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| 3242052 | user_5359 | Hello! What is the meaning of your different ways only marked with name=Sandhills? Please see http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nEs |
| stevea | These are a unique-to-the-area geological formation of rock/sand which give rise to the frequent quarries in the area (many largely "played out" and now closed). In the middle Miocene epoch (about 15 million years ago) this area was underwater/ocean and today these areas are often part of... |
| user_5359 | Did you read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:natural? |
| stevea | Many times, but there are no values for that key which seem appropriate. It may be time to "coin" one (make one up). However, it is so local and unique, that I have been reluctant to do this.You might do a Google search on "Santa Cruz sandhills" or look at http://www.santac... |
| user_5359 | I see some similarities with a dune. Did you know the Dune of Pilat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_of_Pilat, http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2244861#map=15/44.5888/-1.2179 )?The parts with fossils can be marked with https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:geological%3Dpalaeontological... |
| stevea | Thank you, although these are much more geologically and biologically rich than a simple sand dune. They are a wholly unique feature on the landscape. Some of them actually are protected within boundary=protected_area, protect_class=1a, 6 or 7, however, when they fall upon private property (as the... |
| stevea | Now I believe that geological=outcrop might be about right, but it's still pretty rough. |
| stevea | I have added geological=outcrop to these data, along with a FIXME tag which describes them as rough and needing additional refinement. Thank you for your help! |
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| 46720785 | mueschel | Hi,You uploaded a huge sset of objects, which are mainly tagged with foreign tags which most likely should not appear in Osm. Could you check and correct this?JanExamples: ACCESS_TYP=Open Access ACRES=48.743 AGNCY_ID=1328 AGNCY_LEV=City AGNCY_NAME=Scotts Valley, City... |
| stevea | I wouldn't say "huge" as it is a few dozen edits over the course of a few hours in a single day (and I'm not done yet) against the over 12,000 edits I have entered over the last eight years.Is your problem with "foreign tags?" I kept these in to distinguish these CPAD polygo... |
| mueschel | I didn't complain about the import of the polygons as such. That's fine if it is done carefully.I'd suggest to keep one ref tag only, like ref:CPAD. This should be sufficient to allow for future updates. Other tags like ACRES and COUNTY are just redundant because they can easily be retrieved f... |
| stevea | Thank you for your quick reply. I can certainly endeavor to reduce and/or conflate tags on future CPAD polygon entries, as I do agree that they do contain a large amount of metadata. Some is useful and some is not (to OSM) and as long as a polygon in OSM can be identified as mapping back to a uniq... |
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| 41374732 | schleuss | Whoo! |
| stevea | Hey, come on, it's just a stub of the old Anaheim to Santa Ana branch from the 1870s-1880s. A lot of the rest has been "subsumed" by I-5 and I'm trying to get California rail to be more complete. You're kidding, right?! (Choo!) |
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| 38772657 | Richard | It shouldn't really be either, tbh! Nowhere else in the world is a mountain bike route tagged as route=bicycle - that's what route=mtb is for.I've pretty much given up arguing this one but I wish at least people could agree on a static (albeit wrong) network/ref combination - I've now got to spe... |
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| 26152086 | mstriewe | This changeset added "bicycle=shoulder" to some highways, which is used nowhere else. Did you mean "cycleway=shoulder" instead (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway#Other_values)? |
| stevea | OK, I believe I have changed all bicycle=shoulder tags to cycleway=shoulder. |
| ElliottPlack | Steve, a question about the US 340 / MD 67 Interchange. MD SHA specifically prohibits bicycles on this section of US 340. Does the USBR trump that prohibition, or perhaps could the SHA data not be up to date? I am working with SHA bike planners on building a signed, numbered, state-wide bicycle netw... |
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| 29839421 | maxerickson | Are the duplicate overlapping sections of the Jefferson City Subdivision here an accident or unfinished work? One end of it here, continues for some ways:https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/335497374 |
| stevea | It seems to be an accident. I welcome any corrections you or anybody else more familiar than I am with the Jefferson City Subdivision can offer. |
| maxerickson | I don't have any specific knowledge of the area, JOSM flagged the duplicate ways.There are double tracks visible for at least some of the way and someone had started aligning the duplicates with the second track, so I wasn't sure if there was a plan or what:https://www.openstreetmap.org/node... |
