO104 can be used only where an older third road existsi made road numbering specific articles based on the 1998 Registry of National Highwaysyou can download here http://dlib.statistics.gr/portal/page/portal/ESYE/showdetails?p_id=14551335&p_derive=book&p_topic=10008076 |
| zool | Understood, I am assuming good faith here, only suggesting that you slow down while the issue is causing some contention between mappers... |
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| 29581515 | zool | dear JayCBR,In this changeset and others you have made some quite sweeping changes to the OSM database. It would be helpful to others if you'd leave a comment when you create a changeset; also consider uploading changes in smaller batches.Please consult others in the OSM community before mak... |
| JayCBR | dear zool,greek osm community is rather small to non-existenti only managed to find 2-3 other guys and they were also troubled and confused about the greek numbering and classification systemi made a post to the forum with some simple rules so we can discussnot much happened though in terms ... |
| Amaroussi | Hi,I am well aware that the Greek OSM community is patchy, but I am confident that not all major urban avenues with traffic lights qualify as motor-road. At the time I was only complying with what is recommended on the wiki to respect the existing structure. Your edits took me by surprise, hence... |
| zool | Thanks for your response JayCBR, the offer to revert in a few places is generous and may still be necessary. I hope that Amaroussi's effort at a consolidating wiki page proves useful to you. Good luck, both of you! |
| Amaroussi | I will do my best, but at this time I am studying and I may be very busy until mid-June. Sorry in advance for any inconvenience this may cause. |
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| 29891202 | JayCBR | the government decision states clearly that EO4 begins at Alexandria, not Halkidona |
| JayCBR | National Road 1 is only one (it just takes the prefix A for motorway parts) so its not a separate roadthe original route should be named ΠΕΟ1 so people can know where the old road was.So section Katerini-Alexandria-Halkidona-Gefyra-Evzonoi should be ΠΕΟ1.K... |
| Amaroussi | Hi there,I've been told by ea1969 the Greek road enthusiast that EO1 has indeed not been totally replaced, hence not all sections are ΠΕΟ1 in practice. Probably not the first one to think that section was EO4, since AiNikolas ninja'd me (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/269442... |
| JayCBR | well if we label the old road as EO1, what happens to the parts of A1 that are not motorways? |
| Amaroussi | It turns out that according to http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=122896886&postcount=2155, the part of A1 that are not motorways is in fact EO1a.On a side note, I would refrain from marking the slip roads as part of the main road unless it was a grade separated junction, such as a... |
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| 29890028 | JayCBR | the green road is replacing a road which is vertical (EO3), EO2 should follow its original course..if people prefer to use the green one it doesnt mean we should rename it |
| Amaroussi | If people prefer to use the green one, then that is the reality on the road and such situation should be respected. Until you joined in, the stretch of road in question was happily sharing numbers without problems. |
| Amaroussi | I forgot to add that the EO2 will only follow its original course if the green road in question later becomes the A27: there is currently no time-line for the upgrade of that part yet. |
| JayCBR | tell me you dont like how neat it looks |
| Amaroussi | Hello,It is not about how neat it is, but how we reflect reality: I've asked ea1969, another Greek road enthusiast (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=122885298&postcount=2152), and he has confirmed to me that EO2 and EO3 currently follows the bypass although occasionally there are... |
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| 29871055 | Amaroussi | The road in red is pretty much an old national road of orange, due to the bypass (in Green). That should be PEO2/PEO3 now. Please take new roads built after the 1963 list into account. |
| JayCBR | the green road is replacing EO3 going vertical, EO2 should continue its course horizontally through Florina |
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| 29815602 | Amaroussi | I have no idea about how way 335286473 could be a short motorroad. While usage should be considered, such dramatic transitions, if that term is right, ruins the quality of the map. Please be more careful about the massive changes to road classifications without giving a good reason and seeking secon... |
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| 29424902 | Amaroussi | Hi, EO48 used to go via Amfissa, but it has since been diverted. It appears that you have used an old source (Greek law ΦΕΚ Β 319/23.7.1963) without considering recent developments as I have done. |
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| 29355770 | Amaroussi | I kindly enquire as to where are the official sources that show that this part of EO1 has become PEO1? (sorry for my use of Latin characters out of hurry) Kindly note that the A1 has not completely replaced EO1. |
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| 29347919 | Amaroussi | Hi, where are the "official sources" that prove that the EO1 went to Thessaloniki and not Evzoni? |
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| 29273863 | Amaroussi | It looks as if you have deleted quite a lot of nodes and changed the road's ref from the National EO2 to the European E86, whereas the ref is for national numbers. You wouldn't mind explaining the reason why?Amaroussi. |