| stevea | To which someone do you refer? |
| stevea | g246020? |
| maxerickson | Yeah, that's what I meant. |
| maxerickson | Hi Steve, this changeset did indeed introduce quite a few duplicated railway=rail. Maybe you could take some time and delete some of them?I'm deleting a few right now, it's pretty tedious to carefully go through and delete the railway that is not a member of the relation while making sure not to... |
| stevea | Max, I don't know how I can help. It might have been g246020 who did this, and much less likely, it might have been me. I am seriously busy on other tasks this week. Perhaps I could take a look at the relation and tracks this weekend (January 9-10, 2016). I'll try to leave another comment here, ... |
| maxerickson | The ways I have been deleting are (some of) the 'v1' ways listed below. I got here by looking up what changeset they were created in prior to deleting them. There's no question who created them.Anyway, I contacted you based on the presumption that you cared about the relation being sane (I see y... |
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| 22153054 | jremillard | admin_level=4 on https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/187118 ? State parts are not administrative boundaries? |
| stevea | This was an old-fashioned way of tagging way back when (circa 2009 when the CASIL and Santa Cruz County GIS imports happened). I agree with you (now, 2015) that it is incorrect to put admin_level=4 on a State Park and so I have removed that tag. |
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| 30194144 | Minh Nguyen | I undid some of these changes in changeset 30491130. railway=construction construction=tram_stop is a well-used and well-documented way of indicating that a subway station is under construction. The name=* tag is not intended for descriptive text, even in parentheses. |
| stevea | Of course, Minh: thank you for your corrections and especially for documenting here the correct way to tag this so I know how to do this if/as I find such construction in the future. |
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| 29723896 | emacsen | While this information is true (most of the NE corridor tracks) allow for speeds about 120mph, not all do. I know because I was just on Acella a few days ago on this very route and sometimes we were going >100mph, and then in the middle of the journey, we dropped to ~30mph, around bends and popul... |
| emacsen | Steve, you sent me an email, but I want to keep all conversations public. Please specify the source for where you say that these track ways are high speed compatible. Based on my experience, some are and some aren't. |
| emacsen | In addition to Amtrak, you're also saying that some Metro-North rails are high speed. Please tell me where you can tell which rails are being replaced with high speed capable rails, because I haven't heard that they've completed that renovation universally. In other words. So what is your source? |
| stevea | Hello Serge:The "infrastructure on rail" tag of "highspeed=yes" is documented as widely used on the OpenRailwayMap (ORM) wiki here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging#Tracks It says "Is this line a high-speed line (with permissible speeds greater... |
| emacsen | Steve,I'd request that you please stick to the discussion at hand, which is the issue of the track data.I'd also ask that you please keep a civil tone and not use condescending language, such as telling someone to "relax".To the substance of your email, as you say, the tag is f... |
| stevea | Serge, the discussion at hand is: Amtrak says Acela uses the Northeast Corridor. Amtrak says Acela is highspeed. I have put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4: the tracks of the NEC are highspeed, because they support highspeed service, exactly as the tag is documented.There are different t... |
| stevea | Addressing Serge's specific request to "correct (my) tagging on...which track segments are high speed and which aren't," I continue to assert that ALL of the track segments of NEC are high speed. Again, this particular tag (highspeed=yes) is a correct answer to the semantic of the tag: &... |
| RussNelson | Serge, Amtrak says that it's a high speed route, so ... it IS a high speed route. If you know how Amtrak signs the NEC speeds, you should tell the rest of us, because I don't know. |
| emacsen | Russ, the issue is that individual tracks are tagged as high speed, not a single route. That indicates to me that the tracks must therefore be high speed capable, and many are not. |
| stevea | Serge, individual tracks are tagged this way because that is how the tag is documented: it means the LINE of which this rail segment is a member is capable of supporting high speed route=train service. So, it is correct. (I repeat myself here, not a good sign).Are there individual track segme... |
| emacsen | Steve, if you want a route to have a specific tag, that's fine, use a relation and apply the tag to that route as a whole.By tagging each way, you are saying "This track is high speed capable", which isn't true for some of these ways. I don't know which tracks are high speed capable an... |
| pnorman | That Amtrak wants to upgrade the track makes it pretty clear to me that not all of it is high speed, and the limit on portions is not high speed. The UK is probably the best place to look for how this is tagged, as there's plenty of segments of track which are not high speed capable.If there is ... |
| woodpeck | Wikipedia says that "Much of the [NEC] is built for speeds higher than the 79 mph (127 km/h) allowed on many U.S. tracks." - this implies that some of the NEC is not usable at high speed. I wonder how, in SteveA's understanding, these should be tagged? Surely it must be possible ... |
| stevea | To Paul's comment: Amtrak's "upgrades" are intended to make an already-exists high speed line into an EVEN HIGHER speed line.To Frederick's comments: a "more correct" way to capture that certain segments of rail have a limiting speed is with a maxspeed tag. I welcome these... |
| Nakaner | Up to now, there has not been reached any consensus among the railway mappers where to tag highspeed=yes and where not. There is one debate what the minimum speed should be (> 160 km/h, >= 160 km/h oder >= 200 km/h) or if there should be any world-wide minimum speed. For comparison, althoug... |
| stevea | And there you have it from one of the authors (and a true rail expert from an OSM tagging perspective): "there has not been reached any consensus." What this says to me is that we have a bit of a tempest in a teapot here. Especially as other lines (in Europe, Asia) are tagged as I have ... |
| emacsen | > signifying that track segment is part of a high speed line.There's no evidence of that from what I read.> To show my continuing good faith and hopefully to assuage the situation somewhatWhy don't you just do what everyone can agree is correct, and tag the route, rather than the i... |
| stevea | The route (Acela Express, route=train) already is marked high speed, with the service=high_speed tag. This is precisely how ORM tagging instructions say it should be done. The tag is not applied (again, exactly as instructed) to the route=railway (NEC) relation. This is because ORM's tagging sect... |
| woodpeck | What is the practical use of a railway track marked highspeed=yes when this duplicates information from a relation? Is OpenRailwayMap unable to make the link between the relation and the track? -- Your maxspeed argument misses the point. If a road is tagged maxspeed=65 then I can legally go at 65 un... |
| stevea | Yes, as Nakaner (and ORM tagging) document, ORM truly IS unable to "make the link between" (render) the relation, UNLESS the track is so tagged.AGAIN, (I repeat) AS IT IS DOCUMENTED, the "highspeed=yes" tag literally means: "Is this line a high-speed line?" Emphas... |
| Nakaner | I suggest following temporary compromise between you as long as there has been no consensus about highspeed=yes found: highspeed=yes may only be tagged on those tracks which can be used with a speed greater than 100 mph (160 km/h). The usage of highspeed=yes on relations is not affected by this comp... |
| Nakaner | I think that argueing here a longer time will not lead us to a consensus. It will only cost valueable time of each of us. Please continue this debate either at ORM or Tagging mailing list. (Tagging is suitable in this case because it is not a topic where people have to have much knowledge about sign... |
| stevea | It isn't too far a stretch to say NEC is "somewhere between orange and red." Subtle, huh, yeah, I know. As we best know how to tag. |
| stevea | In changeset 30077144, I have deprecated the highspeed=yes tags from all NEC segments. However, previous changesets have set maxspeed= tags. As a net result, on segments where maxspeed>=160, highspeed=yes is "back" to being set. These segments include the great majority of the NEC, a... |
| stevea | OpenRailwayMap's Infrastructure and Maxspeed styles now render these changes accurately. I consider this resolved. |
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| 29739088 | emacsen | This is another changeset with a source that doesn't really make sense to me. Where is the source for these changesets? Is there a URL or other public source? |
| stevea | OK, Caltrain publishes web pages and printed schedules that say Gilroy is a station on the Baby Bullet line.If you would like one, here it is: http://www.caltrain.com/schedules/weekdaytimetable.htmlIf you would like me to endeavor to be quite exact with web links and exact publication names... |
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| 28194788 | Nakaner | Is "(proposed)" really part of the name? It should be tagged proposed:railway=station + name=Sonoma County Airport. |
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| 28241366 | Nakaner | "Union Pacific Railroad" is not the name of the railway line, it is the operator, isn't it? That's why I think that name=Union Pacific Railroad should be moved to operator=Union Pacific Railroad. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/213371633Best regards, Michael (one of the OpenRailwayMap ... |